The Crisis Over American Manhood Is Really Code for Something Else

Ill-Truck-8077 · 2023-07-15T07:00:41+00:00

People in "left-liberal" circles seem to understand everything through the lenses of "power relations"

Facts and values/principles don't really matter because they argue it's just a smokescreen for a crusade against their agenda, which they arrogantly assert it's the unequivocal right, moral one.

What matters is the perceived motivation and the character of the speaker, not the intrinsic ethical value of the message.

One must always ask: if your thesis is true for your opponents, why isn't it true for yourselves? Are you a different, more evolved, ethical species?

lumpynose · 2023-07-15T02:27:11+00:00

I didn't finish it. It's very long. It's written by a woman.

From what I gather the entire point of that long tedious article is that it's merely the same old, same old, nothing new, deja vu, we've seen it all before, and obviously not anything anyone should be concerned about.

Poopygoopyoopy · 2023-07-15T05:47:51+00:00

Why do these people love using gay men as a weapon?

Like you make fun of other men using my identity no I don’t like you go fuck yourself.

Just so much man hate these days

Character-Finish-502 · 2023-07-15T07:34:50+00:00

Young American men have no purpose

Well yeah. What the fuck does anyone expect when the leftists and feminists have taken away all of the things that traditionally motivated men to become their best selves?

Rty4848 · 2023-07-15T07:29:26+00:00

Just turn it around every time they talk about "manhood" crisis:

There is a really serious feminity crisis. Women should decide what is their alternative to patriarchy. And also what definition of "woman" is!

Angryasfk · 2023-07-16T08:17:55+00:00

What a load of old waffle.

What is this story really about? It’s a left liberal woman (feminist?) seeking to write off the current male issues (now so obvious that even feminist Op Ed writers for The Guardian feel the need to mention that they’re aware of it) is all just some right wing conspiracy - just some periodic tale “rich white men” go on about. Like the old tale of the periodic “red scare” that the US has.

Well she herself puts her finger on why the current set up doesn’t square with these earlier “scares”. All the previous one was about upper class men at Ivy League institutions worrying about becoming “effeminate” and not part of the “virile American” they believed the US to represent. But this one is about men in general, especially working men, and lower class men.

That is very different to the previous generations. No one in the past would have denied the masculinity of carpenters, blacksmiths, dock workers etc. Nor do the “worries” about men’s manliness in the past talk about most of the current issues that are being raised despite feminists’ best efforts. She, sort of, is vaguely aware that there is a major pending social issue, and grumbles about the “solutions”, but then tries to claim that it’s just an ongoing and uniquely American paranoia.

So nothing to see here folks.

Except it is happening elsewhere too. Including in the Europe all this is supposedly set up in opposition to!

So just a “nothing to see here folks” article.

Vaudeville_Clown · 2023-07-15T12:25:22+00:00

Nothing new except some information about historical masculinity debates I've never heard about before.

Progressives and feminists are no better than these trad con farts trying to control men by imbuing them with desired traits.

First thing if we were to get the debate on track would be to admit that there is NO masculinity crisis plaguing young men.

The troubles young men face are the effects of hate, discrimination, marginalization, and the trauma of abruptly going from a loved child into something everyone thinks disgusting and unlikable (once they hit puberty).

That's the crisis of young men. They withdraw because they expect more pain and ridicule if they lay themselves bare and plead for help. It has fuck all to do with failing some John Wayne archetype.

Maybe a young man, hurting and confused, could be goaded by some "Be a Man" or "practice Caring Masculinity for feminist allies" BS, but none of that works on older men very often, and I'd be willing to bet that everyone on this sub are also immune.

Adult men don't care if someone tries to "emasculate" them, or try to appeal to a supposed masculine ego "Oh, you so strong and manly!" In both instances I feel "Why the fuck are you trying to manipulate me!?"

In many ways, men still work harder and better, but we get no respect for it. So many of us stopped, went minimalist, because what's the point then? That isn't a crisis either. It's a rational response.

mrmensplights · 2023-07-16T05:14:22+00:00

Politico released three separate articles on the 14th under the label "The Masculinity Issue". It turns out the 'issue' with masculinity is that they aren't all voting for democrats. It's Poltico so you should expect politics and left wing ones at that. All three articles spend most of their time talking about how their political enemies are reaching out to men and why that's a bad thing. Every single article mentions Josh Hawley.

As usual, the article gives a bief grudging mention that men are struggling and, as usual, squarely blames traditional masculinity. Literally zero engagement with any social workers and activists working with men and no research into the any actual issues and concerns raised by actual men. Nope, it's traditional masculinity again boys. All three articles are written by women. Politico says a fourth article is on the way. It's also written by a woman.

Just another day ending with y.

Noonbright · 2023-07-19T10:31:39+00:00

The complete lack of empathy and the mocking tone is quite telling by itself.

Title	The Crisis Over American Manhood Is Really Code for Something Else
Author	lumpynose
Upvotes	15
Comments	13
Date	July 15, 2023 2:24 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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