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Conscription ends in Germany

menareangrynow

July 5, 2011

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Title	Conscription ends in Germany
Author	menareangrynow
Upvotes	8
Comments	18
Date	July 5, 2011 9:22 PM UTC (15 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/ihivp/conscription_ends_in_germany/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/conscription-ends-in-germany.1037727 https://theredarchive.com/post/1037727

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[–]Tagedieb 2 points3 points4 points 15 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This is mostly correct. But:

the amount of time to serve steadily decreased to 6 months in the end. It still meant a wasted year, because most university programs only allow new students once a year. The same is true for most other forms of education.
In the last years not everyone was required to serve. They randomly picked the amount of people they wanted to have.
If you object (like I did) you could serve for Zivildienst, but you had to serve one or two months longer.
Conscription is still in the basic law (which is kind of the German constitution), but the government voluntarily gives up its right to pull people into the army. I can imagine if a war would start in Germany, then they maybe would change it back. But since the chance of that happening it close to zero and the German army (like all western armies) more seems to serve the purpose of solving the problems of other countries/people and/or increase western influence around the world, I don't see that happening anytime soon.

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And what employer would hire someone because they were a soldier?

Quite a few, based on what I heard during my time there, if time in the military was combined with a university degree, especially amongst the more traditional companies. The purported advantages are that military training prepares people for operating in the strict hierarchical structures in those companies, teaches discipline about getting a job done regardless of personal opinion about it and similar compliance related matters (whether or not that's a good thing is a separate discussion).

Also keep in mind that until a few years ago university in Germany was not a strictly fixed-time thing; there were "expected" or "guideline" times it would take a student to complete a course, but it was far from unheard of to go over or under; as such, losing a year before university was not a major deal breaker.

Having said all that, it's great this has ended. Unprovoked forced labour is hardly something a modern country should support regardless of how great it sounds on paper.

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