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[–]abdada26 points27 points28 points 10 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link
Women will be women and men will be boys as long as they think women can be something they're not.
[–]Cr3X1eUZ1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link
So in other words: Don't hate the game, hate the player?
[–]abdada8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link
Anger mode isn't for players with Game. It's for guys who refused to accept reality and are now coming to terms with the years they've wasted.
Most guys who approach TRP end up in permanent anger mode because they absolutely refuse to fully swallow the pill. They spend years debating hypergamy and fearing learning to approach.
Or, worse, they focus on the falsehoods of TRP and believe so strongly in them that they think they'll never be good enough to even try.
[–]Fedupandlost[S] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Thus is where I'm confused though, what is the reality? Am I seeing what's not there or have women really gotten to the point that a "nice guy" is completely unvalued?
[–]oscyfx 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
When you come to terms with this shit, you'll realize there's only a few key behaviors involved when it comes attracting and dealing with women. The best thing you can do is learn to value respect, and not let a woman be disrespectful to you just because they have something you want. You've been bullied, so you know how it feels to be disrespected. Whenever a girl tries to do this and you get that gut feeling, you put them in their place and you walk away. This is much easier to accomplish once you internalize the abundance mentality. They might call you an asshole for not caving to their attempt to manipulate you, but they will respect you. Don't think of this as being a nice guy or not. Even nice guys with self respect don't allow behavior like that to continue.
Edit: I should have probably elaborated on the "put them in their place" thing, realizing that you're entering into the anger/hatred phase. When I say this, I mean to do so assertively, but not aggressively. The problem is, women will intentionally try to piss you off AT SOME POINT after meeting and talking to them. They start off being real nice at first, but then they'll try and stick a word-jab to see how you respond. Shit-testing, in other words. The ideal response is to not take it personally, realize what she's doing, and respond favorably. There's plenty of different methods: amused mastery, agree and amplify, to name a couple. But how you respond to that is crucial, and you will fail 100% of the time when you're still stuck in anger/hatred mode. Eventually, you'll realize that this is just their way of making sure you're not a whiny bitch, because, after all, if you can't take a little shit talking from a girl, what are you gonna do when some other guy tries to shit talk ya?
[–]abdada6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Thus is where I'm confused though, what is the reality?
Reality is that 200 or 2000 years ago, you would have made good fodder for sowing my fields or carrying stones to build a pyramid for me.
Am I seeing what's not there or have women really gotten to the point that a "nice guy" is completely unvalued?
Check the DNA data on fatherhood. Schlubs have always been schlubs. Nice guys were always bottom of the barrel -- go back 500,000 years into pre-homo sapien history and it was the same shit.
If you don't accept reality, that's fine. I'm happy to give you a minimum wage job and 200 channels on cable and a subsidized cell phone and you can work for me cradle to grave and teach your sons to do the same for my sons.
Or you can stop bitching about your past and step forward and learn confidence and charisma. Costs nothing.
[–]Fedupandlost[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Damn man, harsh but I get it thanks.
[–]abdada1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Touch of satire but I mean the gist of it.
[–]TruePill85-5 points-4 points-3 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Up until around the 18th Century and even today in some middle eastern countries , arranged marriage was considered the norm, so no, nice guys were not always at the bottom.
There is absolutely no scientific evidence for the THEORY of evolution, this seems to be the new religion of TRP
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
There is absolutely no scientific evidence for the THEORY of evolution
Hahaha good one! wait.. you're serious? Oh.. HAHAHA!
[–]abdada-1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Arranged marriages were market forces to combat poverty. Look it up.
[–]TruePill85-1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It certainly played a part, yes, there is much more involved. Over human history through modern times, the practice of arranged marriages have been encouraged by a combination of factors such as the practice of child marriage, late marriage, tradition, culture, religion, poverty and limited choice, disabilities,wealth and inheritance issues, politics, social and ethnic conflicts.
[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Provider traits aren't worried about as much anymore because no woman is going to starve to death. Especially when she's young and pretty. And they have pretty much complete control over when and where they get pregnant, and when they do, you are obligated (by threat of being locked in a cage) to pay for the child anyway, regardless of if the mother has any association with you at all.
So dominance, respecting yourself, being physically good looking and being on your shit - some of the only real traits women actually find sexy, are the only ones really in play in the SMP.
Adapt, or lose.
[–]Epicfaillord 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link
When I discovered TRP, I was in a LTR. I figured out she was cheating and nexted the fuck out of her. She kept calling my house until I told her in person to stop. I've told off my mom before when I read an amazing post about how marriages break down. I don't feel the need to prove this, but if I wanted a woman I would get one when and how I wanted it. Thanks TRP for being what you describe yourself as first and foremost.
Now I have several close friends. I'm an introvert by nature, but one of the things I love doing is giving these people TRP knowledge, and 2-3 already read up on TRP, and femenaziism, among other things.
The more I read up on women's nature, and the more I experienced it in real life through my observations of people's relationships around me, I just completely lost an interest in women. I consider myself an intelligent person. I crave mental stimulation, which women generally have exactly zero to offer. I've basically become asexual.
The point of this post is dismissing the falsehood that all men who dislike women are stuck in some sort of denial anger phase. Very few people will go through the trouble of women just to get a piece of ass. Some women straight up disgust me with their femenazi-induced ego complex. Many of them are fat and still expect some top dog. I refuse to validate women and I tell any man who will listen the truth.
If you consider that hatred of women that's you, but when men feel real hatred shit goes down. Its male nature to feel extremely powerful emotions. Its an evolutionary device intended to let men go haywire and kill predators and hunt prey.
Much like OP, I wish I could be gay.
[–]abdada1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
According to Kübler-Ross, you're in stage 4 which Kübler-Ross calls "Depression" but I call it "Indifference".
I changed up the Kübler-Ross model as these 6 stages about a man's attitude towards women:
[–]Epicfaillord 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Interesting.
I guess if this is accurate it'll show. Right now I'm raking in cash because I took initiative in high school and learned loads of useful things such as several programming languages in my free time.
[–]abdada2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
The Indifference phase isn't very long lasting but it's really important for the guys who hit it because you get to spend your energy enhancing your SMV.
The downside with excess Indifference is that most guys tend to slack on learning Game (charisma and confidence) and think it's all about money or fitness or talents.
[–]Epicfaillord 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
As cool as that sounds, it still doesn't increase my attraction towards women. With 18% and growing of the population being feminazi's I'm pretty certain that something is going to snap and change up the paradigm in the next few years.
20% of women have always been lazy attention whores. Look at Marilyn Monroe whoring it up when she had it all before she was planted for blabbing too much and doing too little.
[–]Redasshole6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
As a child I was bullied, abused physically and emotionaly/psychologicaly, suicidal and depressed. My feminist mother kept me inside to protect me from other men who were dangerous rapist, from all the dangers of the outside world and did her best to prevent me from getting a girlfriend. I spent all my childhood being locked in my bedroom and abused. I became overweight and developped almost autistic symptoms because I had to dissociate completely from reality in order to go through it. You could punch me, yell at me, I wouldn't react because I had numbed myself completely to reality. I would go weeks without eating more than a spoon of rice a day. I became fat anyway. I grew up without social interactions and a fucked up conditioning.
And I don't consider myself screwed.
[–]jaysire2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You're not screwed - you're just nowhere near ready for a long term relationship yet.
One of my favorite TRP terms is "Abundance mentality". It means getting yourself in a place where you get to pick and choose between lots of good women instead of the other way around (you have only one romantic interest and she has multiple suitors).
If at any point you feel like a relationship isn't measuring up for whatever reason, you need to know in your mind, you can find someone else in a relatively short time. IF you want to. Women will sense this and act accordingly (in your favor).
When you're at that point, you pick the best of your prospects and start LTR:ing her if that's what you want. You also have the option of never settling, so give that some serious consideration. Once you are the captain of the ship, you will command the respect of your woman and you will no longer hate her. She will be loyal for as long as you keep your end of the bargain, which is to take care of her and ensure no harm comes to her. To command the respect of other men around you, to be successful at what interests you and ambivalent about everything else.
Good luck.
[–]my_redpill_account1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Anger phase.
You'll get over it, I think I hated myself and hamstered it as hating women.
But at the same time, it was a bit of both. Takes a while to get over it, I'm still angry but as much as before. You just accept women as they are and stop caring so much.
[–]2ChainZinMedSchool1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
Here are some flaws in your thinking. You're receiving the wrong message from TRP, or you're just seeing the superficial.
1.Respecting women and treating them nice isn't what repels them.So then what repels them?
1a) when you respect them more then you respect yourself. eg. You put her on the pedestal. You look up to her like she's some goddess, You go to her for advice, Tou tell her your insecurities etc. 1b) when you treat her nicer then you treat yourself or others for nothing in exchange e.g. you're too nice to her for no reason, you think doing nice shit for her will make her want to spread her legs for you
2.No body likes "assholes", even guys don't like assholes. For some reason being an asshole is good thing on TRP, it's not. However assholes do have certain traits that make them seem attractive in the masculine sense. Assholes have backbones.
2a) Women don't want an "asshole" they want someone with a backbone and spine(so keep deadlifting lol :eyeroll:. Someone that stands up for himself. Someone that leads. Someone that will make the decisions for her. They want their Man to be rooted into the ground of masculinity. With his root's so deep into masculinity that even a drought or undead blight couldn't erode them. 2b) You want to find someone that you can be yourself around, but that as a goal makes no sense if you don't know who you really are as a person. If you don't know your "masculine self" then you can't be yourself. TRP is a discovery one's own manhood. It's the equivalent of a squire on his journey to become a knight/bad ass warrior.
3.Society, Government agenda, femenists etc will try to shove a script down your throat. They want you to follow that script so they can use you and take advantage. Taking the redpill is like saying, fuck that I ain't the side bitch in this play, I'm fucking main actor.
Women are feminine by nature, and there always going to be attracted to the masculine. Think of the Feminine as chaos. The internal equilibrium of the feminine is chaotic in the sense that they have no control over themselves, in exchange for their controls they're allowing themselves to feel free. Free to feel the extremes of emotions,the highs and lows.The highs of passion & love can be quite euphoric. The emotions of love and hate are extreme, so extreme that there's a fine line between them. One could say that they're two faces of the same coin, or in another way emotions are the different sides of 32 sided die. Well if the feminine is 32 sided die, what's the masucline? The masculine is the person throwing the die, the masculine the person who designed the die; what material it's made up of, how many sides it has etc. In a relationship you as the masculine are in control of the way she feels. She shit tests to see if your internal equilibrium is stable, because it's only in your stability/stoic-ness can you she feel free from her emotions and her chaotic world.
Besides internalising the sidebar, I suggest looking up to a successful male role model, joining a community sports team. Read some books by Senca and Marcus Aurelius. Read the way of the superior man. Go out and practice. Don't be scared of your failures. You can't fix years of behavioural brain washing in 1 month. It takes time, and little efforts, and I bet in years time, you'll look at this message and laugh. Enjoy your life, and have fun!
The best thing I've learned from TRP is holding frame. Holding frame is the essence of masculinity.
[–]Fedupandlost[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thank you for the further explanation I'll try to remember this.
[–]moosevice_dot_com 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Doctor's Prescription:
Number 2 is a no go with our puritanical government, not a fan of going to jail. Not gonna travel out of state and spend a bunch of $ to do it legally
[–]Dr_Killpatient1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Why are we constantly told that we should respect them and treat them nice when doing so repels them?
They do this, so they could separate alphas from the nice guy betas. It is a sexual strategy to identify alpha seed. Women don't like men who agree with them and who lack backbone to call them out on their shit (this is where the shit tests come from). This doesn't mean you have to become an asshole.
I feel I can't win unless I become the 'asshole' but this is so against my nature I'm not sure I can.
Here's the good news - you don't have to. Many guys have this black and white worldview: "I'm either a good guy or an asshole". This is incorrect, since there are huge number of shades of grey between those two, which means you don't have to be either. I recommend reading Robert Glover's "No More Mr Nice Guy". Buy it or torrent it - it's an eye-opening read and will snuff out your black and white worldview.
Mind you, there are some women out there who genuinely like assholes - these are women who usually end up in abusive relationships and marriages. Stay away from them, and let them reap what they sow.
Beginning to hate women...
A year ago I came to a realization that I wasn't going through the anger period, in the sense that I was beginning to hate women, but rather I hated myself for being oblivious and ignoring reality around me. I wanted to believe in the fairy tale and kept telling myself that the fairy tale was real. If it wasn't for TRP I would still be walking around while believing the fairy tale.
The anger will pass and the world will feel a lot like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYwdzYC3uUc#t=58s
[–]SlickBlackCadillac3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Your situation is not unique. What you've got going for you over all the other betas is that you've come to the right place.
Read the sidebar. Go monk mode. You'll look back on this post and chapter in your life and smile.
[–]scamper_222 points 10 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
You're not screwed. Look, you don't have to be an asshole.
Let's analyze this here.
You're with a girl who was with an asshole, but maybe he brought her tingles. You feel in order to win, you must become that asshole, which you don't want to be.
Well, here's a better option. Don't be with a girl... who was with an asshole. Does that exclude a lot of girls? Absolutely.
If you're a beta, you have to really protect yourself when it comes to women. Find a 'good' girl without a crazy past. That's where you need to go if you can't be alpha.
Hard to find? Probably. But you're not screwed... just screwing the wrong girl.
[–]1sardinemanR0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Do you get angry at a child for saying something stupid? What about a fast food or other cashier that screws up?
You might have an annoyance, but getting actually angry is pointless. These groups are inferior to you in every way, you can not hold them to the same standards or take them seriously at all.
It is a joke to think women are equal to men. For the absolute lowest functioning males, perhaps, but not if you are at least average or better, certainly not if you are a top 20% male.
Society fed you a lie about female agency and ability. You're here because you realized something was off, and if you're absorbed the material you understand you are superior to women. Now own up to it, and run with it.
Let the anger fall away and be replaced by pity and just start ignoring the idiocy of the female. You will get better and better techniques to work around it with practice.
[–]Kim_Jong_illuminati 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think only time will tell how you will turn out. I remember as a child I used to wonder why I didn't have special powers. I thought that I was innately good which I was but now as I get older I have become very cynical. Society has molded me into something very hateful.
[–]Do not send modmail to my personal inboxCrazyHorseInvincible[M] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Repost to /r/asktrp
[–]Rasalom720 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good.... good... Your hate makes you strong!
Now use it an either A) Get Darth Vader to turn on the Emperor, or B) Use it to Start Lifting.
[–]JohnDavidsonR 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is the anger phase. This is where all people who learn something about the government are hyper liberal, and think they're anarchists. For TRP though.... This is where you STFU, and try not to give us a bad name until you come around. You can start talking again when your thoughts about women are just like your thoughts about men, and that should be "well, hey, that's how they are" You're not captain save a ____ just let people be the people they are, and don't be the one to lose something because of that.
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[–]Fedupandlost[S] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Can't do it, dated a girl I was not that attracted to for 5 years, I can't even begin to fake it anymore.
Just be careful, girls between 27 and 34 are high risk of pregnancy.
[–]chiefelu0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Don't downvote this shit you guys, redpill needs this. Dude go to a doctor and get your testosterone checked. You will be more rough during sex if your T is higher.
[–]SadKuntVegeta1 point 10 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
All one can do is improve their LMS as much as possible. Thats really it. If after you do this, you enjoy the sexual marketplace, great. If not, fuck it and go MGTOW. Theres not much else to it.
If you think you can still improve your looks/money/status/game, then this forum along with some others are great resources. Once you've done all you can though, the only options are to then either where you are (maxed out potential/optimal version of you) in regards to your interactions with women, or just go your own way (MGTOW).
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