NYT issues a call for White Knights

2010-07-13T22:03:24+00:00

The concepts of forcing offices to close at 7pm and mandatory paternity leave would have to be legislated by governments to remove the concern of keeping up with the competition.

The problem is, what about those that choose to not have kids? Okay, mothers and fathers would have now equal footing at work, but what about the childless? They still have an advantage, and SHOULD have an advantage because they can contribute more at the workplace. As a man, I would therefore not want to have kids as I would be forced to take parental leave and be left in the dust. Is the net result an even further decline in the birth rate?

It seems to me that cultures with well defined male and female roles continue to thrive while Western cultures are doomed to extinction. The fertility data supports it. I would love a world where men and women can pursue equal roles, but the family will always suffer.

Ortus · 2010-07-14T16:59:42+00:00

I think that word doesn't mean what you think it does.

InfinitelyThirsting · 2010-07-13T17:43:37+00:00

In the Western world, motherhood remains the barrier to gender equality. Until they have children, young women now earn nearly the same as men and climb the career ladder at a similar pace. With the babies often come career breaks, part-time work and a rushed two-shift existence that means sacrificing informal networks like the after hours beer-and-bonding experience often crucial at promotion time...Mr. Monnot says he now travels to his company’s sites encouraging managers to shut their offices at 7 p.m. and recent fathers to go part-time “to set an example.”

So their solution to women getting behind in their careers is to get men to voluntarily handicap their themselves by taking time off? Wouldn't the better solution be to make it abundantly clear that if you decide to start a family and take time off to do it, that your career will suffer? We shouldn't be promoting an attitude that tough choices don't have to be made and you can have it all.

Giving the next generation strong father figures would not only help explode the glass ceiling, it might also be the best hope for those failing boys in school who lack male role models.

Somehow I don't think this would actually happen with the current political climate. Fathers take time off (thus damaging their careers) to help with the beginning years of their child. Like most marriages, the father and mother end up divorcing, the father loses half his shit and most likely his parental rights. He is now left with a messed up career, visitation on weekends and living out of a studio apartment. Sounds like a great deal.

AmazingMaze · 2010-07-13T18:05:35+00:00

When linking to sites which require a username/password, it would be a good idea to provide a working username/password.

FishKiss · 2010-07-14T18:08:39+00:00

The elephant in the room is that most women don't want to give up the primary hands-on parent role. They don't want a house-husband. They don't want to marry down. They don't want to give up the option to work only as much as is personally satisfying in a job they like, which is what a more successful male bread-winner provides. They don't want to have no choice but to work full-time until retirement age.

You can't set up legally-binding gender quotas for who stays home and who must support them. Without women being willing to give up their subsidized options and make do with working more than they'd prefer to, until retirement age, even at jobs they don't like--in order to make a financial contribution great enough to enable men to share the home role fully, then it's all a pipe-dream.

Title	NYT issues a call for White Knights
Author	kloo2yoo
Upvotes	5
Comments	44
Date	July 13, 2010 4:51 PM UTC (16 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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