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Time to Vet FIRE

giegerwasright · 2013-04-13T11:38:34+00:00

I've seen 5 posts that link to FIRE or a video related to FIRE. So, let's vet them and make sure that they aren't getting Koch or Heritage...

giegerwasright

April 13, 2013

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Title	Time to Vet FIRE
Author	giegerwasright
Upvotes	0
Comments	20
Date	April 13, 2013 11:38 AM UTC (13 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/mensrights/comments/1c9j9l/time-to-vet-fire/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/time-to-vet-fire.1610455 https://theredarchive.com/post/1610455

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That doesn't even come close to being persuasive. I actually know quite a bit about both the Kochs and Heritage. Koch Industries is involved in a number of areas, mostly manufacturing in polymers, petrochemicals and the like (e.g. Styrofoam cups). Nothing dubious there.

The Kochs have donated a great deal of money to various libertarian and conservative leaning organizations and projects, including the well-reputed Cato Institute, the Federalist Society, the Reason Foundation, the Institute for Justice, and so forth. I know many people who disagree with the philosophy of these organizations, but few who don't respect the quality of their work. The Federalist Society, for example, has enormous respect in the legal community (of which I am a part), even by liberal legal commentators who are frequently hosted as a part of their events.

The Kochs are treated like boogie men by the left, but only ideologues and fools have ever taken those characterizations seriously. Are you under the impression that the MRM is some left-wing activist group?

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[–]crazy893 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

You're kidding right? Now anything relating to oil manufacturing is inherently suspect? We're not even talking about oil production mind you, just manufacturing using oil. You do realize that most manufacturing involves oil, right? That includes all plastics and most energy use in manufacturing. So computers, cars, bottled water, hairbrushes, appliances, pill bottles, tupperware, iPhones, etc. In fact, you're going to have a really hard time coming up with industries that don't use significant amounts of oil.

Unnecessary wars? Which ones exactly? Afghanistan: no oil there, just bin Laden. Iraq: lots of conspiracy theorists have argued that it was about the oil, but that seems a little silly given that we didn't exactly get any oil out of the deal. Gulf War: the concern about Kuwait probably had something to do with oil, but it had far more about the threat to Israel than anything else.

Threat to the environment? Ok, if I wasn't convinced before, now I'm completely certain you have no idea what you're talking about. Go read the first chapter of Jared Diamond's "Collapse" to see just how wrong you are in how major oil companies conduct their drilling operations. Let me give you a clue: they actually leave the land better off than when they entered it.

So I'm sorry, but I have to ask not to spread your bullshit here while demeaning people who you don't like but who haven't actually done anything wrong.

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I'm not interested in taking anyone's actions at face value. Certainly not political actions. My concern is that FIRE will turn out to be sort of like the CATO institute that Penn Gillette is always shilling for. "We believe in liberty and freedom and intelligence and we suck on the teet of the Koch's when we need some cash." Which ultimately means that they are shills for and beholden to the Koch Brothers, who are two of the most evil people alive right now. I want no affiliation with them nor their money. Ever.

It's possible this stuff was posted here by someone who stumbled upon the info and though that would be useful. That would be nice.

It is also possible that the group is seeking to let MRAs know that they are available. Their platform of protecting speech on college campus is very attractive. You don't find out that they're secretly scientologists or neo cons or some other fuckery until it's too late. I'd like to know before it's too late.

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