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Stop believing all rape accusers: Top QC warns that police's 'rigid mindset' may be behind sex case crisis that has seen two rape cases collapse

furchfur

December 21, 2017
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Title Stop believing all rape accusers: Top QC warns that police's 'rigid mindset' may be behind sex case crisis that has seen two rape cases collapse
Author

furchfur

Upvotes 221
Comments 12
Date December 21, 2017 9:00 AM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7l8avq/stop_believing_all_rape_accusers_top_qc_warns/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/stop-believing-all-rape-accusers-top-qc-warns-that.1173471
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Comments

[–]unbelievablepeople 28 points29 points30 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

We can take rape out of it and just say, don't believe accusers. And don't believe the accused. Of anything. Merely investigate with an open mind of the possibility both that the accuser could be lying and that the accused could be lying. If someone says they were raped, assaulted, robbed, had their car stolen, had money embezzled out of their savings, whatever, the authorities should require evidence, not just assume the accuser is telling the truth.

[–]tetraourogallus 11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This concept is sadly difficult to comprehend for too many people.

[–]Pillowed321 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This! All accusers deserve to be taken seriously, but they shouldn't be automatically believed.

[–]ElfmanLV 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My argument has always been that you are NOT taking the accuser seriously if you just believed them without investigation.

What if the victim suffered a crime more serious than they reported? What if thorough investigation actually reveals more victims? By not doing their actual jobs ie) INVESTIGATE, law enforcers are literally doing no one a favour.

[–]PapaLoMein 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thing is people already don't automatically believe other accusers. Show up and day you saw someone get murdered 10 years ago by some celebrity you worked with, and the default is people doubt if you have no actual evidence

[–]st00dup 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But why blame police? They are only careerists taking advantage of feminist dogma. 'Women never lie'. LOL

[–]BlindGardener 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Could be both are lying, and it turns out the whole thing was a cover for a fight over the proceeds of an illegal smuggling ring.

[–]trangle42 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We can take rape out of it and just say, don't believe accusers.

Because that already happens, for all crimes except rape. That's why you can't take rape out it.

And let's stop pretending this is about anything to do with police or recent policy changes - we ALL know it goes all the way back to legal changes in the 80s and 90s that allowed people to be put on trial without evidence. That's the real issue here.

I mean, it wouldn't matter how biased and malicious the police were if they were just laughed out of court by the judge as he throws the case out for lack of evidence.

Relying on the police to do the right thing as the main pillar of justice, rather than trials where there is a significant evidenciary burden on the prosecution, real presumption of innocence, and proof beyond reasonable doubt, is not how the justice system is supposed to work.

We know women lie about rape - the only crime for which there is a widespread observed pathology for false accusations - the question is how can we possibly put people on trial without evidence?

You would think if it was known a certain crime has a association with false accusation, the evidence burden would be higher than other crimes, not reduced to zero.

[–]Mencite 16 points17 points18 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

They're desperate to down play this. They're trying to spin this in terms of police automatically believing the victim to make it gender neutral. This is about much more than the police automatically believing the victim or automatically believing rape accusers.

The police are institutionally bigoted against men why? because our whole culture is bigoted against men.

What needs to come out of this is a greater realisation that women's victimhood is seen as ten times as important as that of men, and men can be readily sacrificed if a woman plays her victim card.

[–]Lethn 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If we can get the police to change this attitude then it could result in an absolutely massive shift in British society for the better. This would remove the influence feminists have over the justice system and then that would have a knock on effect on people who have been abusing this system for their own ends for decades.

We've got a huge window of opportunity here, perhaps it's time for MRAs to lobby the police?

[–]Mencite 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Partly true but we need a realisation that this is a society wide problem. Most men see everything through the lenses of women's suffering is much more important than men.
Nothing much will change until men change.

[–]spy9911 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

believe the woman not the evidence is the new mantra

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