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Another example of alpha fux, beta bucks

TheLowerBourg
June 28, 2013
25 upvotes
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Title Another example of alpha fux, beta bucks
Author

TheLowerBourg
Upvotes 25
Comments 38
Date June 28, 2013 2:22 PM UTC
(13 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/TheRedPill
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1h8z33/another_example_of_alpha_fux_beta_bucks/
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[–][deleted] 22 points23 points24 points 13 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link

Interesting topic, it's clear that she's not trying to be malicious or mean or manipulating to the guy, she just doesn't understand the situation. She practically said he would be perfect for her if he just took control.

Honestly, if the best friend would just randomly grab her and kiss her out of the blue and take control, her panties would instantly soak. He just missed his chance, about 1000 times.

[–]FAwhy 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Honestly, if the best friend would just randomly grab her and kiss her out of the blue and take control, her panties would instantly soak. He just missed his chance, about 1000 times.

I'm not understanding why this would work. He was already friendzoned hard, just going for the kiss won't get him out of it imo. Why do you think it would?

[–]captshady 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, he would need to alpha up more than just that. He needs to flirt with other girls when she's around, not kiss her ass like he has been, and THEN grab her and kiss her.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Because if he just took the risk and put it all out there, and made a move, he'd shoot out of the friend zone instantly. She likes him, but he's not leading so it's a non-starter if he doesn't make the first move.

Going in for a kiss WILL take him out of the friend zone, because she's stated that's all it would take from him, she even said she needs that spark to kickstart the intimacy, and he just refuses to do it.

[–]MartialWay 6 points7 points8 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well, if a woman said it, it must be true!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

fair enough

[–]TRP Vanguardscottishredpill 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think you're completely wrong, but he runs a high risk of rejection. How he reacts to the rejection would be critical. Being non reactive and rolling with it would be key, and he would have to try again.

[–]MartialWay 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Interesting topic, it's clear that she's not trying to be malicious or mean or manipulating to the guy...

I think you're giving her way too much credit. She was enjoyed having a cheerleader/lapdog/servant/backup, and doesn't want to give it up...and doesn't want to earn it either.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You can very well be right, I hadn't thought about it from that angle.

[–]MartialWay 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A lot of people act VERY innocent about the Friendzone, but most of them know exactly what they're doing and will give strategic shows of affection to keep their victim subjugated.

[–]anal_cyst 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

step 1. take girl to club.

step 2. open a set with her.

step 3. game new girl's in set to get her jelly.

step 4. number close new girl and nail her later in the week.

the first girl that friendzoned him is going to be jelly as all hell. from there he could either stay with the new girl he just nailed or get with the one he wanted in the first place.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Man, talk about a lot of work.

He could have just kissed the damn girl and saved a lot of time. He didn't need to make her jealous, he just needed to express his desire. If you read the thread you can see she thought he was good looking, so that's half the equation already solved.

[–]anal_cyst 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

she already knew he liked her though. if he went in for a kiss and the gina tingles weren't there he'd have been rebuffed.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

That's the risk he has to take. Clearly it will put the friendship at risk, but he lost that regardless anyways over time.

The gina tingles aren't there BECAUSE he didn't go for the kiss. Isn't that the whole point of this TRP thing? He's not trying to make her jealous or do some club routine, he just needs to express his sexual desire to her and THEN she'll get turned on. He hasn't expressed it so there's no attraction.

[–]anal_cyst 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

you don't get how it works. the woman sends the signal, then the guy leans in for the kiss. if she hasn't signaled interest first, she WILL reject him. not might. will. He would absolutely get blown out if he did what you're suggesting.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Hell no. You do NOT wait for a signal. That's bad, bad, bad.

He's a man, he has to create his opportunities. Of course there's a chance to get blown out, but that's not his concern. If he owns his feelings, his desires, and goes for it, she'll respond positively.

Every time I've been successful with women there's been NO signal whatsoever(even if there was I didn't know or care about it). I had to just go for it.

http://3rdmilleniummen.wordpress.com/2013/06/15/green-light-yellow-light-red-light-kiss-her-damn-it/

This highlights that exact topic of why waiting for signals is a bad idea.

[–]anal_cyst 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I'm not talking about an explicit signal to go in but a general IOI that she's attracted to him.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You're right. I'm just saying sometimes even those aren't there, and shit if she rebuffs his advances at least in her mind he's planted the seed that "Oh shit, this guy isn't afraid to go after what he wants." and that alone would be way more positive than just waiting for an IOI (sometimes).

I guess in his situation, the old saying "blow me or blow me out" fits perfectly.

Every situation is slightly unique, and I'm only speaking for this guy's case.

[–]anal_cyst 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

there's a difference between going to to kiss a girl that you aren't sure likes you and going in to kiss a girl that doesn't like you and says so. If she doesn't like you, going in to kiss her isn't going to magically make her like you.

[–][deleted]1 point 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Yes I agree, like I said I'm speaking in the context of this guy being referenced in the OP's post.

[–]TheJollySatan1 point 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

If he gets rebuffed he will get the clear rejection signal he needs to move on. This would have been a valuable lesson for him.

[–]captshady 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

step 4. number close new girl and nail her later in the week.

step 5. Have her smell his finger.

[–][deleted] 13 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yep.

I just know that the romantic spark isn't there.

If he had the red pill, he would know how to create this "spark".

It's not created by manipulation or being an arrogant asshole like the other side wants you to believe, it's about owning your sexuality and not being afraid to express it.

This story is exactly why women benefit from TRP as well. It's obvious she would love to have been in a relationship with her best friend, but he ruined it by refusing to present himself as a man.

Now he can't even be around her. Pretty sad.

[–]luxury_banana 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well more likely what would have happened is he would have not wasted his time, made his move earlier and dropped contact when she rejected him.

When women say they want those qualities in a man, what they mean is at the very least they want them in a man they are physically attracted to. This is why they are willing to shack up with guys that they call "assholes" or that actually physically beat them rather than guys who have everything they say they want but the physical end.

[–]MartialWay 8 points9 points10 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

it would be cheating both of us of something more...

More soliphism, it cheats her out of a devoted servant and backup, it doesn't cheat him out of anything,

[–]jngshin 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Reading the replies to these kinds of statements always makes my head hurt.

[–]capitan_caverna 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

nah. they are so confused. mostly lost in the "why? but why?" if you just knew a bit more about biology...

[–]FAwhy -2 points-1 points0 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

care to explain it here? I think i have an idea but I feel this sub could benefit from actually providing the answers on what to do differently or why a certain situation failed in more detail instead of 'he was beta''

[–]5 Endorsed ContributorStayinghereforreal 25 points26 points27 points 13 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Short version: I am banging an alpha, and my beta orbiter finally dumped me. Please confirm that I should recapture him in my sexually frustrating gravitational orbit again.

[–][deleted] 13 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

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[–]AlwaysLateToThreads 6 points7 points8 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

He's known her since he was 12 and didn't move on until he was 23. He's definitely one of the orbiters that sticks around too long.

[–]3MinuteHero 7 points8 points9 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

To be fair, no one knows what they're doing throughout the completion of puberty. Coming to your senses at 23 isn't all that bad, really. It's the precipice of adulthood.

[–]AlwaysLateToThreads 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is very fair.

[–]TheJollySatan3 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I've been there, had to join the military to gain the self actualization needed to realize what was going on. The bitterness he is expressing by cutting her off is him swallow the pill.

[–]Talkshitgethit 6 points7 points8 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I really don't see how this is alpha fux, beta bux. Friend zoned guy isn't even in the equation anymore, nor is he taking care of some alpha's baby. Bad for sticking in the friend zone, but smart for learning (eventually) and leaving the girl alone.

[–]3MinuteHero5 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

That's actually a good alpha power move by the beta, refusing to maintain contact if she's with a bf. You have to respect that. I'd be surprised if she didn't begin to develop an attraction to the "beta" after this move.

Edit: word

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not seeing the beta pays element here, but this is a good example of what happens when a girl gets used to your attention and then you suddenly withdraw it.

Women notice when someone disappears, and they can't help but want you back. If you want her, take yourself away.

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