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Don’t be fooled

jessi387 · 2024-02-27T07:14:43+00:00

Don't let a few posts convince you that colleges are actually trying to improve things for boys and university. I attended a class this semester in...

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February 27, 2024

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Title	Don’t be fooled
Author	jessi387
Upvotes	119
Comments	23
Date	February 27, 2024 7:14 AM UTC (2 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1b15v0k/dont_be_fooled/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/dont-be-fooled.1246549 https://theredarchive.com/post/1246549

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Exactly! "The wage gap is real! And until women are given the same outcome as their male colleagues, it's not equal!"

Conviently fails to mention that women are not working near as much as the men."

The goal posts have moved. These "systems of oppression" have been intentionally been planted in arbitrary space. Long since have most of the unjust laws been eradicated or changed to reflect equal opportunity for everyone. So why have all of them not been changed yet? Simply because it's not a law deemed worthy of change in the eyes of the Feminist machine. After seeing their great success in the changing of unjust laws in the name of equal opportunity, perhaps they weren't happy with actually having to do equal work for equal outcome. Instead of leveling the playing field, the movement intends to tip the balance in their favor by defining equity as equality. They no longer attempt to show you exactly where exactly the law or system is unjust and oppressive, except in the outcome. Obviously it would not be in their favor. Supporting and maintaining equal outcome is a great way to disincentivize people from working more to earn more by interpreting the difference in earnings as an indication of oppression instead of the sensical, mathematical outcome that it is. The complete total of wages earned, by both men and women, is the grand sum of a wide range range of singular contractorial agreements between employer and employee that determine the monetary value of the service provided.

How do we know that employers are not paying women less than men per dollar earned?

As ridiculous as this discriminatory wage conglomerate sounds on the societal level, it's an even unliklier narrative when it comes to business principles.

Understanding that people's time and money are the most valuable commodities in the economy, It is in everyones best interest to take great care when accurately determining the value of their commodities in order to maximize outcome.

The negotiated agreement between both parties for the transfer goods and services is enough to dissolve the "unfair wage gap" theory. It was willfully agreed that your service was worth a certain monetary value.

If it were truly a discriminatory wage gap, wouldn't employers be hiring women considerably more than their men counterparts? Paying them less for the same amount of work would be more profitable. You wouldn't even want to hire a man if you had to pay him more.

These arbitrary battles and injustices sound really nice on the surface, especially to people who don't follow along. Its just a shame that there are clearly still written laws that are unjust towards men, and yet, feminism ignores it. I will help change an unjust or unequal law any day, but I will not entertain these oppression witch hunts that are fueled by greed and entitlement.

They don't want equality. They want it all without giving it all. They've been used to getting an advantage to catch up society. That's not equal to men, or women.

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Very interesting thing to joke about buddy. All you said was "no" so there wasn't much room for me to believe it was a joke. Bro women weren't even allowed to have credit cards until the 70s, womens rights arent a straight forward path, there is lots of systemic issues in place for us because the system is not for us. Women were literally the property of their father and then husband, and the system was designed so that was the only way for a woman to survive, to depend on a man. We are very different from men yet we can still thrive in a mans world. Women biologically need more sleep, women have children and need medical assistance and time off of work. The entire 40hr work week is in favour of the man and his 24hr hormone clock rather than a woman's monthly hormones. We still do it though, women have still made leaps and bounds from where we were. Not because it was given to us but because we took it. Your issues with women i think go alot deeper than taxes, but thats just my theory🤷🏻‍♀️

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Thank you for asking for clarification. I apologize for not providing a full response previously.

I'm not an attorney and this is not legal advice.

Document instances of bias. Maintain excellent notes.

Hostile Environment

Hostile Environment is defined as the following by Title IX:

A situation of discriminatory or sexual nature that has occurred and created a adverse setting

An intimidating or offensive environment that causes a person to be fearful

A setting that denies, limits, or interferes with a person's ability to participate in or benefit from a program, activity, or job

Examples

Bullying, abusive or intimidating comments and actions

Intimidating or offensive comments that alter the conditions of a person's work, classroom, team, or program environment

Continual offensive comments or surroundings of a discriminatory or sexual nature

https://www.venturacollege.edu/college-information/about-ventura-college/title-ix/definitions

Taking Legal Action Under Title IX

Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972 protects people from discrimination based on sex in education programs or activities which receive federal financial assistance. Taking legal action under Title IX can be a powerful way to help yourself and other students.

The below resources are intended to provide information about how to take legal action and the consequences that could result.

https://www.knowyourix.org/legal-action/taking-legal-action-title-ix/

Did you rely on publications which falsely claimed you would be a welcome part of a diverse student body? That you would be taught in a friendly atmosphere? That your contributions would be welcome or your academic rights to freedom of expression would be protected?

Possible:

Fraud

Fraud is both a civil tort and criminal wrong.

In civil litigation, allegations of fraud might be based on a misrepresentation of fact that was either intentional or negligent. For a statement to be an intentional misrepresentation, the person who made it must either have known the statement was false or been as to its truth. The speaker must have also intended that the person to whom the statement was made would rely on it. The hearer must then have reasonably relied on the promise and also been harmed because of that reliance.

https://www.law.cornell.efdu/wex/fraud

Possible cause for a federal civil rights action or lawsuit (normally against the municipality or state) under:

42 U.S. Code § 1983 - Civil action for deprivation of rights

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/1983

US courts provide forms:

Complaint for Violation of Civil Rights (Non-Prisoner)

https://www.uscourts.gov/forms/pro-se-forms/complaint-violation-civil-rights-non-prisoner

Is this happening to many students?

Possible basis of a class action lawsuit for similar situated people:

WHAT ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF CLASS-ACTION LAWSUITS?

There are many cases and issues that can be brought as class-action lawsuits. Often, class actions fall into one of the following categories:

...

Consumer: These class actions hold accountable business entities who engage in systematic and fraudulent or illegal business practices that scam or harm the consumer. Examples include antitrust cases like price-fixing, market allocation agreements and monopolistic schemes.

If students are targeted, employees are likely targeted as well:

Employment: Employees who have been discriminated against, employees with immigrant worker issues, workers who have hour and wage issues and employees who have on-the-job injuries or suffer because of employer safety violations can bring class-action lawsuits against employers.

https://www.hbsslaw.com/about/what-is-a-class-action-lawsuit

CIVIL RIGHTS CLASS ACTIONS:

A SINGULARLY EFFECTIVE TOOL TO COMBAT DISCRIMINATION

For over 50 years, class actions have been among the most powerful tools to secure civil rights in America. Brown v. Board of Education, 1 which outlawed school segregation and set the stage for the entire civil rights movement, was a class action lawsuit. More recent examples include the case portrayed in the Hollywood movie “North Country,” based on the case Jenson v. Eveleth Mines and considered to be the first sexual harassment class action lawsuit.

CENTER FOR JUSTICE & DEMOCRACY

https://centerjd.org/system/files/CivilRightsClassActionsF.pdf

Please keep us updated.

I wish you the best of luck in your search for justice.