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"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. The mediocre mind is incapable of understanding the man who refuses to bow blindly to conventional prejudices and chooses instead to express his opinions courageously and honestly." - Albert Einstein

truthman2000

March 19, 2012

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Title	"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. The mediocre mind is incapable of understanding the man who refuses to bow blindly to conventional prejudices and chooses instead to express his opinions courageously and honestly." - Albert Einstein
Author	truthman2000
Upvotes	29
Comments	31
Date	March 19, 2012 4:27 AM UTC (14 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/r30t4/great_spirits_have_always_encountered_violent/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/great-spirits-have-always-encountered-violent.1025674 https://theredarchive.com/post/1025674

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Hope, or the realization that technology has somewhat changed the game?

It really hasn't. When you understand the how and why of patriarchy, you understand how technology really hasn't changed the game much at all. The pill might have changed some of the details, but it hasn't changed the landscape. People seem to think that it has, and that's because they are looking at the wrong landscape. The question isn't men vs women. The question is society vs society (or even survival vs self-destruction). As soon as you have that frame of reference, your viewpoints on the issues change dramatically.

Bored women is how we got feminism in the first place

Yep. Same as in Rome. Same as in Babylon. Feminism is a by-product of liberalism generated by the apathy generated by a successful society. The problem is that feminism, like multiculturalism, are anchors of a decaying society... there is little ability to reverse them once they've taken hold.

so whatever you think will be the next arrangement, you'd better make some provision for those realities.

Revolt, Expat, Turtle.

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but you're going to have to explain how you get to the second.

I do not believe there is a solution which allows for maintaining suffrage as it currently stands. We either need to remove women's suffrage outright or change to system of suffrage such as landowner-only vote. That's not going to happen without either a revolution or until after the collapse.

Expat and Turtle are individual survival mechanisms

Yes, they are. There are a way of "solving" the problem by either avoiding it (expat) or preparing to deal with it's fallout (turtle). They are individual, because the social-wide solutions are either not within anyone's real control (resurgence of Patriarchal religion) or will cause some level of collapse/is unpopular (Revolt).

How do we "Revolt", according to you?

There are two ways to revolt. The first is the obvious: take up arms and fight for this country. The later is the insidious method: to act in such a way as to accelerate the collapse (consciously). If you do the latter, you better be turtling as well.

Do you have anything to propose but an explosion of violence?

Any way this problem is solved is going to involve a lot of violence. Either it requires violence to revolt or violence during the collapse.

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That's not so bad you see because Jermiah and Demonspawn are to men's rights what radical feminists are to feminism.

We disagree. I don't think you read most of their comments, I think you read something that hurt your feelings and read contents into comments you never actually read or think about.

Think for a moment, have radical feminists been very successful?

Very successful actually. You don't particularly have any clue what you are talking about, do you?

Not only does Ignatiusloyola represent the better MRA

He represents an MRA movement made up of slactivists who will accomplish nothing other than scream "I'm offended" when they see some silly poster or commercial making fun of men. It's shallow, pathetic, and embarrassing. Society views men and women very differently; this why the male-branded feminist movement has failed for the last 20 years, gets made fun of, and gets ignored. It was only when real MRAs started acting like men did anything get accomplished, including anyone actually paying attention to MRA issues.

We won't have any sort of productive dialogue; you likely don't read comments and don't think for yourself. This quote was made for you. Cheers.

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[–]TheRealPariah 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Though of course I'm fairly sure I could best them at it

Good luck. This is an interesting quote and certainly a double-edged one. Perhaps you ought to take that self-endorsed intelligence and wisdom and apply it in the opposite direct. For someone so confident, I don't see you actually engaging any of them; you will of course make some silly rationalization to protect that ego of yours. If anything, it probably applies more to you than Jeremiah or Demonspawn. I'll be waiting for you to match words with action.

In what ways have radical feminists been successful at causing any change?

You assertion is that radical feminism, the kind which has brought rape-"victim" protection laws, VAWA, etc., is not very successful. Good luck with that one.

The Dunning Kruger Effect alive and healthy.

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