Reminder, when the Guardian published an article calling for exemption from prison for women for almost all cases, even murder.

Abigale_Munroe · 2022-05-25T14:48:30+00:00

This was a very scary article, offering a glimpse of how bad feminism has the potential to be. A mainstream source offering the "solution" of women being highly exempt from prison for most crimes, possibly even murder. Ideas like this need to be tracked and resisted fiercely.

gratis_eekhoorn · 2022-05-25T14:57:24+00:00

> There are four major differences between male and female offenders. First, women are much less likely to reoffend than men.

> Their recidivism levels are at least 10% lower in both the US and Australia.

feminist academicism in a nutshell

gratis_eekhoorn · 2022-05-25T15:13:41+00:00

> Women do of course commit homicide offences, but nearly always the victim is a relative and the crime was committed against the backdrop of an abusive relationship or depressive mindset. All homicides are heinous crimes but the types of homicides committed by women rarely involve random victims and hence do not engender community fear.

Or you know they claim their victim to be abusive to get sympathy and lower sentences.

> The differences are so stark that not only should women be treated more leniently because they commit less serious crime but they should also be treated more leniently when they commit the same crime as a man.

Casually advocating for textbook legal privilege.

> Third, society suffers more when we remove a female from it and place her behind a prison wall. More than 50% of incarcerated women are single parents and even in two-parent households, female prisoners typically assume the main child nurturing role. In relation to non-parental dependency, the majority of carers (60%) are females.

Is it better to keep female criminals within society? Is better to let female criminals raise children? Keep that in mind that if a woman is behind bars she commited a much more serious crime than your average man in prison considering how men are 2 times more likely to go to prison for the same crime.

> Finally, women are often less culpable when they commit crime. There is a profoundly devastating link between child sexual and violent victimisation and female offending. US studies show that 23% to 37% of female prisoners reported that they had been physically or sexually abused prior to the age of 18. The rate is even higher in Australia. Incarcerating females is often simply a lamentable case of victimising the victimised.

Would you mind telling us the same statistics for male criminals The Guardian?

> The sentencing system should be reformed radically to deal more fairly with female offending. The starting position is that no female offender should be imprisoned. In relation to most forms of crime, they should be dealt with by way of intermediate sanctions including the greater use of electronic monitoring.

> In the rare instances that women commit heinous crimes, community protection and the need to impose proportionate penalties requires a prison term but this should be the exception, not the increasing norm. The exception is so rare that the utopia of closing prisons would readily become a reality.

> Professor Mirko Bagaric, is the Director of the Centre for Evidence-Based Sentencing at Deakin University, Melbourne.

DekajaSukunda · 2022-05-25T15:48:35+00:00

Moreover, when it comes to sexual offences, rounded off to the nearest whole number, women constitute 0% of all offenders – that’s right, zero.

I love how feminists treat courts and the law as either infallible or irredeemably corrupt depending on what they are trying to argue.

FightOrFreight · 2022-05-25T15:21:04+00:00

"Women almost never scare us; commit random acts of serious violence; violate our sexual integrity; or form organised crime networks and yet their prisons numbers are now the highest in recorded history."

What kind of absolutely chickenshit upbringing/education would lead someone to think this sentence makes any sense at all? Seriously, who teaches these people how to think?

It doesn't matter if 5 women per billion commit crimes. If that number has historically been 1 woman per billion, it makes perfect sense for their incarceration rate to shoot up through the roof, and you REALLY shouldn't be introducing that fact with the word "yet."

TintelFroot · 2022-05-25T15:35:20+00:00

There already a more lenient court system in most countries, it's usually called something like "childrens court".

This "Professor" is literally arguing we should treat all women like children... How can someone like that even claim themselves to be progressive?

froupapourf · 2022-05-25T15:08:15+00:00

I think I've read enough bullshit for today.

34T_y3r_v3ggi3s · 2022-05-25T16:32:38+00:00

I couldn't even get past this sicko's first paragraph. The women are wonderful effect if there ever was one. The assumption that women never rape or murder or commit crime. What kind of world does this crazed feminazi live in?

Man_of_culture_112 · 2022-05-25T16:37:11+00:00

This article is why I am glad feminists are unpopular in my country.

34T_y3r_v3ggi3s · 2022-05-25T16:55:01+00:00

Women almost never scare us; commit random acts of serious violence; violate our sexual integrity; or form organised crime networks and yet their prisons numbers are now the highest in recorded history.

I guess this recent case was just a mass hallucination then?

Arietis1461 · 2022-05-25T21:32:44+00:00

Weirdly, there are some good points in there, such as abuse in childhood potentially resulting in criminal behavior years later.

What's beyond me is why the author is applying them to an arbitrary group such as women instead of everyone in general, unless her worldview is rotten with misandry. Would probably be that, unless it's the strangest troll I've ever seen from a news source like this.

az226 · 2022-05-25T20:35:09+00:00

“The sentencing system should be reformed radically to deal more fairly with female offending. The starting position is that no female offender should be imprisoned”

Certainly the author must be trolling. Courts are already much more favorable to women and fairly would make it lawless for them. How is this real life.

th3empirial · 2022-05-25T17:15:17+00:00

What about a trans woman that kills a woman? Also no jail according to this author? Would be a bold stance either way

WeEatBabies · 2022-05-25T21:26:19+00:00

In the U.K. they are pushing it actively :

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/lavinia-woodward-stab-boyfriend-no-jail-prison-sentence-oxford-medical-student-too-clever-talent-judge-a7967971.html

In Australia as well :

https://nypost.com/2019/05/09/australian-woman-stabs-man-with-stiletto-in-drunken-assault/ And she didn't even get a criminal record. FTFA : "Fry pleaded guilty to the assault last week and escaped with no conviction and a $174 fine."

Feminism : A set of rules for you, a different set of rules for me!

griii2 · 2022-05-26T11:36:20+00:00

> Women almost never [...] form organised crime networks

Yet every mafioso who ever lived had a wife and a harem of lovers. Sounds to me like women do not despise organised crime, they just prefer bigger fools to do the dirty work.

Optimal_Bison_7867 · 2022-05-25T18:13:49+00:00

The Guardian has some very unpleasant opinion pieces in regards to blatant misandry. I very quickly stopped reading a few years ago because of that.

Punder_man · 2022-05-26T06:15:12+00:00

I remember seeing this article a few years ago..
The irony here is that many of the arguments made in this article apply to men too but treating men equally goes against the narrative so we can't have that...

It just irks me that women are already essentially a protected class when it comes to the justice system that adding further protections like not sending them to jail at all is just asinine..
Not only that but this article is on a slippery slope on trying to make it seem as though women are outright incapable of being just as violent or committing the same crimes men do.

Yes, the number of women going to jail IS increasing.. but that still pails in comparison to the number of men whom are sent to jail. One argument in particular from the article which annoys me is:

Third, society suffers more when we remove a female from it and place her behind a prison wall. More than 50% of incarcerated women are single parents and even in two-parent households, female prisoners typically assume the main child nurturing role. In relation to non-parental dependency, the majority of carers (60%) are females.

And how often is it that a man goes to jail leaving the mother and children to fend for themselves with no source of income?
Does that not also cause issues / harm?
For that matter, how many men are in jail because they flat out COULD NOT keep up with their court mandated child support because they lost their job, had a work place injury etc?

Nope! we have to focus on how much worse it is for women..
In the previous paragraph above the one I quoted the author mentions how women have higher rates of mental illness (but doesn't seem to have any sources or stats to back that up) but once again this also ignores the fact that men also suffer from mental illnesses which can also be exacerbated by being imprisoned.. but once again caring about men goes against the narrative of today's society so we can't have that..

I also love how at the end the author tries to justify everything by claiming it would also benefit men in some sort of trickle down equality when those of us living in reality know exactly what will happen if this comes to pass

Women will be able to get away with literally any crime risk free because they know they won't be sent to jail where as men will STILL be carted off to jail en mass because that's the status quo.

I sure do love how 'equality' looks in today's society... /S

matrixislife · 2022-05-25T15:47:51+00:00

At the risk of pissing a load of people off, there's a grain of sense in all this. Obviously the "we're women so we don't go to jail" bit is ridiculous. However, the rate of incarceration for non-violent offences is way too high, that should be reserved for people unwilling to follow the directions of the court. eg: fined for speeding>doesn't pay>goes to court>pay it or jail>doesn't pay>goes to jail.

Otherwise, non-violent offences should not involve jail time. I am of course talking for both men and women here, not just women. Drug use offences should not involve jail. Supplying drugs, that's debatable. In general, if an offense does not involve causing harm to someone else, no jail time.

BrotToast263 · 2024-01-22T10:02:41+00:00

Moreover, when it comes to sexual offences, rounded off to the nearest whole number, women constitute 0% of all offenders – that’s right, zero. The crimes they most commonly commit are drug and property offences.

oh yes, because all the female teachers grooming their male students aren't rapists, they are simply having "prohibited sexual intercourse" or whatever the fuck the media calls it these days

Title	Reminder, when the Guardian published an article calling for exemption from prison for women for almost all cases, even murder.
Author	Abigale_Munroe
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Date	May 25, 2022 2:47 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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