Let's talk rape.

EvilPundit · 2013-03-04T16:41:18+00:00

You seem to be confusing anecdotal evidence with statistical trends. One instance that you know of personally, does not reflect general trends.

Suggested reading:

http://www.theforensicexaminer.com/archive/spring09/15/

http://www.leaderu.com/real/ri9502/sommers.html

http://cotwa.info

Reading this background material will help you understand where we're coming from.

throwawayroy · 2013-03-04T17:43:58+00:00

It seems to me just from browsing this sub that MRAs are not just afraid of jail time from false rape accusations. The problem has just as much to do with consequences of just being accused. Even if there is no conviction of the person that is accused is wearing a scarlet R on their face for the rest of their life in that community. If it just so happens that it becomes a national / global story, then they wear that letter every where; whether they're actually innocent or not.

There is the perception among many MRAs and Egalitarians (and hopefully feminists) that the justice system is broken when it comes to sexual assault trials, in that defendants are guilty until proven innocent. This does not sit well with us, we want justice for truly evil people while protecting good people. We believe in and support the statement "innocent until proven guilty," and that it "is better to let 100 guilty men go free than to imprison 1 innocent man."

This lends to the problem of actual victims not being believed (both men and women) when they have been sexually assaulted or raped. I have cousins that were abused, my wife's cousins and their mother were abused, even my mother was abused and police did not believe them (or could not help). So the question that every one in the main stream media dance around, the question that is not politically correct but needs to be asked is - "How do we protect the innocent and victims at the same time?"

Anyone who asks this question (MRAs, Egalitarian, Feminists, other) are labeled "rape apologist" by a wide range of feminists, government officials, parents (especially ones who children who have had to suffer through abuse) and the politically correct in general. This is because a lot of sub-questions come from this, often very difficult to answer and not always what we want to hear.

Again these are just kind of my general thoughts and observations from browsing this sub. This turned out longer than I'd thought it would and I have to go to my next class now - I'll come back later to posts links. My apologies if this post seemed flaky, or wasn't what you were looking for; I was having to multitask as I was writing it.

2013-03-04T18:16:34+00:00

Rape has a similar prosecution rate as other violent crimes, but has a much higher false accusation rate.

Are false accusations relating to violence against women common in the culture? Yes, very. Just look into any feminist abuse stats. or see what feminists publish about the mens rights movement and you will see false accusations being thrown around like confetti.

2013-03-04T20:18:45+00:00

Why do you ask?

Rape is horrible and false rape accusations are horrible. And both happen.

End of story.

ultratarox · 2013-03-04T20:05:30+00:00

OP, my deepest sympathies to you and your situation.

My only comment is that it's a very tough situation to prosecute if there's a three month delay between a crime and when it's reported and all the physical evidence has been destroyed. I can't imagine the horror that comes with that kind of an event, but as a society, we have to make it clear that in the wake of a crime like this, your first reaction has to be to go to the hospital or police. Our legal system is really bad at convicting people when there's no evidence for a crime, and trying to make it better at that just increases the likelihood that innocent people will go to jail.

It's not the victims' fault, but if we as a society want justice, we have to work ahead of time to make sure we can salvage evidence in the immediate aftermath of a rape. It's a clinical way to think about the situation, but a history of crime and an accusation just aren't enough in our legal system to put someone in jail.

dumbgirll · 2013-03-04T18:57:06+00:00

Incredibly common. Because we all know some guy who has been falsely accused. Furthermore the issue isn't just one of false accusations but one of eroded civil rights in that men no longer have the right to due process and are often convicted based on nothing more than accusations. What happened to you was wrong, but it in no way excuses the fact that my right to a fair trial has been taken from me.

And furthermore, women rape men all the time and almost never receive jailtime. If you can sit there and justify to yourself why it's not so bad when a female teacher rapes a young boy, then you're a hypocrite if you don't do the same for your own rapist.

I know of a fucking kid in prison right now based on two false accusations from girls who were pissed because he shared naked photos of them. Do you know what a fucking sex slave is? DO YOU?

dumbgirll · 2013-03-04T19:01:45+00:00

I think that a major thing we, as a society, fail to do is educate people on what to do afterwards if you are raped. When you're attacked, mugged, or otherwise beaten, we know to call the police and show them the bruises. With rape or attempted rape the subject almost becomes taboo which leads to a lack of information.

One thing that we have to do is stop telling young men and women that police will not believe them. Seriously, even if they don't, get it on the record. We don't do victims any service by telling them that reporting the crime will only harm them more, and this leads to a chilling amount of under-reporting.

rightsbot · 2013-03-04T16:30:17+00:00

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DNA results can not and do not measure the occurrence of false rape accusations

Title	Let's talk rape.
Author	dumbgirll
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Comments	56
Date	March 4, 2013 4:28 PM UTC (13 years ago)
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