Consent Explained With Tea. Thoughts?

Mitthrawnuruodo1337 · 2016-03-06T06:49:51+00:00

So if I make a cup of tea, and hold it out to them but don't say anything, and they smile and take it, but don't say anything... what then? What if they are drunk but I'm not sure how much because I am too, and they say they do want the cup of tea? What if the person is too young to drink tea, but tells me they are older? What if says they want tea, but half-way through drinking the cup changes their mind but doesn't say anything? What if they say they want tea but then later tell the police they never did? How do I handle those situations? See, there has never been any controversy over consent for people who say no or who are completely passed out. Rapists who claim that they were unaware of consent in these situations are lying or mentally deranged. But there is still controversy on where consent is in legitimate dispute, and how we handle such cases.

The issue with consent in the law is when things are not clear, ergo a video which claims they are always in fact clear is making a strawman argument. This is actually a very important point. By making consent seem easy and obvious, people who make videos like this are generally intending to assert that those of us who say consent can be complicated are dumb or covering for the aforementioned liars. We are not. We are pointing to cases like this one or this one or this kind of nonsense (and that's just a quick selection from a perusal of ones linked here in the last day or so) where consent is a sexist tool to make men the badguys even when the average person would say it was fine. But because consent is "simple" when it is disputed it turns into cases like this or law proposals like this.

mochacola · 2016-03-06T06:21:58+00:00

Great video. They should make this mandatory video lesson to convicted rapists in prison. That'll ensure those criminals understand consent so they won't reoffend.

zulu127 · 2016-03-06T12:27:14+00:00

Consent was not given to add milk to that tea...see how tricky consent can be? The writers assumed that milk was a part of tea drinking and doing so without consent is teaful assault.

questionnmark · 2016-03-06T19:38:49+00:00

This is a terrible video. It would only work if both sexes were rational and sexual communication was verbal. There is also no regret asymmetry in drinking tea, people don't get angry if you drink someone else's tea, or feel like they will be judged for drinking tea too often with too many people. In addition to this if you feel pressured to drink tea when you don't want it you're not going to get deeply upset, fall into a deep depression and commit suicide -- because if you're that much of a snowflake then you would have done it already.

Sasha_ · 2016-03-06T20:42:30+00:00

So if I make someone a cup of tea, what happens when nine months latter they come back and demand I buy a meal for them every day for the next 16 years?

The_Beardy_Man · 2016-03-07T02:35:43+00:00

I find the use of tea to illustrate consent to be quite ironic.

Title	Consent Explained With Tea. Thoughts?
Author	macsenscam
Upvotes	0
Comments	13
Date	March 6, 2016 6:09 AM UTC (10 years ago)
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