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Then check the history of both parties.

It were democrats (at that time you could consider them conservatives) that were for slave keeping. And it were anti-slavery activists that founded the republican party.

It was a democrat in higher position that opposed the decision of the higher ups to let certain black students into the school facility.

And it also were Democrats opposing the womens vote.

I also always thought that Republicans are the "big company, filthy rich" party, but its rather the party of the common people.

Republicans believe in what the founding fathers wanted. Democrats dont. Democrats want more power to the state (say unlimited), just like communists and socialists want it. And from history we know exactly that its a terrible idea. And the founding fathers did aswell.

There is a lot more to it, but it were the Republicans that represented ordinary, good people.

Im an outsider myself actually, not from the US. But you can clearly see from the trend that SJWs tend to be left and the mainstream media IS pro-democrats.

Then you just have to check history and all that and you can understand why i would rather be republican than democrat.

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[–]DarkSoulsEater1 point 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

First off, since Trump, a republican, everyone had to pay lower taxes, not only rich.

Secondly, rich already pay an unfair amount of taxes and absolutely deserve to pay less.

Third, universal healthcare like Obamacare is a drain and a problem. It is not a good thing.

About the other points im not sure, didnt look into that so cant give an exact opinion.

Also, when were talking about what is now, the Democrats are owning fake news, are the ones harboring Antifa and other SJWs, are the ones that try to remove a republican from senate by endorsing false rape accusation, had a presidency candidate that was a disgusting liar and overall massive cunt.

All while pushing for government control in form of an authoritarian one, socialism, the racist idea of collectivism based on skin color and ethnicity and trying to undo the first and second amendment.

Yeah, even when only looking at the present, the Democrats still look like a piece of shit party, so no thanks.

[–]kawaiihawaiimogwaii1 point 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

That's pretty absurd. First of all, lowering taxes is not something that's good for the masses since it leaves less money for public services. It sounds appealing but actually only benefits the rich even when everyone gets them. So poor would have more money in the pocket but since everything gets privatized, it isn't worth as much.

Secondly, taxing the rich is vital in ensuring deep enough pokets for the government budget. The rich have more than enough money to pay taxes. Ask Bill Gates.

Third, universal health care is a good thing and when you budget it correctly, it absolutely benefits everyone and it's a system we should all be thriving towards. Obviously this isn't possible if we keep lowering taxes for the wealthy. What is a drain is people not having the means to pay for their healthcare.

Everytime I've seen somebody calling something "fake news", it's been a republican and the news have been real. And by the way, the person sitting in the office right now is a disgusting liar and a massive dick. The whole either-or situation in US politics is the worst thing in all of this really.

Using "socialism" as some sort of deterrant won't work for me. It's not a curse word where I'm from. Isn't a bit cold war era type labeling anyways? Things American call socialist are considered normal and expected ways to organize services inside a government in most of Europe and we're quite happy with it.

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Without any basis? The basis is the actual well off countries that have high taxes and universal health care and a good public education system.

Again, you are using "socialism" as some sort of an insult. I see this as a common tactic when discussing Obamacare and such which are so far away from socialism that it's behind the horizon. It's just a cheap word to make things seem evil to non educated Americans without having to look into anything.

Of course it's in a sense anecdotal since I have to view the world from my perspective. But that anecdotal experience includes all the reliable major news sites. Haven't seem anything but republicans claiming real news fake in an effort to distract the masses. And you said it yourself... they think they can't trust the media so they call out "fake news" whenever something doesn't fit to their opinion on how the world should be.

You still didn't, and I suspect you never will, address what laws rebublicans try and pass these days. Just going through list would quickly show you who the "people's party" is if either can be called that.

You don't have to educate me on anything. Both parties are shitshows, democrats just less so.

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What facts have you provided me? The irrelevant historical events you described? Never denied any of that. It's just irrelevant when looking at what the parties do now. I'd be happy to take a look at some political actions the republicans have taken which the democrats have stood against that would actually really help the common people (from poor to lower middle class).

For the third time, I don't support the democrats. I couldn't support them even if I wanted to as I'm not a US citizen (unless you are talking about some sort of monetary aid or involvement in political actions or functions which I also do not take part in).

As for your final note, don't you think it's a bit unhealthy to think that a person with different political beliefs is crazy? It's fine if you can't understand their convictions, motives and beliefs but crazy? I don't think that will lead to any kind of constructive discussion.

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I didn't say history is irrelevant. I quite clearly stated that what these parties did decades ago is irrelevant considering the total platform shift they've gone through. If republicans today decide to tax the rich less and cut the health care budget, it doesn't really matter what they did 20 years ago, does it?

As I've said earlier, democrats are in my opinion the lesser evil. I'd rather work toward demolishing the two party system.

But things like universal healthcare aren't socialism. That's where this part of the discussion started. You called it socialism in hopes of that triggering some sort of kneejerk reaction to think that it's immediately bad. That's what I disliked about that particular comment.

You'll hopefully come to understand in the future that actually putting yourself in place of others and trying to understand their mindset actually makes it easier to argue your point. It also makes the discussion much more pleasant and furtile. If you dismiss every opinion that differs from your own, you'll probably end up in your own echo chamber, in your own bubble, with no differing opinions, no one to challenge you and thus no way to learn anything and to better yourself. Furthermore, you'll actually make it impossible to have discussion between different camps and to actually reach any kinds of compromises. This hinders both your personal growth and the progress of society. Both are things that most people think are something to strive for.

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If you are a Republican, you probably:

support a capitalist and/or free-market economy in which people are able to keep what they earn
want lower income taxes
want more power to states and local government
want a smaller federal government
believe that the nation should be how the American Founding Fathers wanted it to be
believe that money would go better towards employing people than giving them welfare
believe that the Constitution should be followed more strictly
believe that free speech should be protected no matter who is offended
believe that homosexual couples should not be given marriage benefits paid for by tax payers (does not necessarily mean banning homosexuality or gay marriage entirely)
believes that birth control should not be free
believes that abortion should not be aloud (often with exception for rape and/or risk of the mother's life)
believe execution is okay for serious offenses
believe people should be aloud to bear arms
believe that minorities are just like any other people and laws should apply to people of different racial groups equally

And Democrats disagree. If you think Democrats, that think Socialism, affirmitive action, collectivism and thus judging based on ethnicity, direct democracy which is mobrule, removing the first and second amendment, are in any way the ones that are the lesser evil, then you are delusional.

Your opinion isnt based on facts or goodwill. It is based on misinformation or blatant rejection of truth and what is good, which both showcase the inability to see the Democrats anything other than lunatics.

If you think Democrats are the lesser evil, but ignore the states UNDER democrats rule like California, which right now is a terrible state, youre delusional.

If you think the Leftist owned Mainstream media, which is evidently an insincere, fearmongering squad of propaganda machines, is anything other than that, then youre delusional.

If you ignore the history of Democrats which was from the start a sexist and racist party, while thinking the Republicans which fucking freed the slaves are a party only for the rich, youre delusional.

Take it like you want. I present you the facts. You can chose to ignore them, but then youre just like a Democrat in that sense. Everythings said.

So go inform yourself or let it be. You arent right when you try to present the Democrats as anything other than i listed.

[–]kawaiihawaiimogwaii1 point 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

The things you listed aren't objectively good. Also, some of the things listed aren't so black and white as you presented them. For instance "believe that the Constitution should be followed more strictly" is only partially true. Both parties prefer to cherry pick with what constitutional rights to uphold and which should be revised. All these things that some people believe would be good steps toward a better society. Truthfully I agree with some points, but disagree with others. Luckily I don't have to make a decision between the two parties though.

So to recap. The list you provided is of opinions of what society should be like. You can logically reach an either for or against conclusion to any point in that list. It just depends on what your ideal society is like and how you think is the best way to reach it. You still haven't provided any facts about which party is better for the people. Why? Because there probably aren't any. Same goes for the democratic party, mind you. It comes down to your personal beliefs, values and ideals.

If the examined our opinions independently from the party platforms, we'd probably realize we're much closer in our political afflictions than when asked to choose with this rather extreme difference of these two parties. That's the whole problem. Having to chose a side, prioritizing certain key points and making compromises in others. For instance, if the whole climate change issue is the most important issue (a deal breaker so to say) to a person, they pretty much can't vote republican.

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"My party"? Jesus, I thought we already went through that one several times. Are you going by "if you aren't with us, you are against us" thing? Are you a Sith? I can tell you it isn't just democrats who are against republicans. There are other sides too. I'll do more ice cream analogies: my favourite ice cream is vanilla. If I have to choose between chocolate and strawberry, I'd take chocolate. Doesn't mean I like it.

You do know that people can reach different conclusions based on the same facts. After all, that's what facts are. They are objective. And yet, based on a certain fact two people can make entirely different choices. You seem to think there's always a clear choice derived from certain piece of information. Do you think that everybody that disagrees with you is just crazy and deluded? Well, actually that is what you've been saying. I just can't quite wrap my head around someone actually thinking that way. The ego behind that line of thinking is astounding.

Let me give you an example. Two people are given the same fact: eating ice cream is bad for you (can you tell I like ice cream?). The other one decides they prefer to keep eating ice cream because the enjoy the little things in life but also decides that they will take extra care of their teeth and calorie intake/outake. The other one decides to quit eating ice cream as they maybe don't enjoy it as much and don't want to go through the hassle of negating the effects. Now, is either of them wrong in their decision based on this same fact?

You can easily extend this analogy to abortions for example. We all know the facts (or should at least). People just prioritize different things. There isn't one right answer. This isn't math.

It's a pity you only seem to see this "us vs them" world through your eyes. I can't imagine how frustrating it would be to think that you are surrounded by stupid and crazy people. I couldn't handle it myself.

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Title	Truth.
Author	Adolf-Skroatler
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Date	October 6, 2018 1:18 AM UTC (7 years ago)
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