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Why Do Men Rape? - Quillette

xNOM

March 22, 2018
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Title Why Do Men Rape? - Quillette
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xNOM

Upvotes 6
Comments 19
Date March 22, 2018 11:03 PM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/86fyzw/why_do_men_rape_quillette/
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Comments

[–]chomponthebit 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Social scientists hate it when Biologists, ecologists, zoologists, and evolutionary psychologists show up with evidence

[–]tenchineuro 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Interesting article.

From the end...

I believe that the rape-is-not-about-sex doctrine will go down in history as an example of extraordinary popular delusions and the madness of crowds. It is preposterous on the face of it, does not deserve its sanctity, is contradicted by a mass of evidence, and is getting in the way of the only morally relevant goal surrounding rape, the effort to stamp it out.

[–]RapeMatters 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'd still like to know why women rape.

$50 it's the same thing.

[–]mwobuddy 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://youtu.be/cDut-A2GtLA?t=564

70% of women surveyed would want a second husband just for sex.

Women are just as horny as men.

[–]shit-zen-giggles 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why do women rape?

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7at0dn/michelle_elliot_discussing_her_book_the_female/

(shamelessly plugging my own post)

[–]w1g2 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

While it is a good and interesting article that describes the scientific data on why heterosexual males rape young fertile women most often, it certainly does not answer the whole question of 'why do people rape'?

Women, typically while still young and attractive, seem to really enjoy raping, whether statutory or not, young boys anywhere between 17 years old and 4 years old. You've seen it all around here before. Teachers and babysitters usually. I don't think this is about power however, if it was, you'd see it whenever a female had significant power over a male. In that case scenario, I think it's about women, usually women who were once prom queens and known for their beauty but now slowly ageing, wanting to be sexually worshipped- and who would do that better than a young boy, likely a virgin? She wants the adulation of being the sexual goddess who "made him a man".

There is a similar feeling behind the woman who starts riding an unconscious or so-drunk-I-can-barely-move guy at a party. She firmly believes that men are always down for sex; she is granting him the favor by demonstrating her consent unasked.

I get it, maybe women are far less likely to rape in the way we typically think men do: holding a gun to their victims head and having at it. This doesn't mean that they don't rape. Because women are less likely to be able to overpower a man with her strength, she knows better than to go that route. Just like with murder, she'll wait until her victim is unaware and prone, as in when he's asleep or incapacitated.

A type of rape, at least I consider it to be so, that is far more perpetrated by women against men just by common acknowledgement is when women lie about birth control to deliberately become pregnant against their partner's wishes. I know women who have done this, you probably know women who have done this. And the reason they do it is because they care more about their desire to have more children than their husband's desire to not have more children (or of course the situation where he doesn't want to have children at all). We don't even consider this as a society to be a serious problem, even though the reverse would be considered horrific.

Women rape, we just don't often see it as such. And I'd bet the same is true for how we view animals.

[–]mwobuddy 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

While it is a good and interesting article that describes the scientific data on why heterosexual males rape young fertile women most often, it certainly does not answer the whole question of 'why do people rape'?

Women, typically while still young and attractive, seem to really enjoy raping, whether statutory or not, young boys anywhere between 17 years old and 4 years old. You've seen it all around here before.

What.

If its not statutory how is it rape? This is where people start throwing around the word rape like it doesn't mean anything.

Then we get into 'what is rape' territory? Are there degrees of rape? Where some are less bad than others? Is there 'just a little raped' vs 'a lot raped'? That question is serious when we talk about two 17 year old twins separated with one going to live in Nevada and the other going to live in Florida or California.

Presuming these twins both have sexual intercourse with someone of their own free will, the one in Nevada 'isn't raped', but the other one is, regardless of the age of the person they fuck (they could be 16-17, they could be 40).

So then we look past mere legal claim as that doesn't tell us anything, and look at the actions and repercussions. Assuming they're twins in identical sexual relationships, the 'fallout' of the failure of that relationship being identical as well, why is one 'raped' and the other not?

The only rational thing to say is 'they were raped in the eyes of law but not in the meaning of the actual word', if we think its being loosely applied. On the other hand, we could say that the Nevadian is being 'raped' same as the other twin, its merely 'legal'.

This argument stems from the basis of considering rape to be whatever happens to individuals, regardless of whether its legal or not.

Such as spouse rape. That was legal until the early 90's in the U.S. A married partner had no right to say no, which is a consequence of the idea that each others' body belongs to both parties, and you can hardly violate your own lack of consent masturbating.

However, suppose someone wants to define rape purely in terms of what is and isn't legal. Then spouse rape should never have become illegal, because it was legal and therefore wasn't rape. This kind of reasoning is the logical consequence of appealing strictly to law and not to 'what actually happens between two individuals' to determine what rape is.

For instance, a husband and wife getting drunk and fucking can technically be considered rape, and thus it becomes that even though they're both married and engaged willfully in all the actions. A spouse who touches their partner sexually and is rejected is technically guilty of sexual harassment/assault, because the law says "any unwanted touching with sexual intent" is sexual harassment/assault. Therefore that spouse is guilty of a crime.

This is the consequence of saying that what the law says is absolute truth.

If you take the common sense approach of what determines sexual assault/rape, then the law can't be the thing you hide behind when making claims of what is and isn't rape. It has to be what actually happened between two individuals and the circumstances.


Women, typically while still young and attractive, seem to really enjoy raping, whether statutory or not, young boys anywhere between 17 years old and 4 years old.

Breaking this down.

They enjoy raping... not statutory... young boys... 17 years old.

Claim: 17 is a young boy.

Claim: While legal, it is still rape.

The only way this makes sense is if a 17 year old was forced into sex, and then she's still violating rape/sexual assault laws, with no need for 'statutory' laws revolving around age.

If they're 17, they consent, and there's no law against it, then how is it rape?

Using the term carelessly is damaging to actual victims.

[–]xNOM[S] 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A very thorough takedown of the feminist "rape is not about sex" canard.

[–]mwobuddy 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Does anyone notice the largest percentage by far is in the 'hot young woman range'?

This isn't rocket surgery.

Although that 3% in the 65+ region's a little disturbing.

[–]alclarkey 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Any rape at all, whether it is a hot young woman, or an old bag is more than a little disturbing.

[–]mwobuddy 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Murder is disturbing, but a murderer who bathes in the blood of their victim and keeps their eyeballs on a nightstand is far more disturbing, wouldn't you agree there's a kind of scale involved?

[–]xNOM[S] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Being a woman at the peak of fertility is the strongest predictor of rape rates. Alcohol use and slutty dressing also correlate.

[–]mwobuddy 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And the fact that college age correlates to the rate, and we see so many males expelled for 'rape'.

[–]JStheHammer 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Men don't. Criminals do.

[–]DevoutSubculture 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Feminists are more than happy to oblige the idea that rape is purely sexual, this is what fuels the idea that all men or exclusively men are rapists.

Most of Susan Brownmiller's arguments aren't even affected by this. You could still reasonably argue that her assertion that all men keep all women oppressed by the threat of rape is actually even more true from the perspective that rape is about sex and tied to biology.

the braindead 'le progressives' propaganda only takes away from whatever point is trying to be made here. I also find it hilarious that the author's description of progressive and conservative view of crime is virtually the same thing, and the author even cites the great depression as a cause directly after scoffing at the idea that the economy can change behavior. Fucking idiot, it takes a lot to disprove yourself in a single paragraph but e' did it the mad lad.

Even if every feminist accepted the idea that rape is purely sex, it would change nothing about them.

[–]tenchineuro 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Feminists are more than happy to oblige the idea that rape is purely sexual,

Don't feminists claim that rape is about power and keeping women afraid?

Don't feminists claim that rape is not about sex?

[–]xNOM[S] 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. If it's about sex, then the advice "if you want to reduce your chances of being raped, then stop dressing slutty and getting drunk" actually begins to make sense. These two things actually correlate with rape rates, by the way.

[–]xNOM[S] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminists are more than happy to oblige the idea that rape is purely sexual, this is what fuels the idea that all men or exclusively men are rapists

I don't think so. Then the whole idea of a conscious and massive Patriarchy conspiracy to "oppress" women through "toxic masculinity" breaks down. You also couldn't send men to reeducation camps (a.k.a. school) to wipe the toxic masculinity from their brains, if it's driven by a purely biological need.

Most of Susan Brownmiller's arguments aren't even affected by this. You could still reasonably argue that her assertion that all men keep all women oppressed by the threat of rape is actually even more true from the perspective that rape is about sex and tied to biology.

Well, it's just the usual childish feminist projection. Sex is female power incarnate. Feminists are so stupid or evil that they actually think or misrepresent that in the one rare case where it's the man who gets to decide whether or not sex occurs, that he does it for power reasons as well. The entire logic is twisted just to make it fit female psychology.

What are the limits to this female power? How slutty can a woman behave in order to gain resources and status before it backfires on her? The safer the streets become and the more infrastructure civilization has, the further this boundary is pushed out. Back when women dressed modestly, the rates for all crime including rape were an order of magnitude higher. Feminists are for anything that increases female power. Either through shifting their acquisition of resources from husbands to taxpayers and subsidized employment in comfortable HR-policed jobs. (mainstream first wave feminists) Or through pushing the slut-boundary further (lipstick feminists.)

[–]BetterBadIdeas 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I dunno. Why do women rape?

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