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I hope he got a pre-nup

billywms

May 20, 2012

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Title	I hope he got a pre-nup
Author	billywms
Upvotes	6
Comments	17
Date	May 20, 2012 3:33 AM UTC (14 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/tvked/i_hope_he_got_a_prenup/
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Negative. Just like any other contract, pre-nups are entirely effective as long as you aren't a moron.

Reposting what I said in this thread.

Anyone saying prenups are worthless are saying the prenups THEY HAD were worthless. Divorce lawyers and financial consultants advocate to high earning women to get prenups all the time. Surely you realize that they can benefit both parties...

Prenups are invaluable and absolutely useful at protecting both parties WHEN THEY ARE DONE CORRECTLY.

Several elements that go into this are:

You both seek and hire your own attorneys. This means you can't just use the same one. The attorneys are separate and represent each of your needs alone. Both attorneys will draw up the demands and concerns of both, reaching an outcome you both can agree on.

You both understand the provisions clearly. Tangentially related to hiring your own attorneys, and duress/coercion. If she claims she didn't understand what she was signing, some provisions can be thrown out. You can pay for a judge to read the entire prenup to her, asking her after every provision "Do you understand and agree?" You can even film it, so she cannot claim she didn't understand there would be no community property, or that you both agreed on no spousal support/alimony.

There is no element of duress. This means that you can't ask her to sign it the day before, the week before, the month before the wedding. 6 months at a minimum, a year might be better. She must have plenty of time to peruse, change, and agree to the terms. You cannot just spring it on her and have her sign it; it'll be shredded in court instantly.

There are no elements of coercion. What this means is you cannot force her to sign it, or agree to terms she doesn't want to, so that you will marry her. She must agree to all terms [as must you.] If she doesn't want a prenup at all... then you don't get married. Pack it up and move on.

There are no elements of fraud or deceit. What this means is that like all contracts, you cannot lie or deceive the other party. All assets and debts must be disclosed. You can't have 100k in personal debt that you don't tell her about [likewise for her, you need to know her debts to protect yourself.]

Financial divisions are clear and concise. What this means is that there are no ambiguities. Say explicitly what will be joint [house, car, checking account, saving account, etc etc] and what will be kept solo [your boat, her jewelry, your own private bank accounts, your own credit cards, your respective IRA/401k's, etc.]

You do not break any agreed upon provisions. What this means is that if you already agreed upon keeping your bank accounts separate, or that you will pay the mortgage from the joint account, and then later co mingle funds, or move the mortgage to your own account, you could possibly have some very real problems.

Other things of note:

In most states infidelity is not cause to break a prenup. I believe in almost all states.

Depending on the state's laws, pre-agreed upon alimony/spousal support may or may not hold up. This is why you both choose competent, well regarded attorneys that will know this and not draw up those provisions. Some states you will have an easy time, others you won't.

Almost nothing involving child support will be taken into account. Period.

Pre-agreed Custody arrangements may or may not hold up. Again this depends on the state, and the specific situations of your divorce. If she wants to move to another state, you're going to have a hard time keeping up a 50/50 custody, or every other weekend and Tues/Thurs agreement, because that is just not feasible.

Anyone who says prenups are worthless did not take the time, or the money, getting competent legal representation to draw up a valid document. If you are considering getting married, then ask yourself this question: "Is the loss of over half of my future income, worth the few thousand I might spend right now?" Take the fucking time to consult competent representation.

If a prenup is too expensive, then you probably shouldn't be getting married. If you live in an apartment with her, you probably shouldn't be getting married. If both of your combined incomes are less than 100k, you probably shouldn't be getting married. If she has kids from a prior relationship... you definitely should not be getting married. If she is against prenups completely... don't fucking get married. Be smart about this shit.

This shit is not a joke, and needs to be taken seriously. Its a shame the courts are the way they are, and obviously they are biased against men, but half of the reason men get screwed in marriage, is because they married someone they should not have.

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