Hanging out with Muslim Immigrants

HurricanSam · 2014-08-01T13:13:43+00:00

In a traditional turkish household the son is the prince while the girls are housemaids, to be shielded from the outside until they get married

I find it a bit troubling how so many of these posts are blurring the line between gender roles and straight-up oppression. Women don't need to be "shielded" from the outside. Yes, men make more rational leaders in a relationship, that doesn't mean women should live the way Islam would dictate. They're still human with the same fundamental rights as men.

Submissiveness within a relationship should not be forced on women. It needs to come naturally as a result of a healthy environment. Anybody romanticizing an oppressive style of life, like the one Islam dictates, is clearly insecure about their ability to be a natural leader without resorting to cultural customs and violence.

Algermas · 2014-08-01T12:15:42+00:00

Couldn't agree more OP, im from the Netherlands and we have pretty much the same dynamic here. I always shut down any complaining about how "our" girls are treated badly by their Turkish/African/Moroccan boyfriends by stating the obvious: nobody is forcing these girls to date these guys, plenty of native guys sitting home alone studying for their degree in finance/engineering/IT

You wouldn't believe the amount of shit I get when stating this simple truth, hamstering all around.

Truth is muslims know women like no other, they're fully aware of female hypergamy and how to approach/treat women to get what you want from them.

MasterMH · 2014-08-01T12:39:39+00:00

This is very true. I recently started working with an African immigrant who's Muslim. Just chatting during a break he whispers "Why are all women in England prostitutes?" He didn't know the word whore.

Khadmutra · 2014-08-01T12:13:16+00:00

I asked Muslim second class citizens in the US the same question. Would they marry an American? Most of them said no straight away. Some cared to justify why not. They said any second class muslim citizen OR an american born girl who has been to college, spends a lot of time online, has feministic values ingrained in her mind is a big no no.

I know of a Morroccan guy in the midwest who married an orthodox christian lady and till to this day praises her to the hilt. Some of his words are : She wakes up at 4am and prepares breakfast and packs up lunch for him

When he is angry, she keeps quiet and speaks only when the storm has passed. She dresses decently and is happy with what he can provide.

He says, her sisters and she have been military trained by their mothers to do household chores and take care of younger siblings.

Other muslims don't mind venturing into Amish territories and trying their luck. Reason: Military trained women.

Just my 2 cents.

fapuffin · 2014-08-01T11:40:00+00:00

Good post. These are the type of ugly, but truthful insights I love about this sub.

The "this is just a big playground for me" frame must also make them very alpha.

MasterMH · 2014-08-01T12:43:48+00:00

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Anderfail · 2014-08-01T14:11:06+00:00

So a culture that is fundamentally against many Western values is somehow better? Are you fuckers that delusional that you would rather live under a muslim theocracy than in the West? Then fucking go there if having every aspect of your life controlled sounds enjoyable. The Muslim world serves the top 1%, everyone else is meaningless. Don't kid yourself, men in these countries are not free.

alibaba420 · 2014-08-01T12:06:28+00:00

you know what I am Muslim and I knew that most of you have a low opinion regarding Islam that is why I have never comment on redpill....just want to point out that working household chores doesn't make someone slave or housemaid.We respect our women but no matter how hard I try western women cant gain same respect or trust....they are fucking whores. I don't believe in equality but equity.Western women and their life style is one of the reason I am happy being a Muslim.

vandaalen · 2014-08-01T15:03:01+00:00

You forgot to mention that most of these fuckers also disrespect anybody who isn't a muslim and are indeed even making fun of the society which allows them to stay here as guests.

They are also mostly cowardish and sneaky and I actually trust not a single one of them. They can hold endless monologues on honor and such but this (in their mind) doesn't apply to any non-muslim.

I've been working in the kitchen for long enough to have seen how the process goes:

They arrive from their fucking small desert village and are too shy to even look a woman in the eye and will get red when they see them in the summer.
They meet some people of their culture who will tell them how things are running with the girls here.
They will endlessly sneak their way into girls pants by telling them lies, lies, lies and nothing but lies.
They will find an ugly, fat bitch and marry her to get a green card while keepng on with 3.
After enough time to be able to stay here they divorce and import a wife from their homecountry. This wife is often very open-minded and modern, but as soon as she comes here they will make her wear a headscarf in public, impregnate her over and over and shut her away the rest of the time while they go hanging in tea houses and start masquerading as the good muslim.

Lying, cheating and oppressing women isn't fucking RP. That's DT at best. I don't even blame them for it. It's our fucking liberal propaganda that allows them to behave that way and go full DT.

You might admire that, I don't. I am not willing to sacrifice my personal ethics just to get my dick wet. That's not what I have in my mind when I picture a real man.

scamper_22 · 2014-08-01T16:00:53+00:00

I always have a love-hate relationship with TRP and how many here have a love of Islam. I'm an ex-Muslim, so maybe I have a deeper exposure to the culture, but women in Islam are oppressed and the guys are as entitled as the most ardent feminist. There are men who expect to be obeyed as it is their Islamic right even though they don't work or do anything useful. They're not leaders or rational or anything like that. They're bums. no different from whales who expect to get a good man.

Yes, male bonding is quite strong, BUT it is equally strong in many other communities like Sikhism or heck... pretty much any ethnic group on this planet. There is nothing unique about Islam in this capacity.

Women do not need to be housebound, veiled in the niqab, or anything of the like. They do not need to be controlled to such an extent via force.

Even in terms of men, respect should be earned. Heck, I think TRP is opposite of Islam. Islam has more in common with feminism with all these rights being declared so just because it is written, when you haven't earned shit. Women think it is their right to be supported by their husbands. men think it is their holy right to be obeyed...

Feminism might be that you are entitled just because you are born with a vagina. Islam in many ways is the same as in your are entitled just because you have a penis.

Screw all that entitlement. Earn your keep. Earn that respect. If a women chooses to not be a decent faithful woman, then she won't get a husband or a family. that would be her choice. Or maybe she can sucker some idiot beta. But again, don't worry about her. Worry about educating yourself and your fellow man.

It is easy to see why Islam is appealing. It is an easy avenue to a way of life. Everything set according to rules. But let me say this simply. I'd rather live in the most feminist area of America, than live in Saudi Arabia.

Yes, things were lost on the West. Things were also gained. But they mainly have to do with a loss of masculinity and male role models and male brotherhood. You can have all of this without religion, oppression, or worrying about women. there is no need to suddenly jump to the opposite extreme just because you feel you have lost something.

Khadmutra · 2014-08-01T12:49:08+00:00

There are two trump cards a muslim guy has. (dread game per TRP) 1) The ability to marry 4 women as and when he chooses. 2) Initiate a divorce if he is not satified with the marriage.

Muslim women too can initiate divorce but their process is complicated and requires time and effort to look into whether the marriage can be salvaged or not. Again women are known to change their decisions by the hour so I am assuming that has been taken into consideration.

SpaceChris · 2014-08-01T12:01:03+00:00

German here as well. I partially agree with you. But: Do not mistake primitivity for red pill. I agree though, that their culture is male positive, which is of course a good thing. They also accept the instable female nature. That's why they don't even consider discussing important things with their wives. Car, finances, house - No place for feelz and hamstering!

Niemamnick · 2014-08-01T13:00:30+00:00

I know very well what muslim immigrants think of Western women and it's not pretty. If you see a muslim man with a Western woman, chances are he is just using her for sex, and isn't taking her seriously. I truly feel sorry for men who date and marry women who have been with a muslim. If a woman from a so-called civilized society where feminism is strong, and this woman is willing to debase herself by dating a 3rd-world primitive man then she doesn't deserve my respect.

Yes, I'm a racist and I am not ashamed to admit it.

By the way: the funny thing is, muslim women aren't any better. Many of them take it up the ass, but keep their "frontal" virginity intact. They marry as virgins, but they've done dirty stuff with men previous to meeting their husbands.

bgat79 · 2014-08-01T16:05:13+00:00

Sure, I could tell you some stories from Afghanistan of some "muslims" being honest about how they feel about women. The younger the better sub 13 y/o is the prize to be coveted. I wont be taking any relationship advice from pedophiles.

Purrmaster · 2014-08-01T15:39:10+00:00

I couldn't agree more.

Oh my god, did I hate the young, male Muslim immigrants when I grew up back in Europe. Many of them were really trashy people (it's not PC to say that but whatever, truth hurts), yet they pulled far more tail than the autochthonous population. I hated them for being more successful in something I considered "important", something that IS important. Indeed, I was a envious little blue pill beta. Thanks for ruining my youth, main stream media and feminazis.

Anyway, now looking back these guys were kings. They had no education, no future, but man, did they get a ride. Young, male Muslims that get a free ride on European welfare to bang the local women: I salute you!

cover20 · 2014-08-01T13:20:34+00:00

I visited "the middle east" (Dubai) briefly. It was very nice. Even though I am not Muslim, I felt an instinctive kinship with the guys. I think I would enjoy living there.

And as for the women, not much communication and half of them were covered in black with their eyes showing out a slit. That was strange to get used to, but it was OK. The rest were dressed respectfully and behaved normally. There was no cock teasing going on.

This post is right on.

trpthrowawaytrp · 2014-08-01T16:57:37+00:00

It's an extremely inferior, abusive, ego based, expression of Redpill. Worth observing but fuck having that culture anywhere near my country. Well it already is, seen enough about child abuse rings in the media where 13 year olds are drugged up, beaten and gang raped because all Western women are sluts. That example is right of the extreme end but it's where the lack of respect for humanity can take you.

bbidabbong · 2014-08-01T18:35:07+00:00

I am Croatian. Living in Germany for 3 years. So German girls: for spinning plates and sexships the best. Good looking, educated, smart, rich. And majority of German girls I met are sluts. Would I marry any of them? For fucking sake never, no way. They will use you and discard you in one dy literally. Tho have in mind I live in Frankfurt which is bout sex drugs and money. Maybe it is different in other cities.

Islam guys, they are completely different culture, they can not fit in society by western standards. I know few of them, regardless of completely other views on the world and life, they have some masculine traits as you mentioned. Male bonds and beards ftw.

Venividivixii · 2014-08-01T14:00:41+00:00

Sadly feminism is starting to take hold in Middle Eastern countries, and especially amongst Muslims living in the West.

For example, I've seen girls who wear Hijab (headcovering) but wear yoga pants at the same time. Serious case of cognitive dissidence.

They do it because many Muslims think that being successful economically like the West means that they should also imitate Western culture. While certain mindsets are beneficial to be adopted, feminism is a detriment to every society.

cover20 · 2014-08-01T11:50:22+00:00

the son is the prince while the girls are housemaids

In the West when this happens the girl develops serious daddy issues and turns into an uber-slut. In the Middle-East this would probably occur too, save for the fact you'd get honor killed. Lol

Khadmutra · 2014-08-01T13:18:14+00:00

I don't know. Muslim women are pretty slutty when they are away from home.

Tombstone31 · 2014-08-01T11:41:06+00:00

That's what black guys do, they bang white chicks but end up marrying black women.

I'm Hispanic and I'm into white women as well but I will never marry one. I will marry a Hispanic girl because they are good mothers, they can cook, clean and take care of their husbands.

kanaduhisfruityeh · 2014-08-01T16:54:36+00:00

In patriarchal Muslim societies women's sexual behavior tends to be tightly controlled (although it probably depends on the culture and family as well). That means men have limited access to women outside of marriage.

In the West, on the other hand, mainstream women have sexual freedom. Women from conservative Muslim societies don't have the option to be cumbuckets cause they'd get murdered by their relatives. But in the west, women can bang all the alphas they want with few consequences, and then maybe find beta bux to support them when they're 30 years old.

Sexual freedom in the West means that its hard to find an attractive young woman who will be a good wife. It is more likely you'll end up beta buxing a 30-something year old woman who wants you to support her after she's spent her youth banging other men. But it is easier for some men to find women for casual sex in the West.

In some Muslim countries, on the other hand, men can marry pubescent virgins who may be faithful and take good care of them. But the problem the men have is they don't have much access to women outside of marriage, a problem made worse by polygamy. That can cause men to turn to violence and/or homosexuality.

But when men from these cultures come to the West, they suddenly find they have access to a group of slutty, sexually free asshole-loving Western women. Western society has taught Western men to be unattractive beta males. So some Western women will gravitate towards asshole men from male-centered Muslim cultures who dominate them, treat them like dirt and use them as sperm recepticles before going back to marry their 13 year old home brides.

2014-08-01T18:47:30+00:00

Turkish guys in Germany are particularly detested by the Germans, and German girls have embraced US style feminism pretty whole heartedly, at least in major cities. They are like the Pakis of England, except there's even more violence and racism towards them.

You have to understand, if you're accustomed to or have memories of the women of Izmir (what the fuck is in the water there, 10s for days), Antalya, Kusadai, etc... and then you migrate to Germany and face racism from these pale frumpy city girls, you are going to accept the RP reallll quick. Not only do Turkish coastal cities have insanely hot women, 50-100 lira is going to get you a good quality Eastern European prostitute. 200 lira is like 150$ I believe and it's getting you an upper end escort for the night - it's basically accepted that men find a good Turkish homegirl and then hit the hooker bars with their bros every weekend.

Doing that is not necessarily how I recommend you to live, but it sure as shit will hammer out any tendency to ever pedestalize a western woman. Scandinavian chicks studying abroad come in hordes to Turkey and they want to do the cheap drugs that they think are badass back home. Once you have seen the nature of these western women, their hotness simply just doesn't mean anything anymore.

I'm just going to flat out say it, Izmir = most beautiful women in the entire world objectively. Done. It is like a mix of Persian / Aryan, Eastern European / Russian, and Greek aesthetics all rolled into one - and then combined with a healthy beach / fitness culture.

Niemamnick · 2014-08-01T14:36:40+00:00

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Title	Hanging out with Muslim Immigrants
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Date	August 1, 2014 11:28 AM UTC (12 years ago)
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