Debates about the "wage gap".

rapiertwit · 2012-12-14T11:46:52+00:00

There is absolutely a social pressure for women to be primary caregivers to children. And the reverse pressure on men to be the resource provider and not the caregiver. As Farrell said in his book, we need to stop stigmatizing male parenting in order to finish the job of equalizing the sexes at work.

But bringing this up in discussions about the wage gap is a slithery move, because the wage gap is supposed to be about employers discriminating against equally qualified and dedicated workers and paying the ones with dicks more money for the same work.

hardwarequestions · 2012-12-14T08:15:28+00:00

Tell them you think they're being incredibly sexist by suggesting grown women are so easily moved by peer pressure and they're denying women have their own agency.

And to go fuck themselves for being a whiny cunt.

2012-12-14T08:12:25+00:00

they are just being influenced by a society which tells them that they should only stay home and raise children.

You mean the same society that gives them paid maternity leave so they can voluntarily be with their newborn child for a short period of time before returning to work, rather than send them home for good for getting knocked up?

themountaingoat · 2012-12-14T11:01:46+00:00

The first point to make is that no-one has even really given anything like good evidence that women make different choices regarding work due to social pressure.

Also mention that women are not at a disadvantage due to the wage gap. Getting paid less for choosing to work less is not an objectively worse choices that women suffer from by taking. Each choice in each case has advantages and disadvantages, so even if women's choices are not free they are not victims.

Finally bring up that if we apply the same logic to all the other factors that cause the wage gap we should fix those too, and they are all disadvantages for men. The hours worked gap (men are forced by social pressure into working longer hours), the benefits gap, the commute time gap and so on. Really we should be addressing these issues by doing things like taking the legal pressure off men to work so long when they need to pay child support.

Deansdale · 2012-12-14T09:30:59+00:00

Like most feminist claims this is a laughably blatant lie. In the modern anglosphere if there is any pressure on women it's trying to force them to work. In the USA there are more women working than men for f's sake. There are tons of government programs helping women to secure jobs in the US, Canada, Australia and the EU, while no similar genderspecific programs exist for men.

Also, "societal influence" is the go-to BS reasoning for feminists when they have nothing else up their sleeves. As Hardware pointed out in another comment: grown people have their own agency. Stop pretending there are patriarchs behind you with a gun pointed at your head, forcing you to do things you don't want to do. If you choose flexible working time or refuse to do overtime that's your choice, not society's.

rightsbot · 2012-12-14T07:40:18+00:00

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Title	Debates about the "wage gap".
Author	MiniRipperton
Upvotes	3
Comments	8
Date	December 14, 2012 7:38 AM UTC (13 years ago)
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