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I failed to maintain frame boys.

Dr_Nikk

January 4, 2015
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Title I failed to maintain frame boys.
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Dr_Nikk

Upvotes 23
Comments 102
Date January 4, 2015 10:59 PM UTC
(11 years ago)
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[–]Lt_Muffintoes 56 points57 points58 points 11 years ago (47 children) | Copy Link

Hope you're downgrading her dude. That is not mothering, LTR, or even main plate material.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (35 children) | Copy Link

It's really bad news. I don't know what to do with it.

[–]copralalic 40 points41 points42 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

There are few times you are allowed to seek comfort. That was one. She failed. She is not LTR material.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's harsh but I need to come to terms with that asap.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 17 points18 points19 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes you do. You know exactly what to do with it. You just need to do it now.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Pulling the trigger is the hardest part.

[–]pcadrian9 points 11 years ago* [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Dude he just told you what to do. Head over to RedPillWomen and see how LTR-worthy females behave and treat their man.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've been meaning to check it out. I might as well now.

[+][deleted] -9 points-8 points-7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They don't treat their men so much differently, they just understand why they're players, and that there's a game. It allows them to be more rational, but hypergamy doesn't give a shiiiiiiit.

This guy is right when he said that HE fucked up. They're all like that. All of them. Some will let you slide, none will let you slide far. Who died, your dad? You can cry, fuck, but an alpha is too busy slaying others to be a panty about it. So either need an emotional tampon once, or be an alpha in all moments.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Not even a hug dude? Cold as a bitch.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I told her and asked for a hug and she made this face until I moved away.

[–]1Dev_on 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Well, for me. If she can't handle feelings, than she doesn't get any. Dick or gtfo

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Here's an interesting point. We recently just started having sex again. When she gets depressed those gates close down.

[+][deleted] -6 points-5 points-4 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

None of them can handle feelings.... well, your feelings. You are a champion of men, what fucking feelings could you have except to decimate?

[–]1Dev_on 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It's not that. Imaging going out to a resturaunt every day. All of a sudden the Cook wants you to make him something to eat. Of course you'll be pissed.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You're the cook, she is the patron. Putting your feelings on her is like expecting her to cook in your restaurant.

[–]1Dev_on 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

thats exactly what I said, just from her perspective

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That helped me see it better. Thank you.

[–]goofylilwayne 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Honestly, get the fuck away from that. You cannot trust that soulless bitch. Fuck her and get yours but don't do shit for her. I'm sorry about your loss, bro. Hang in there

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, she has been there for me otherwise. This was actually a surprise for me.

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points-2 points 11 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Soulless... jeeze. lol

Are all women soulless? Do just the unicorns have souls?

[–]goofylilwayne 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I mean soulless not as a spiritual term but more as a synonym for a lack intellectual and emotional depth

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I get that, but I don't think any have the capacity to satisfy our idea of those kinds of traits. That's a blue pill thing. Unicorns

[–]goofylilwayne 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I don't think I'm quite ready to accept the idea that no woman is capable of empathy. Not really sure what you're talking about tbh. This dude's dad died and the chick he was with was totally unsympathetic. Like that is extremely fucked up on a human level.

[–]antariusz 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

No woman is capable of empathy.

Some of them are smart enough to fake it, to keep their man happy, to give themselves long-term provisioning.

Some of them aren't smart enough to figure that out, those are the ones you don't want to pass on your genetics with.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I have to disagree. Either all people are incapable of empathy or woman vary in the spectrum like men.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

He didn't die, he's "in hospital". Why does that matter?

"You going to cry every time you get a call about your father?"

I see you spitting the red pill out, it's like, stuck on your tongue and you're trying to force it out. All women are predisposed to be completely unsympathetic, compleeeeetely. It just behooves them to sympathize outwardly with higher value males. I'm willing to bet OP is not 2 points above her. That's why leaving her is a gambit, and she won't put up with his pussy shit!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You're correct he did not die. He was hospitalized. Also, It's arguable that I'm a better package than her. In better shape, working out every other day, and career almost set, 2 years of medical school left. It wasn't a crying situation. It was coming to terms with the fact my father is getting weak and old and may soon die. I wanted some damn comfort for that.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hot chicks are not here to comfort you, they are here to receive your gifts rendered from your vanquished foes.

[–]Lt_Muffintoes 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Oh I meant to say I'm sorry about your dad. It's really rough. I'm your age and I lost mine last year. If you can, talk with him as much as possible.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I've taken to calling him everyday. It's tough because he's always been a stoic guy. Calls rarely last longer than a few minutes.

[–]Lt_Muffintoes 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Have you tried telling him you're worried about him potentially not being around much longer?

Not doing that is my absolute biggest regret and I think will be for the rest of my life.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think he worries about death and doesn't really want to think about it. I'd rather just have our little talks daily rather than delve into that stuff. It wouldn't really change anything if we did.

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points-3 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Don't listen to numbskulls telling you that Not All Women Are Like That. They don't fucking get it.

Just don't let it happen again. She will forget and chalk it up to a one-off. No fucking crying, you pussy. ;]

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I agree that I shouldn't let it happen again.

[–]Lt_Muffintoes 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

NAWALT is there to protect men from girls like your plate, and to remind us to never slack off if we ever do find our "unicorns".

Women are so powerful today and quality women are rare enough, that men need to be extremely cautious.

This may help you

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Added it to my watch later playlist. Thanks bro.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Amen. Certainly not RPW material.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I respect RPW on an intellectual level, but don't assume you'd want to bang all or even a majority of them.

[+][deleted] -6 points-5 points-4 points 11 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

All women are like that. What don't people get about this?

'OH SHE'S A SLUT? Not good mother material.'

From my experience, sluts have a higher chance of getting pregnant. That makes them high candidates to be mothers. Were you looking for this woman to be your mother? How were you convinced until that final moment that it was OK? You can have a million babies, not all the mothers have to have their heads on right, that's not why you bang them.

That's why you marry them.

Rationalizations, all of it. She's a slut? No shit, that's why she didn't marry you first. They're all sluts, get it?

[–]frenchfuk 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

You seem angry, my friend. I didn't get to see the original post, but there definitely are girls who are better mother material than others.

From my experience, sluts have a higher chance of getting pregnant. That makes them high candidates to be mothers

This makes no sense.

You can have a million babies, not all the mothers have to have their heads on right

Perhaps so, but how do you know she's not going to get the kid? In the best case scenario you split him/her 50/50. Don't you think she just might raise a fucked up kid, or make it harder for you to raise it right?

No, man. Don't have kids with sluts at all, too big of a risk. Wife material does exist, it's just more difficult to find. And I think it's getting even harder with time, seeing how fucked up kids are these days.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think he's arguing against most mothers being motherly. Sluts are most likely to be mothers and at the same token unlikely to be motherly.

[–]frenchfuk 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah, that makes sense. Didn't understand it in that way.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Did you see the movie "Pretty Woman"?

Instead of trying to find a unicorn, assume they're all horses and don't expect any to fly.

[–]frenchfuk 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

No, I have not seen that movie. I understand where you're coming from though, and I agree. There are no unicorns. And by the way, a flying horse is a Pegasus, not a unicorn.

Anyhow, you still seem angry to me. AWALT, indeed. But they are still people, and every person is different. That you can quite easily figure out and predict how they are in most aspects, is another matter. I can go on and make this a long post, but I'm sure it would be nothing new to you.

I kind of figured out what the original post was about, partially thanks to your comments. And there's so many variables. I can tell you that not all women would do this. OP's plate/gf doesn't seem like LTR material at all. Perhaps you yourself have had some bad experiences with girls in the past, or maybe it just seems to me like you're upset with women for some reason. Doesn't matter, this is the last comment I'm making on this post. What happened to OP was fucked up, but it could have been prevented. I'm sure he learned his lesson, not much more we can do here. Have a nice day.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not angry, I am cynical. I am applying financial techniques that evaluate.. value.

From a market perspective, either the chick is going to be a 10 and not put up with any pussy qualities, or the lower down the smv scale you go, the more empathy you can expect.

Definitely, not all girls are cold, soulless bitches. Just the mega hot ones.

And a pegasus-unicorn flies, so some subset of unicorns do too..

[–]Lt_Muffintoes 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

And drunks are good candidates to be in car crashes. Does this make them good mechanics?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You don't need a mechanic, you just need someone who doesn't fly off the road. All females are bad drivers.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 13 points14 points15 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Had a very similar experience. After a gruelling weekend with a terminally ill parent and a six hour drive (I drove because she was tired) I got repeatedly shouted at for sitting on the sofa instead of helping her cook.

She got nexted - they don't get any better with time.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good lord. That would piss me off to no end. I was talking to this girl once. She was pissed that I had decided not to have sex with her one night. Honestly, didn't feel like it. I think she felt I had chosen another girl over her, which was true. She chewed me out the next week! It was right after I had driven 4 hours and wanted to switch out.

[–]let_terror_reign 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Fuck that man. Downgrade. This isn't you being pissy. She's a bitch. You should do better.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Here's the thing, this is the first time something like this has happened. She's been there for me otherwise in any other fashion. Her family even regularly get me gifts, connections, etc.

[–]ModMachiavellianRed 16 points17 points18 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Downgrade her to plate she's an emotionally selfish cunt who gives no fucks about you.

[+][deleted] -7 points-6 points-5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If they're not eternally just a plate, I think frame is necessarily lost when they become furniture. You must compromise frame to enter into that kind of arrangement. It must happen. When do they ever legitimately give a fuck about any men? Their giving a fuck is not what we want it to be or think it is.

If you ever marry a woman, it's going to be a sham if she isn't picking the decorations to your bedroom.

[–]Pithong 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Do you have any emotional outlet for what's going on with your father? Or are you going to just have to "turn it off" until some later date?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

I do not have an outlet for this and don't even have time to drink anymore.

I attempted to clear my mind with hobbies but due to time constraints with medical school I don't have time for even that. Additionally, I don't think riding motorcycles while emotional is a good idea, haha.

[–]1Dev_on 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Just give it time. When mine died I didn't react until I was in feint of the coffin... I went and had my moment in private. Took three years to talk y about and keep composure.. That's when I dealt with it.

Time and privacy. Alcohol if just dwelling in things, feeding off the emotions.

Way I thought of it, everyone hours through it eventually, I, as usual, got the bad news early (18). Just be ready to Sir on people who treat their parents badly after that

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Damn man. Sorry to hear that. I'm really slow to react to these things. I don't want to say I'm in denial but it feels as if I don't get hit with it until later.

[–]1Dev_on 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You won't, and it's pretty normal. Most people here talk about compartmentalizing and showing vulnerability when you're able. Think if it that way

[–]MrFission 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Make time, seriously. Get your best buddy and hang with him for a night, drink till you puke and talk it out with him. I didn't have a harsh blow to myself such as you do, but this is the way I deal with the big problems that arise. Your best friend is pretty much the only one you can turn to, as I guess the rest of your family is not well, too.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You know I never take advantage of good friends like that. I really should. One of my best friends was super pissed the last time I didn't tell him I was the dumps.

[–]MrFission 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's what good friends are for... apart from the fun, ofc ;)

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points-3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You should smoke some weed.

[–]QQ_L2P 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

You're absolutely right, always maintain frame. There are people here telling you to expect compassion from a woman, however I would day don't hold out. Women do not understand male grieving, they expect them to suck it up because nobody wants an emotional captain at the helm.

Talk it out with your buddies and maintain frame with this chick, you've seen it for yourself. She is definitely plate status now.

[–]copralalic 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Giving a guy shit for being sad when his elderly father is in the hospital isn't human. She's a shitball. You did say plate her, though, and I think we all agree with that.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd even say P&D so the succubus knows her place.

[–]QQ_L2P 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Females require a certain level of breeding (social conditioning) to keep their hypergamy in check. She obviously hasn't had that and nothing in today's society tells her what she is doing is wrong. She is just going by her programming, expecting anything else is wishful thinking.

Expecting females to show compassion is like filling a bucket full of cement and expecting it to float. No matter how many times you repeat the experiment, you will always get the same result. IThe only person you can truly rely on is yourself (and perhaps some trustworthy male compatriots). But expecting it from the average female in today's society is beyond foolish.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That first paragraph is fantastic. That really clears up some of my other relationships.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 11 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

Ding ding ding ding ding. I am worried not enough people know what the fuck they're talking about here now or anymore. I have to dig for the evopsych truth of the matter, I am glad I found you though. How many normal freakin girls have these people nexted out of fear that she's not their unicorn? LOL.

"NEXT!!111", please children, guhhh

"I'll find a bitch that lets me cry all over her vagina when MY father dies". what tards

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I am beginning to dislike your comments.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This wasn't to you, I feel you handled it the best you could. It was to all the people telling you to irrevocably dump her and to find a unicorn who won't be ice-cold. They pretty much want you to find a lower smv girl!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh okay. I gave up on the unicorn idea long ago.

[–]hadroncollisions 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Don't bottle that shit up, keep in mind drinking is a temporary (effective) bandaid. Find someone other than her to talk too. My mom was sick and I made a very similar mistake.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Drinking is fucking poison. It's only good for not dealing with shit, and being with others socially who can't deal with their shit as well.

[–]MHOOD01 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You suggested smoking weed in a previous comment, so you're gonna say that doesn't help you not deal with shit either?

Not only are you a liar, but you're a hypocrite as well.

The irony in your username.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It makes you think, alcohol puts your ass to sleep. Show me one successful drunk who isn't a pariah.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If we follow this line of logic, everything is a poison that slowly kills you. Simply being alive will slowly kill you.

It is my personal belief that smoking anything damages your lungs. There are simply fewer studies in reference to marijuana versus tobacco because there is yet to be a massive industry for it to be around.

Personally I have nothing against marijuana and do indulge every six month or so. I just prefer alcohol in moderation as I don't have to worry about drug testing or any objection from older people or uptight individuals.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Fuck her. And fuck her well. When she starts loving it, drop her and tell her it's because you need to deal with your father. Then be seen with other females.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

"We're breaking up"

"WHAT WHY!?"

"I wanted to cry about my dad dying but you were a bitch"

"..." [except to her friends she calls you a poose]

And guys don't know how to fuck girls well, that's part of the problem. Guys don't know how to please girls in ANY fucking way, sexually and emotionally, whatever!

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Who cares what she says to her friends. The bitch needs to be left.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That wasn't my point. The revenge scheme will leave her with a rationalization that he's a poose anyway because he couldn't deal with his shit.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Who cares what she thinks .. that's my point

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

I hate how women fail to see pain. Nothing hurt me more than when my ex told me that she had to think of herself first and foremost. I didn't even matter to the bitch.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 15 points16 points17 points 11 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

Nothing hurt me more than when my ex told me that she had to think of herself first and foremost.

Their love is so conditional that you have to soft next them when shit goes down. They'll insist on being involved, but they'll make everything worse. Women demand psychopathy in intense situations. They respond well to it. I've experimented around with flipping emotions on and off and I've found heartlessness is interpreted as strength by them, and normal emotional responses no matter how mild are interpreted as weakness. Women rely on us so much that when we have problems they're thinking "shit, who do I rely on now?!?!" and it becomes all about them and the shit they're in. They completely ignore your problem, they're focused on the fact that you having a problem causes them a problem because they are so reliant on your strength/ability to provide physically/emotionally. So rather than actually help you through your shit, they lose their shit instead. Take the "most responsible teenager in the room" principle and apply it to this. If you were a little kid (teenager seems too generous to be honest) and your parents were crying, you'd freak out and cry too. That's how women treat men who are showing weakness.

I believe women are pathologically selfish to an extent men are not. This is the darker side of their weakness and dependence, they're too weak to afford loyalty. If you think about it from an evo-psych perspective, it makes sense. Men are the experimental sex and stronger/superior to women in most ways, they can afford to take risks, are inclined to take risks and will probably survive if they fail. Men take more risks than women and are more likely to survive when taking a risk, hence men developed loyalty as an experimental mechanism. If betrayed, men would probably survive and have the logic to reason things out emotionally. Yeah they'd be damaged, but they could fight physically and reason psychologically and survive to see another day. Basically in a cost-benefit through man's evolution - loyalty turned out to be something worth keeping. Something that worked more than it failed (hence why we're not all DT and DTs are tops 2% of the population.)

Women on the other hand have less T so take less risks, they would have evolved in such a way that risk taking women would have been weeded out via natural selection due to their physical fragility. Being faultlessly loyal and risk-taking would have led to more women being killed by predators/men from enemy tribes because shorter legs = cannot outrun predators, weak musclature = cannot overpower predators. Hence women evolved not to take risks and to play it safe, to stay in groups (as we see them when they all fuckoff to the toilets) and they didn't develop loyalty but in it's place "pragmatic trust." They developed "attach yourself to the strongest man in the area and play it safe as fuck." If there were no strong men, they'd befriend the women and form a group, the bigger the better (safety in numbers.)

Note how most women are more superficially charming than men too. You need that kind of skill when you're weak as fuck and want powerful people to like you. You have to be able to "woo." Really, looking at women, that's what they specialise in. Women don't specialise in strength, they specialise in appealing to the likes and desires of those who are strong. They win people over and get on the winning team and keep a close eye on ensuring they stay on the winning team. Modern women only know how to "woo" with their bodies, but women of the past knew to "woo" with their personalities too. Again I think this is why women put so much energy into being fake, most women past their bullshit persona just aren't likeable people. So to get people to favour you, you have to pretend you're likeable. Do your shitty upward inflexion, pretend to be sweet and care about crap and yadda yadda. Woman's intrinsic need to make herself at least SEEM desirable both physically and psychologically is a survival mechanism, women aren't built to hunt/do life alone. WOMEN NEED RELATIONSHIPS, ESPECIALLY WITH MEN, TO SURVIVE. Please refer to the RPW hinting of this: "the rock in her storm."

A tiny minority of RP women will suck it up and help you back on your feet emotionally if something bad happens. Even they can only manage that for a short period of time though. They don't enjoy it, they hate it, but they do it because logically "they know it's the right thing to do." Those are the keepers, but you can't lean on them, the moment you lean on a woman due to emotional weakness sand begins trickling from an hourglass. That's measuring the amount of time you have left until she leaves your ass. These women will fuckoff too, even though they are quality. Bitches want an alpha, if you're down for too long you're essentially not alpha anymore. You can't lean on any woman who isn't your mother and some mothers are cunts too.

It's sad. It's sad because as men, we are inherently idealistic and because we are capable of loyalty, we believe women should be too. But they're not, generally speaking bar the few anomalies out there. It's fucked up but it is what it is. Very very few ride or die bitches out there. Women are opportunistic to a fault. Their love is completely conditional, conditional to the point that you should treat it like a job contract. It could all blow up tomorrow if you can't continue to be what you were when you first got the gig. This is why marriage is a scam if she's not legally locked into it. This is why you need a tight knit circle of bros, they won't look at you as lesser for going through shit and not dealing it with like a psychopath. That's where you'll find human compassion and support. From other men. Funny how we're taught all our lives men are the cunts and women are the soft ones. Haha, what perversion. They couldn't be more wrong.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Your writing here is absolutely fantastic. I think a lot of my pessimism comes from the realization that I was far too idealistic in the past. I was sold that dream of true love, loyalty, etc. and was disappointed when it was false. I just need to come to terms with the fact that I need to maintain composure at all times and bare weight on my shoulders.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Your writing here is absolutely fantastic.

Well thanks for making the thread because it's what got my creative juices flowing. I think I'll elaborate upon what I've written here and make it my next blog post.

I just need to come to terms with the fact that I need to maintain composure at all times and bare weight on my shoulders.

Get quality/loyal male friends and it won't be all doom and gloom.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Tactical use of the softnext, ooh this is juicy! Get that bitch out of there or she will see that one damn tear you'd have to claim was caused by an eyelash. You're good.

The chief might even KILL his father to become the reigning champion. What does the woman care except for her outcome? All these guys crying about not being able to cry have to get with the program.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

All these guys crying about not being able to cry have to get with the program.

Yep. There are many layers to the red pill. Whoever has experienced this and now understands WHY has just gone through another layer. Knowing all this, it's why the idea that "men need to open up more" as touted by feminists has got to be one of the biggest society-wide shit tests EVER.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh fuck all of that. I dated one girl who tried to force me to only mess around with her and at the same token wanted to mess around with me and this other guy. Her line of reasoning was literally, "I love both of you." It was literally the most asinine thing I've ever heard. Broke up with her that week. Three years later I'm at a party and one of her gfs tells me she wants to talk in the back room. Totally wrong place to do it but hell I was in a good mood and had all I could drink around so I went for it. At this point I was messing around with all the girls I wanted, was a little notable on campus due to fraternity activities, and was set for post-grad activites. Well, she blabbed on and on about how she missed the good times and she still loves me and all this bullshit after she had just spent 3 years riding the CC. She then asks me if I still love her. It took everything in me to not laugh at her. That's what she wanted to ask this whole time. I said no, went back to the party while she called in her gfs to sob on. She was a very dumb girl.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I was feeling weak and asked for a hug and some care and instead of receiving any I was chastised for it.

What a horrible, unsympathetic person. This is one of those times I believe it is acceptable for your frame to falter (as long as it doesn't degrade for too long), and one of the times she should step up and support. We don't ask them to do it often. She failed.

Plate her ass or ditch her entirely. Me, I would next her.

[–]the_red_scimitar 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

I've discovered women are absolutely NOT the source of care, solace, and comfort that their Disney reputation makes them out to be. They are cold, heartless, and generally "care" as much as their self-interest requires.

There are a few who absolutely are this caring type -- until they aren't, and that appears also to be entirely based on self interest, hypergamy, etc.

Sorry, boys. We're gonna have to be grow up all the way.

Edit: A long time lover and, I thought, close friend, whom in August I took care of after an operation, has been almost totally silent during a 5 day high-temperature event recently. The reason: Too occupied with a guy. Now, we're both non-monogamous, and both of us having multiple relationships is normal and not a big deal. Her being uncaring seems to be something new since finding this particular guy, moving in within about a month of forming their relationship. Now she apparently is being "good". She sometimes reads my posts. Hello, AWALT girl. Glad you found your BB.

[–]daredcan 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That wasn't your fault dude. That's just basic human decency which all people should have to a at least a minimal level. I've gotten hugs from girls before if serious bullshit has been going on in my life. It's not like you were even needy, she just has some serious mental problems.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, it was such a weird response too. Out of the norm for her.

[–]TekkomanKingz 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Find a Bro to console you and keep her as a plate.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Definitely, I hit up a few of the homies.

[–]loin_fruit 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

God damn women are just like cats. Give them too much attention and they claw your ass no matter what you've done for them. Feed them and house them.

But as soon as you quit paying attention to them, they come back and start rubbing up against you begging for attention.

Send the girl down to plate status mate. She isn't worthy of anything more.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

For sure. Just like cats they like to come by when you don't want them around.

[–]loin_fruit 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When you're trying to enjoy your time right after work and eat that fucking steak. Those bitches always come around.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You sound surprised? What you label as ''maintaning frame'' is just another word for the bs you do to pretend not to be a human being. Those who lack humanity respond.

I say it's wiser not to maintain frame and not to maintain the person you feel the need to maintain frame around.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Interesting but I worry that most people will react this same way.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I honestly hate reading "MAINTAIN FRAME" posts because they are always long, and just their nature of "why am I such a bitch, if I only maintained frame!"...

They're useless diatribes of why a date failed. This is different, this is talking about just how fucking ice cold that shit is. And it's short. I learned something.

I had Rollo's 'even when you're sick you can't be a puss', but it makes sense that your tree must not be shaken, ever the fuck ever.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

For sure. That's a good saying. I'll try my best to memorize it.

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