The College Rape Overcorrection

dejour · 2014-12-08T05:33:39+00:00

I actually feel optimistic over the past week as Yoffe, Rosin and the Washington Post have been sympathetic to the MRM point of view about rape accusations.

The Marcottes of the world seem to be losing control of the dialogue.

And in my optimistic view, the more people speaking out, the more people will be willing to speak out. There may be an avalanche of people who have been scared into silence that might be prepared to speak on behalf of men.

1TrueScotsman · 2014-12-08T08:01:20+00:00

I still hate the fact that all these articles have to start with insisting that there is a particular problem with rape on campuses. Perpetuating this lie means that we leave the door open for continued hysteria.

PierceHarlan · 2014-12-08T15:43:33+00:00

This is the final word on the subject.

wazzup987 · 2014-12-08T07:11:48+00:00

Jesus fuck feminism is crumbling fast. from slate no less. common sense to save the day!

dungone · 2014-12-08T17:07:04+00:00

This is what a feminist trying to save face sounds like:

Carol Tavris is a social psychologist and author of the feminist classic, The Mismeasure of Woman, and, with Elliot Aronson, Mistakes Were Made (but Not by Me). She says she is troubled by the blurring of distinctions between rape (notably by predatory males), unwanted sex (where one party agrees to sex not out of desire but to please or placate the partner), and the kind of consensual sex where both parties are so drunk they can barely remember what happened—and one of them later regrets it. She says, “Calling all of these kinds of sexual encounters ‘rape’ or ‘sexual assault’ doesn’t teach young women how to learn what they want sexually, let alone how to communicate what they want, or don’t want. It doesn’t teach them to take responsibility for their decisions, for their reluctance to speak up. Sexual communication is really hard—you don’t learn how to do it in a few weekends.”

Tavris also believes holding only men responsible for their sexual behavior has pernicious effects on women because it supports a victim identity that is already too prevalent in our society. “It’s so much easier to be a victim than to admit culpability, admit your own involvement, admit that you made a mistake,” she says. “It’s much easier to say it’s all his fault. Look, sometimes it is all his fault. That’s called rape. But ambiguities and unexpected decisions are part of many encounters, especially sexual ones.”

Notice a few things happening in this article. Nowhere in this article does it mention "rape culture" and the unending feminist activism that has created this mess. Instead it vaguely talks about school administrators and government officials, as if these decisions are being made in a vacuum by incompetent bureaucrats. The only opinion attributed to a feminist in the entire article is the one I quoted above. In fact it's the only mention of the word "feminist" in the entire article. Yet it is so contrarian to what the overwhelming majority of feminists think that if they didn't have so much egg on their face right now, they'd probably label her a heretic.

So what we've got in this article is the narrative that women are the victims of being told they're always the victim. Or, in other words, ever more finger pointing.

LibertyIndiana · 2014-12-09T02:11:26+00:00

This should be the most upvoted thread in this entire subreddit. Forget Facebook screenshots, stories from random blogs and articles with no citations. I actually submitted this link thinking somehow this subreddit missed it.

This piece drives home that it really isn't just colleges and universities that are at fault. Men are the default criminals for rape and other crimes, often without any convincing evidence. That needs to stop

Cassius666 · 2014-12-08T12:02:07+00:00

Very important article. Feminists lie about many things, among which rape and if confronted with counterpoints they try to litigate by pussing for the termination of whomever uttered the counterpoint in order to achieve that the drivel they spew goes ahead unchallenged instead of meeting the challenges to it.

sackupbro · 2014-12-08T12:46:18+00:00

Women use sex to control and neutralize male power ... it's nothing new. Just read about the greek hero Odysseus, in The Odyssey, written thousands of years ago. After the fall of his kingdom, Odysseus is imprisoned by the beautiful nymph Calypso who enchants him with sex and song. Finally free and on his journey, Odysseus and his men are warned of the lovely Sirens they will encounter along the way. To resist the seductive song of the Sirens he plugs the ears of his men and has himself tied to the mast of his ship. Odysseus learned what can come of a man from the lure of a woman’s song. This is an issue totally within our control if we do what the feminists did ... take back our sex.

ang3c0 · 2014-12-11T04:56:03+00:00

Fantastic read, I'm not sure why this doesn't have more upvotes.

thereturnofdoombot · 2014-12-08T16:02:15+00:00

This article also suggests that "affirmative consent" rules be removed in order to protect men from false accusations. Interesting given the arguments on this sub for affirmative consent in the Shia Labeouf threads in order to protect him.

phySi0 · 2014-12-09T18:49:27+00:00

TwoX submission has a lot of discussion.

Title	The College Rape Overcorrection
Author	dejour
Upvotes	71
Comments	23
Date	December 8, 2014 5:14 AM UTC (11 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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