What are Men's thoughts about this topic?

Ok-Translator2294 · 2022-10-23T20:45:26+00:00

Should be legalised and simplified. Not every man is ready to have a child, not every man wants to have a child. Contraceptives fail, I've heard of women skipping the pills or poking holes in condoms to get pregnant. Then there's the Drake case.

Men should have an option to opt out, and it should be simple, not a month long court battle.

It's always funny how when we say this we are often told that we shouldn't have sex if we do not want to have kids because there's always a risk of pregnancy. The same argument suddenly becomes invalid when told to women who want abortion even though they still have more options post conception.

Another suggestion we often get is to get vasectomy, which is not 100% reversible. Yet we don't ask women to undergo similar procedures with the option of just freezing their eggs.

That's without even going into instances where women have used "accidental" pregnancy to make guys stay or for financial benefits, or instances where the guy was raped.

As usual, these are societal double standards which treat men as the provider. So if the mother decides to have a child we do not want, we must still pay for it.

MrTuxedo1 · 2022-10-23T22:34:02+00:00

Completely agree with the top comment on that thread

Sex should not be a punishment and forcing a male or a female into parenthood is a horrible thing

AndyBrown65 · 2022-10-23T22:30:35+00:00

Men are not wallets on legs and sadly there are some women who think they are. Play games with custody and trash talk the daddy? Yes, no one wants that.

Fathers are important in kids lives but the state has effectively turned men into sperm donor wallets .

g1455ofwater · 2022-10-23T23:01:32+00:00

I think giving men equality in this way will lead to better results than what is currently happening. Equality has a way of improving situations both directly and indirectly.

TrilIias · 2022-10-23T20:50:24+00:00

I've seen a lot of people recently using the terms "paper abortion" and "financial abortion." I think this is a term we should avoid for the following reasons:

Pro-lifers are going to instantly oppose it, and feminists will instantly object on the grounds that it isn't a fair comparison, which they should. By using such a politically charged term you alienate so many people right from the start.
With Roe overturned, abortion will be banned in many states. If you establish legal paternal surrender as the equivalent to a right that is about to be banned, then how will you be able to make the case that men should have legal paternal surrender on the basis of equality?
It's not comparable to abortion. The equivalent to legal paternal surrender is legal maternal surrender. By the way, women have that under safe haven laws, so this avoids the problem of point 2. There is no male equivalent to abortion. There is no medical procedure men can undergo that terminates the pregnancy. SCOTUS has recognized that pregnancy and parenthood are two separate issues. Abortion addresses pregnancy, safe haven laws and legal paternal surrender address parenthood. Again, there is no male option to address pregnancy.

I would recommend "legal paternal surrender" as a replacement.

I mean just look at the first comment on that post:

It is controversial because people are comparing bodily autonomy with financial obligation to children.

They aren't the same thing.

That person is right. Good job MRAs, you just shot yourselves in the foot for no reason.

ExMuzzy · 2022-10-23T21:14:45+00:00

A woman can unilaterally give her baby up for adoption as long as the father isn’t on the birth certificate. I don’t agree with forcing men or women into parenthood. The only choice afforded to men is the pro-life argument of abstaining from sex.

ebony-mori · 2022-10-23T23:13:21+00:00

Abortions should be a legal right for women. Paper abortions should be a legal right for men.

Sex should never, ever be a punishment for either side. If the government wants better supported single mothers, then they should step up instead of punishing the common man.

Title	What are Men's thoughts about this topic?
Author	Chokeyouhard
Upvotes	8
Comments	10
Date	October 23, 2022 8:36 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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