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More shaming language from the left. I would expect more reasoned discourse from people who attend university. Sadly, I am disappointed yet again.

steelheader

March 7, 2013

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Title	More shaming language from the left. I would expect more reasoned discourse from people who attend university. Sadly, I am disappointed yet again.
Author	steelheader
Upvotes	3
Comments	19
Date	March 7, 2013 6:06 PM UTC (13 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/mensrights/comments/19uv5z/more-shaming-language-from-the-left-i-would-expect/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/more-shaming-language-from-the-left-i-would-expect.1607688 https://theredarchive.com/post/1607688

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Your confusing your terms. A conservative doesn't attack people on the basis of their ideology but upon whether they perceive them to be insiders or outsiders. For example Obama is attacked even though he is a far right wing president, because he identifies as on the left and conservatives are told he is on the left. Policy doesn't matter to the conservative.

please explain why so many liberals engage in this "fundamentally conservative trait" by shaming anyone who doesn't believe in equality

Since they would attack people they consider to be liberals too, if they felt that they were being immoral, this isn't an example of tribalism. It's an example of principled morals. ie judging people on the basis of their beliefs not their identification or in/out status. For example I am a communist and very happy to attack feminists who present themselves as liberals. Or for that matter anyone else, regardless of how they present themselves, if I see they are acting wrong.

Of course a lot of people pretend to be liberal when they are conservative (eg feminists again) which doesn't help. The reason conservatives often pretend to be liberal is that the liberals essentially won all the arguments about morality.

Ideas like equality before the law replaced the old conservative ideas like the Divine right of kings, and how people of the right class are worth more than commoners. Currently the only widely accepted conservative idea is patriotism/jingoism (the idea that people born in your own country are worth more) or I suppose if you are heavily into animal rights then you could use that as an example.

And feminism.

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Feminism IS the Establishment now, as is PC values. Feminists are trying to maintain the status quo...and are thus 'conservative' socially.

Conservatism is not "maintaining the status quo", even if other people like to think it is. Conservatism is a process; a study of cause and effect. And then you look for the effects you want, the causes that lead to those effects, and implement those causes if at all possible. If not possible, then you have to work with that as a known function which can't be change and start looking for new effects in light of it.

Tribalism isn't conservative, it's just an IS of human behavior. One which conservatism accepts as IS and works for the best solution in light of something it can't change.

And that's important, because a lot of people think that because conservative thought has stated "we can't change this, so we need to work with this as a premise" means that conservatism advocates for such things or even desires them. That's not the case, it's simply that we've learned, via the lessons of history, some things that can't be changed. To try to pretend that they can, and even structure society as if they already have been changed (as liberalism likes to do) is a guaranteed path to failure as it is building on top of a false premise.

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