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[Forum Review] NeoGaf thread started with a Red Pill review.

Sidney5101

May 3, 2017
12 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1367716
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Title [Forum Review] NeoGaf thread started with a Red Pill review.
Author

Sidney5101

Upvotes 12
Comments 26
Date May 3, 2017 12:09 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/68zxh5/forum_review_neogaf_thread_started_with_a_red/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/forum-review-neogaf-thread-started-with-a-red-pill.923501
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[–]EsraYmssik 13 points14 points15 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

tl;dr "I haven't seen the film, but here's EVERYTHING wrong with it and here's how it promotes rape... oh, and MRAs are women hating MGTOW who want their wives back in the kitchen and PUAs who want to derail FGM by banning circumcision (which is OK because reasons) and Paul Elam said a bad word once (or so I've been told) and hurt my fee-fees."

[–]SchalaZeal01 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They also said MRAs want to prevent women working even though it would solve the custody issue by itself if they were in favor of both working. They repeated the point that stats say there is no custody gap (which is totally wrong, there is a massive one), and tacitly embraced the standard that the primary caregiver pre-divorce should have majority custody post-divorce.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Hey! Not all MGTOWs hate women.. we just looked pragmatically at modern relationships and realized that they are far too risky to be involved in. We decided to never put ourselves in a vulnerable position to be fucked over by a woman or the gynocentric state that enables them..

Ps. Many of us are MGTOW/MRA hybrids.

We fight the good fight and try to raise awareness about men's issues and change the negative cultural attitudes towards men and their problems... But we will never give up our freedom and sovereignty. And we will never put ourselves in a vulnerable position.

They will never take our freedom!

[–]EsraYmssik 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Do a lot of MGTOWs have wives (in or out of the kitchen)? Kinda the whole point of my mockery of NEOGaF's mischaracterisation of the MRM.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol yeah.. All that went right over my head. My bad... Oh well, at least I got to use my "freedom!!" Video clip that I've been waiting to use . :P

[–]EsraYmssik 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Knock yourself out. :D

OTOH https://youtu.be/0zFAvzf0Mv0

[–]_lostdad 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Just had a quick look. So many people discussing a film they haven't seen :-)

[–]Sidney51018 points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Haven't seen, and refuse to see, based on a misguided view.

[–]deathdragon5858 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Wow, that site is full of total morons...... One comment that wasn't completely misinformed in the whole first page

I haven't watched the film yet, but certainly will at some point. I view myself both as a feminist, and, though not a mens' rights activist, someone who is aware of, and who cares about mens rights issues and the issues that affect men specifically. I think your conclusions are broadly correct.

There is a certain arrogance about some feminists, and even main-stream feminism, in its dismissals of mens' rights issues and mens' rights activists. The notion that feminism can fix those issues strikes me as somewhat gross, both because feminism rarely discusses those topics, and because, while feminists no doubt have plenty of useful ideas on how to solve these gender specific issues, they do not have any right to a hegemony over them. The worst thing is that, in a lot of cases, the alienation and demonisation of people in mens rights plays into the hands of the truly despicable, alt-right brigade. By not allowing men to have a legitimate outlet to talk about their issues outside of feminism, feminists, at times, become everything they are supposed to hate. Sadly, I have seen quite a few instances of this behaviour here on GAF.

There's one relatively public instance in UK politics which illustrates precisely the problem. A Labour MP named Jess Phillips was filmed laughing at another MPs suggestion that there should be a debate on men's right, held on International Men's Day, to mimic the debate on women's rights that is held on International Women's Day. The MP making the proposal is, frankly, a rather nasty piece of work called Phillip Davies. Yet, in acting so dismissive of a perfectly reasonable request, who does she actually serve? Not men, and certainly not feminism. She serves the brigade of people who want to act like feminists are Nazis.

(Just read some of the responses in this thread. Sigh. This is precisely what I'm talking about.)

Finished reading the whole thread, I think there are two people in the whole thread that aren't lost causes to the cult. Sad. Was funny how the people in the "I didn't watch" camp assume the feminists interviewd were the ones on the fringe of feminism, hahaha. No one responded to the one guy who posted links to who was actually interviewed.

Sorry about the retard remark, changed it to moron. I try not to use retard as an insult.

[–]fields 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah that one you highlighted was by far the best one. Even if they watched and came away still not convinced I'd definitely respect their opinion.

[–]EricAllonde 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That thread is some serious cancer right there.

[–]hottake_toothache 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

It's good to see people talking, even the dismissive ones.

Their minds may be closed to men's issues now . . . and the next time, and the next time. But over the course of years, it is possible to chip away at bigoted beliefs.

[–]SchalaZeal01 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

They say its fine if people discuss men's rights...without being anti-feminist at all. But they probably don't consider CHS as okay anyway.

[–]hottake_toothache 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

discuss men's rights...without being anti-feminist at all

Ha ha. Those people are like, "Can't you please not mention the elephant in the room?"

[–]SchalaZeal01 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

Oh and the funny thing. All bad feminists who did horrible stuff, prevent Ryerson group from existing, or prevent funds going for male DV shelters, Duluth model, etc...well they're not really feminists. You see, feminism to them is defined as 'being for equality', so anything feminists do that is evil or stupid or not egalitarian, is just impostors.

And they do the opposite for MRAs. You know the reasonable guys who advocate for men? "Obviously not MRA". They define MRAs as being TRP people and Return of King, and anyone who is moderate is 'not a real MRA'.

They did call Warren Farrell as being on the same level of evil as Paul Elam though, so I wonder where they even place the bar to not be evil. Is Ally Fogg pro-feminist enough to not be considered evil, or is the fact that he says feminism do bad sometimes disqualifying him too (and he's way too easy on condemning obviously malicious stuff, and is against Philip Davies)?

[–]hottake_toothache 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

People dismiss the worst people identified with their "team" as irrelevant outliers, meanwhile obsessing over the worst people on the opposing team--because we assume those people represent that team's true character. I wish we could learn to stop that.

[–]SchalaZeal01 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Except we can identify stuff the feminists did that was put in policy or law. VAWA, Duluth, commission on missing and murdered indigenous women (you'd think there's more women missing and murdered given their focus, but you'd be wrong), funds for public DV shelters for men, rape crisis centers for male victims, recognition of female perpetrators.

Even if we don't name people like Koss, we can name stuff like the CDC 'made to penetrate' being explicitly counted outside of rape.

Those things were not mistakes made by fringe extremists, they were done with full government backing, feminist governments often. The thing those people seem to deny is the traditionalism present in feminism that says "women victim, men bad", but it's very much part of the recent wave (in the 1960s it was more "women strong, men bad", so it wasn't all traditionalist at least)

[–]hottake_toothache 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Totally. We should criticize feminism every chance we get. "Equality" to not start with an "f."

A lot of otherwise good people get swept up into feminism because of gynocentrism and male disposability. They dehumanize men and are blind to male struggles.

[–]FissureKing 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No TRUE Scotsman...

[–]Incident-Pit 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

All these expert opinions on the red pill subreddit's MRA credentials and not one of them mentions this place.

Convenient.

[–]3happy5u 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There are a lot of bitter women on that forum, lmao.

[–]BruceCampbell123 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Neogaf is insufferable. They have an entire thread dedicated to "Troupes vs. Women" praising Anita Sarkeesian's perceived and over-embellished grievances in the video game industry.

[+]JustDrinkingOutLoud points 9 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

A- A gaming message board has an "entire" thread dedicated to discussing something that primarily gaming? How Bizarre!
B- I didn't realize Anita Sarkeesian did a series on community theater performers versus women.

[–]SchalaZeal01 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A- A gaming message board has an "entire" thread dedicated to discussing something that discusses gaming? How Bizarre!

They're praising a con artist troll who wants to censor gaming, and who herself has very anti-women ideas, like that controls are 'too hard' for women, or that feminine attributes in games would mean no violence (as this is masculine, you see). More or less pushing the idea that devs should make mostly non-violent games to please female gamers. And we're not talking about games where violence is non-existent or shunned, like puzzles or simulator racing (you could do funny accidents, but you'd lose a lot of time failing the game - Need for Speed can do full-frontal collisions and continue).

So pushing the idea that fighting games, or RPGs, or adventure games with enemies you must destroy or eliminate is somehow uniquely masculine and repulsive to women. While wanting to eliminate any depiction of women as sexy, not just stupid pandering fan service, all of it.

[–]BruceCampbell123 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Okay

[–]Sidney51011 point 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Not a frequenter to the site, Simply popped up in my feed. Thought the review was interesting enough, though was unfortunately not surprised to see how quickly the thread was reduced to name calling and dismissal.

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