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Lost all respect for Patrick Stewart.

shitonmyass

March 30, 2014

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Title	Lost all respect for Patrick Stewart.
Author	shitonmyass
Upvotes	0
Comments	29
Date	March 30, 2014 6:39 PM UTC (12 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/mensrights/comments/21rhvy/lost-all-respect-for-patrick-stewart/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/lost-all-respect-for-patrick-stewart.1615848 https://theredarchive.com/post/1615848

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[–]snoopyzanus14 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

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[–]TheWheatOne8 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]Underfolder4 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

If i could snap my fingers and end domestic violence against women, I would. Domestic violence against women is a terrible thing. Just as domestic violence against men is a terrible thing. I have to encourage anything the ends violence against ANYBODY.

Also keep in mind what happens to people who advocate for men's human rights. They get attacked and attacked relentlessly. Feminists call for their heads. Nevermind all the good somebody may have done specifically for women. Advocate in favor of men for anything and you're asking for trouble if you're a public figure. Hardly a smart choice for anybody who makes their living to a degree by being popular.

Now I'll tell you whom I have lost respect for. Wil Wheaton. If he wanted to promote himself as a feminist, whatever. But he mocks men who ask for the same protection female victims get, trivializes violence against men (and may have even implicitly advocated for it, but I'd have to double check), and discounts any negative effects of race on whites.

[–]TheWheatOne2 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Like I said, they are like anyone else. I can understand losing respect for a person like that, but I don't think that the MRA needs to bring so much attention to them just because they are actors. A random angry extreme feminist on tumblr that tweets how much she wants all men to be killed, is as relevant to me as Wil Wheaton. I just ignore them.

As fun as it can be (for some MRAs) to show these people's failures in logic and hate speech, it does nothing to help men's issues (or at least bring attention to it) which is what I think this sub-reddit should primarily be about instead.

I hate drama that sparks because famous people have dumb opinions. It just does not do much to help anyway, and the only new knowledge gained is that they have such and such position about some subject, but otherwise it doesn't help the issues at hand.

The drama that unfolds with those famous people's fans/supporters helps no one, we just see enemies that hate us, and its obvious they won't listen to us, so whats the point? Its like seeing atheists go to church to tell the religious how wrong they are. It just doesn't work that way.

Its people on the fence with a more skeptical objective head that is more likely to see men's issues for what they are and crawl away from their own apathy toward it.

Well, anyway, I think I got a bit off-topic, but I hope you see why I hate (OP's) posts like this, especially in a context where the actor is obviously ignorant and not outright hateful. If he saw a boy in a respective situation, he might have helped the same, or been indifferent, which is normal in today's society, and not something to be noted as outright hate.

With Wil Wheaton, it at least serves use as evidence material for hateful opinions being pervasive even among the 'enlightened' or respected.

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No. There is nothing rational about thinking you can change the views of somebody so dedicated to their hatred of women that they immediately think anybody attacking their beliefs, whether vitriolic or not, must hate all men as a rule.

So instead I just decide to go the route which is most entertaining for me. Namely abuse and name calling. I'd do the same to them in person though, you should understand that. I've stood toe-to-toe (literally) with other such extremists in my time on this earth and at no point did I ever think a frank exchange of ideals would change their mind.

...and you're living in a dream world if you think it will. When people are this far gone they have to get there on their own.

And they will once they realise that having sex with barely conscious girls IS rape and IS wrong.

Until then, fuck them.

[–]marzoopial2 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

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He isn't ignorant. I'm sure he's very well aware of the fact that abuse goes both ways. As are almost any human being you'd care to ask. Do I know that women abuse men, for example? Yes thanks. Was Patrick Stewart asked to discuss that here? Probably not. He was probably asked to discuss his experiences with abuse and women and abuse in general. If he'd gone off on a fucking tangent about how "men get abused too!" he'd have been way out of line.

Although lo and behold one of your buddies decided to stoke the usual fires and make the disgusting suggestion that it was probably the women's fault anyway by suggesting she allowed it to happen.

Let me ask you this... if two people came into an emergency room, one with a cut on his finger and one with a gunshot wound to his chest, which one do you think warrants the most attention?

Men aren't ignored in society, and whilst certain sections of society seek to undermine the problems men face (usually other men, I'm sure we're all familiar with the old "pull yourself together" adage) it's not as huge a problem as an entire society being geared against women on a level that goes to the very core of its being.

I don't see the MR "movement" as legitimate because I don't think it is a fair representation of the way society is structured in Western culture and further afield. We live in a male dominated sphere and we always, always will. Are there problems that males have to overcome? Yup. There always will be. Should they be ignored in favour of women's issues? No... but they aren't. I have plenty of avenues of help that I can explore should the need arise. If I'm a woman I can't report a rape without immediately having to defend myself against claims I'm making it up, or I brought it on myself, or I was drunk so it doesn't count.

Or I could come onto Reddit, login in and start spouting inane, misogynistic bollocks to a bunch of brain-washed simpletons here who've convinced themselves that the 2-8% of false rape accusations (25% if you want to take a sample of the kind of fucked up statistics you morons throw around) are more important than the 92-98% of rapes that actually happen, of which about 37% are actually prosecuted.

...I mean if you're going to get on your high horse about people "ignoring the problems men face", why isn't anybody in here equally concerned about males being falsely accused of murder, or theft, or robbery, or tax fraud etc. etc. Why are you only concerned with false rape accusations?

Anyway, I'm bored of this now. Eat a dick you woman-hating troglodyte.

[–]marzoopial1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

It would seem he is ignorant based on his statements that the MR movement is about hating women, his personal attacks on those who disagree, and his choice to use vulgar language and shaming rather than rational or evidenced arguments.

We actually have a pretty good context for Stewart's statements - we hear the question that he is responding to - "Besides acting, what are you most proud of that you've done in your life that you're willing to share with us that isn't related to acting?" He then launches into a response which demonizes men as the sole perpetrators of domestic violence and fails to mention the research and statistics that point to gender symmetry in domestic violence.

While you are correct in pointing out that there are commenters in this thread who engage in victim blaming, I invite you to consider why men would feel this way and how it could be related to consistent demonization that men face in western society. I would also invite you to check this thread in an hour or so and observe that those who express blatant misogyny are consistently downvoted and called out for their bigotry here.

Since you provide zero evidence of your claim that "men aren't ignored in our society" or of "society being geared against women," I will assume that you know this to be untrue. If you do not know this, I invite you to read more posts on /r/mensrights and educate yourself of the many ways men are ignored, demonized, and subjugated in our society as well as the special rights and privileges provided to women via biased legislation such as VAWA, the Duluth Model, the Tender Years Doctrine, or the dishonest and skewed statistics that are regularly reported by feminists.

While you may be willfully ignorant of these issues, they do exist, and claiming that the MR movement is illegitimate because of your personal opinions on rape or rape statistics is both narcissistic and asinine.

Men are very concerned about false accusations of crimes (rape being one of them) as well as the gender disparity in sentencing for crimes - perhaps if you'd look into our movement beyond your emotional reaction to comments on rape statistics, you'd realize that.

And thank you for the "eat a dick you woman-hating troglodyte" sentiment - personal attacks and name calling seem to be the benchmark of feminists who are confronted with the flaws in their hateful ideology and only serve as proof that our movement has valid points which can not be refuted with evidence or reasoned argument.

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What "people"? As if there is a majority of people who're EVER going to give this bollocks the time of day? Deluded. Just like most people don't subscribe to a feminist ideology, most people won't subscribe to this shit either. MOST people just want to get on with their lives.

You're like a member of the Taliban who imagines that eventually every Muslim out there will agree with your horse shit.

It's telling also that you're happy to paint your abhorrent ideas as exactly that, it drips from every letter of that opening paragraph; you know the "Men's Rights" movement is full of shit and for the most part, completely unnecessary, but you can't quite bring yourself to admit it. Nobody views the subjugation of anybody as acceptable. Most people find the subjugation of people who continually call into question the validity of a rape victims claims acceptable though, and rightfully so. You aren't "Fathers for Justice", a legitimate movement that brought about a discourse on the rights of estranged fathers to see their own kids... you're a bunch of frustrated losers who massage false rape statistics, presumably because if you don't get to have sex with comatose women, you don't get to have sex. Most people call a spade a spade. Most people are happy to form these opinions without necessarily attaching themselves to a "movement". I can call into question the validity of Western capitalism... that doesn't immediately make me a communist.

Once you've grown up or found a woman willing to put up with your shit personality you'll drop it fairly quickly.

Hang in there champ.

[–]marzoopial3 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

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I'm sure I saw Abu Qatada stonewalling in a similar vein to this.

Most people dismissed him as a hateful lunatic. As they will with you and your fellow "Activists".

Which is a really insulting use of the word, to be honest. Because you undermine the genuine problems males face by trying to act as a mouthpiece and just come off as a bunch of women-hating mongrels.

You don't represent the interests of myself or any other men I know, thankfully.

Then again, I don't know anybody who disputes rape statistics as a hobby.

Also, serious question, who do you imagine is going to see this? This is an echo chamber. It's only you and your equally vapid nutty, rapey friends in here. MRAs are laughed at by normal human beings for being the tools they are. If you think any sane individual is gonna stumble in here and think "that guy teeing off on these people for slagging off Patrick Stewart for having a problem with domestic violence and abuse has really made me think twice about this whole MRA movement!" you're even more deluded than I first thought. You have a captive audience and they all agree with you... nobody else does.

Or ever will.

Peace.

[–]marzoopial2 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

We dispute skewed statistics coming from the feminist movement that demonize men.

While you may feel we don't represent your interests, we will be here fighting for you in the event that you are lied to about birth control and forced into fatherhood/child support, falsely accused of domestic violence, rape, or child abuse, then charged and jailed with zero evidence.

We will be working to counter the demonized version of men that feminism has formed in our culture that would currently allow your child's mother to alienate you from your child on a whim.

We will be bringing public awareness to the 8x suicide rates of men (up to 10x after divorce), the declining graduation and enrollment rates of men in education, and the archaic and punitive alimony laws that give women a fully legal method for punishing and seeking revenge against men.

Hopefully you'll never find yourself in any of these situations and you can remain blissfully ignorant of the impact that institutionalized feminism has on millions of men in our society.

For men who have been impacted by the outcomes of feminism, there's /r/mensrights serving as a community to discuss our issues, support us in our uphill custody battles, and provide a safe space to voice our opinions - something that most are unable to do in their daily lives due to the persecutory nature of feminist silencing of opponents to their ideology.