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False rape accusations take yet another life – national media silent

JohnKimble111

February 16, 2021

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Title	False rape accusations take yet another life – national media silent
Author	JohnKimble111
Upvotes	194
Comments	42
Date	February 16, 2021 5:57 AM UTC (5 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/lkxbbs/false_rape_accusations_take_yet_another_life/
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Look, I completely understand the point you are trying to make... but, that said, this is exactly what should happen here. If you make the claim, it is up to YOU to prove that claim. The presumption of innocence exists because, quite simply, it is the best and most moral way to attaining justice in all circumstances - not to mention that it is the most logical way to getting to truth.

Now, this does not mean that if someone is found not guilty of a crime that they didn't do that crime. There have been plenty of people who have been found not gulity of a crime and actually did it (ie: OJ), this is why people aren't found innocent. At the same time because someone is found not guilty of a crime this doesn't mean that the person making the claim is lying. The same is true for the opposite situation... because someone is found guilty of a crime doesn't mean that they did the crime.

Unfortunately eyewitness testimony, which forms the backbone of the vast majority of rape cases, is seen as one of the weakest forms of evidence there is. It is only deployed to supplement stronger evidence as well as to pull on the heartstrings of the jury. This is because despite eyewitness testimony being seen as concrete evidence it, in fact, is not conrete in the slightest. It is incredibly unreliable and significantly prone to manipulation. When you factor into account the time between the crime having occured and the testimony being taken down / delivered plus all of the witness coaching that goes on in police interview and pre-trial nonsense - this just becomes blatantly clear.

Because the vast majority of rape cases hinge solely upon eyewitness testimony this means that, unfortunately, the vast majority of rape cases are inadmissable. There is simply not enough evidence to go off - the evidence presented is not strong enough to warrant conviction. Which is, I know, heartbreaking - but it is what it is. So, to answer your question, yes if someone comes forward with a rape claim they must provide hard evidence to prove that it occured.

At the end of the day I'd rather guilty people walking free than innocent people serving time for crimes they didn't commit.

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I am male, and have been anti-feminist since the very first week of a class that I took 4 years ago called "gender and sexuality". I had a great high school and college friend, who didn't have a pushy bone in his body, falsely accused of rape. He didn't receive any punishment, thank God, but it changed him. He was never the same since, and I wasn't able to keep him from slowly drifting away in his growing distrust of society.

It's really disheartening to be in an online place where everyone is supposed to approach this issue with a fair analytical mindset, but instead just be called disgusting for trying to come up with a complete solution that gets misinterpreted.

If we can't agree on this issue then I just hope it doesn't get in the way of us coming to an agreement on everything else that's covered by this community.

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No doubt this is how our justice system should work. If the accusation is proven false, then giving a false accuser the same punishment as what the accused would have gotten if the accusation had been proven true is actually a legal principle from the book of Deuteronomy:

15One witness is not enough to convict anyone accused of any crime or offense they may have committed. A matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses. 16If a malicious witness takes the stand to accuse someone of a crime, 17the two people involved in the dispute must stand in the presence of the Lord before the priests and the judges who are in office at the time. 18The judges must make a thorough investigation, and if the witness proves to be a liar, giving false testimony against a fellow Israelite, 19then do to the false witness as that witness intended to do to the other party. You must purge the evil from among you. 20The rest of the people will hear of this and be afraid, and never again will such an evil thing be done among you.

A couple other things:

* Two witnesses are needed for the accusation to even be considered. A witness is any independent source of information, human or not.

* The accuser must take to the stand in order to make an accusation. No hiding behind 'rape shield' laws.

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