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Despite the misconception, prostate cancer is actually very deadly, and the cancer a non-smoking man in the US is most likely to die from

Abigale_Munroe

May 30, 2022
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Title Despite the misconception, prostate cancer is actually very deadly, and the cancer a non-smoking man in the US is most likely to die from
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Abigale_Munroe

Upvotes 192
Comments 10
Date May 30, 2022 8:47 AM UTC
(4 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/v0vtkq/despite_the_misconception_prostate_cancer_is/
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It is a common misconception that prostate cancer isn't very deadly. In reality, it's one of the deadliest- a breakdown

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[–]Abigale_Munroe[S] 20 points21 points22 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

So there is a dangerous (and possibly misandrist) myth that men don't die OF prostate cancer, they die WITH it

This is a conception. The 99% survival rate comes from the very high prevalence of benign cases, that "water down" the perceived mortality rate. Starting at at 60, prostate cancer is one of the most deadly cancers for men in terms of total number of deaths.

Think of it this way:

10% of 100 is 10.

5% of 1000 is 50

Even then 10% is "more" than 5%, you can that 50 is more than 10. This is how prostate cancer survival v actual deaths works.

[–]OldEgalitarianMRA 27 points28 points29 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I am a retired prostate cancer doctor and there are different grades of prostate cancer with enormously different outcomes.

Two friends of mine, both 62, just got prostate cancer and illustrate the two types.

One friend had an elevated PSA over 10 so underwent biopsy. It was negative and MRI showed no tumor. They did "watchful waiting" and measured his PSA in 6 months. It was even more elevated so they did a special PSA test to show if a tumor was likely to be the "bad" kind you die of if not treated or the more "good" kind that rarely kills you. It revealed his cancer, if he has one, is the good kind.

They waited and on another 6 month follow up a tumor was found on MRI, very small, and extensive biopsies were performed.

It showed in one of 12 biopsies a small cancer that was very low grade.

In researching this about 15% of cases of prostate cancer are low grade with PSA under 10 and a small tumor and can be watched with frequent PSA, MRI and biopsy.

About half go on to prostatectomy or radiation therapy due to the tumor growing or PSA becoming more elevated over time.

So only 7.5% of people die with their prostate cancer.

My other friend had the more common, 85%, high grade type. The tumor was big and occupied half the prostate gland. It was palpable on rectal exam and the PSA was over 10.

He had to have a robotically assisted radical prostectomy with lymph node dissection and even then he has a 30% chance of dying from his cancer.

Without therapy, which is what happens to the majority of men who don't go for PSA screening his likelihood of dying from his cancer is 100% (not counting accidents, etc.)

When they say men die with their cancer they know it's a zero sum game with only so much money for cancer research and care and if prostate get's money that's all going to men so they try to limit that. When I was working their were numerous special grants for breast cancer research and care. We need that for prostate cancer.

[–]Handle-me-timber 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. I’m just so confused as to why this is dismissed as a non issue. All the additives across all the society that lower testosterone do indirectly cause this disease too. It’s like feminists see a man dying of cancer as fulfilling his true purpose of giving all his money and assets to his wife and kids.

[–]rm-rd 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's kind of like Covid. You can die with it, or of it, or be OK and the high prevalence makes it quite a high risk even if it's not the worst thing to get.

[–]Leading_Direction_84 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My neighbor got cancer a few years ago and later died. If I'm not mistaken, it was prostate cancer. He was a super active guy, biking all the time. Within a year, he couldn't bike anymore.

[–]GivePuppiesBazookas 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Prostate cancer and breast cancer (m/w) are basically tied for first most common and deadly cancer, lung is 3rd. Of these 3, only one affects just one gender, prostate of course. But when you remember only half of people have a prostate, increasing the rate, prostate cancer is about 50% more common than any other cancer

https://www.cancer.gov/types/common-cancers

Here is where is gets REALLY bad... for men and men only.

https://jnccn.org/view/journals/jnccn/17/7/article-p849.xml#:~:text=Cancers%20with%20the%20largest%20revenue,incidence%2C%20mortality%2C%20and%20PYLL.

Breast cancer is by far and away the most funded at 102 grants and a little over 100M in funding. Lung is HALF of that with 74 grants at 50M. Prostate is at 53 grants totaling 53M.

So a cancer that does in fact primarily effect women, yet some men, get more funding than the cancer tied at 1 and the number 3 cancer COMBINED. So yes, we fucking haaaaate women in the US, so much so we fund a cancer that mainly effects them to a degree that's so stark it almost encompasses the totals of every other funded cancer combined. Yet prostate cancer is neck in neck in terms of cases and death rate... tell me again how we favor men so much when there is a male specific cancer that is funded at 10% of a cancer of essentially equal cases and deaths?

[–]runner557 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This issue is the aggressiveness. Vast majority of time, prostate cancer is slow-growing. It will take 10+ years on average for the tumor to spread beyond the prostate to a deadly stage. This is why the 5-year survival rate is extremely high with prostate cancer. A man that keeps up with his screenings will very likely discover the cancer in an early stage. At that point a decision needs to be made...either treatment, remove the prostate, or watch it. Sometimes the wrong decision is made. Sometimes he's told its not aggressive and doesn't keep up with watching it and lets it go. It's a double edged sword. Time gives you the chance to do different things and map out a strategy. However, time also gives a false sense of security that its not serious.

Also, some doctors are not very good. They may miss tumors or dismiss things they shouldnt be. So always be willing to seek other opinions.

Now if a man doesn't do any screenings, by the time symptoms show up, it's usually pretty advanced. The man himself shares some blame in that situation. You can't catch ANY cancer early if you refuse to look for it. Cancer will usually not show symptoms until it's bad.

Breast cancer in comparison tends to be far more aggressive. It tends to spread much more quickly. In fact, certain types will have already spread by the time its found.

[–]OldEgalitarianMRA 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Death rates from prostate and breast cancer are very similar from the article attached.

I suppose rad fems have found a new way to discriminate against men after men noticed that in the UK prostate cancer kills more men than breast cancer kills women.

And because breast cancer occurs ten years earlier than prostate cancer, breast cancer starts to rise in the early 50's, men in the 60's, feminists argue again it should get more funding...women special, men not.

IT HAS been widely reported in the British press that the number of men dying from prostate cancer has overtaken female deaths from breast cancer for the first time. The figures, relating to 2015, show that across Britain there were 11,819 deaths from prostate cancer, compared with 11,442 female deaths from breast cancer. Some have interpreted the figures as evidence of “bias against men”, as the front page of the put it.

Yet this is only half the story. A simple death count does not really get at the destructive impact of a disease. A better measure is “years of life lost”, which compares the age at which someone dies from a disease to the age at which they would be expected to die. Men typically die of prostate cancer at an older age than women die of breast cancer. Using official data, we estimated the years of life lost, for both cancers, in England. This involved estimating how many people died of each disease at each age group, then subtracting that from the life expectancy in England (around 80). Breast cancer, it appears, is far more destructive.

Destructive to women.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/02/02/breast-cancer-is-far-more-destructive-than-prostate-cancer

As far as 5 year survival, treated breast cancer that is stage I, found before it spread is 99% and prostate cancer is nearly 100% so no significant difference in 5 year survival between localized breast cancer and prostate cancer, treated.

https://www.cancer.net/cancer-types/prostate-cancer/statistics

https://www.cancer.org/cancer/breast-cancer/understanding-a-breast-cancer-diagnosis/breast-cancer-survival-rates.html

And the median age of diagnosis of breast cancer is 63. From the reference above the median age of prostate cancer diagnosis is 66.

https://www.komen.org/breast-cancer/risk-factor/age/#:~:text=Age%20at%20diagnosis,varies%20by%20race%20and%20ethnicity.

[–]GivePuppiesBazookas 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You can also double the numbers for prostate cancer as it only effects half the population. When something is at the same rate with half the opportunity, that should be raising flags left and right.

[–]TendieDinner777 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, but…breasts anyone? They’re connected to women…

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