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Learn the 14th Amendment

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April 25, 2020

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Title	Learn the 14th Amendment
Author	UnitedParents4C
Upvotes	620
Comments	54
Date	April 25, 2020 1:46 AM UTC (6 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/g7l76q/learn_the_14th_amendment/
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it gets extra wild because a woman can lie say your the father even if you DONT KNOW HER and still even if proved not to be, be required to pay for the child. "because some one has to" or if you ever donate sperm wich is suposed to be anonymous and have 0 reprocusions can still have any and all possible children seek you out.

man donates sperm and gets sued for child support https://www.cnn.com/2014/01/23/justice/kansas-sperm-donation/index.html

man donates sperm has shit loads of kids track him down dox him reveal his sperm was used to create over 200 children https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/nov/24/sperm-donor-man-who-fathered-200-children

detroit orders man to pay child support for kid that is not his and even issues a warrant because he wont pay https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIektQ__EGw

and theirs so much more.

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You're absolutely right. I signed the paperwork for my son to be adopted after a multi year struggle, and its clearly defined that both parents need to agree to it. I think there are big issues affecting paternal rights including the mothers choice to abort (which is never going to go away for better or worse), child support enforcement, and the matter of going to court to establish custody which can take months if not years to get a proper routine.

Adoption is not one of these issues though. I do wonder though, if the mother can give the child up for adoption before the father can establish paternity and or establish custody, because i know for me it took 4 months to establish paternity and another 2 to 3 months to establish a custody schedule. It took over 8 months to get a new child support hearing after I left my job, but it never happened because I was deemed low priority.

Of course the support payments don't stop though, so that's when the enforcement becomes too powerful, and forces fathers, like me, out.

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"Can choose to not be a mother during pregnancy"? Interpreted generously, it seems to mean that a pregnant woman can choose to do things that aren't physically good for the fetus. Obviously men aren't gestating the fetus, so it seems weird to complain they can't "choose" to do those things.

This is in reference to abortion. Women have the legal right to abortion and neither the unborn child nor the father have any claim over what happens pre-birth. Many Mens rights advocates (including myself) believe that men should be afforded financial abortion rights pre-birth, at any time during the pregnancy a man can opt out of any rights, privileges, and responsibilities toward the child, including financial support

The base argument against that is "well he chose to have sex so he as to take responsibility for that action" The problem with that is one would not say the same for the Mother. If the mother has physical abortion rights, then the father should have paper abortion rights. That would be equality under the law

"Can choose to give the child to the state" - a man can choose this too. "Can ... drop her baby off" - a man can choose this too.

Incorrect, in every state I am aware of there is no legal mechanism for a man to remove his parental responsibilities without the consent of the mother who can revoke that at any time. If the mother wants to give up the child she can walk away, at that point the father may have a choice to walk away as well however in some states he does not even get that choice

However at any time if the mother chooses to raise the child herself the father is legally responsible for support payments with no way to opt out.

"Can expect the state to force the male partner to subsidize her choice" - a man can choose this too.

Again this is in regards to child support payments, Often times in Family courts mothers are given much more freedom from payments by the court systems when they walk away from their children giving parental control to fathers. It is not uncommon for fathers to be left impoverished by child support payments where mothers are given low or no payments what so ever largely because often time the courts will use the mothers actual income as the base for payment calculations where fathers the use a "earning potential" standard that is legal under the law to claim that while the father may make only X, he "should be" making Y under some nebulous metric based on his field, experience etc.

"Can expect to be subsidized by the other parent, even if that other parent is proven not to be the biological parent" - so the man isn't biologically related, but is still a parent with parenting responsibility? Why is that a problem?

The most common cause of this is a married couple where the mother had an affair that resulted in a child. She never revealed this affair and the husband finds out a few year (or many years) later that he is not the biological father of the child. This results in a divorce. I find it abhorrent that people would support the mother then being able to extract a huge financial reward from the person she committed the most immoral fraud a person could commit on another person. paternity Fraud

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