Its time for a realistic discussion about Beta-Males and misuse of the RedPill/MGTOW philosophies

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Piroko · 2015-11-05T22:25:29+00:00

most of you guys are fake as shit

Including yourself.

At a first read my impression is that you have insecurity issues. But please, do tell. Exactly what was it you were thinking to accomplish with this post?

stonepimpletilists · 2015-11-05T23:13:11+00:00

If you want a realistic conversation, focus on the "so what?"

Very few in here do so. Anything else is just critique, anyone can do that.

Also, your timing isn't exactly the best, mods are on the hunt.

SarsaparillaCorona · 2015-11-05T22:37:27+00:00

Ever heard of the "No True Scotsman" fallacy? That's basically what you're arguing here, that unless you're an alpha from birth, you will always be a beta fuckboy and should just accept it.

Always ask yourself when posting things here, does the content and message of the post help people to become a better, more informed man? No? Post it as a rant, because that's all this is.

RAPTOREXPLOSION · 2015-11-06T02:55:12+00:00

handle this topic like men

Handles topic like a child

-Luthe- · 2015-11-05T22:42:03+00:00

2/10 needed more neckbeard and fedora insults.

Profdiddy · 2015-11-06T00:30:06+00:00

The truth is somewhere in between. This is rehashed nature vs. nurture talk. Genetics PhD here to chime in. Environmental influences from the moment of conception coupled with epigenetic influences from recent generations crossed with cultural influences bent over by peer group influences buffered by self directed learning spanked by head trauma. You get the picture. Any lasting change in behavior takes years of learning. The youthful brain is more plastic but we are all capable of change. This is of course constrained by genetic factors but genetic determinism is widely discredited these days. Even the events of your own life alter the epigenetic modifications of your genes meaning your life history gets passed on to some extent. Can everyone be Chad Thundercock? No. That doesn't mean that someone with borderline blue pill personality disorder can't find inner peace, success, game and confidence. If that outcome isn't alpha then idk what is.

hebola4lyfe · 2015-11-06T00:38:15+00:00

I find it ridiculous how you don't seem to understand what IQ means.

When you brainwash males from birth , it doesnt mean female have higher intelligence. You are dumbing down males on purpose to make females seem smarter. In reality , females were not subjected to being feminized and betafied their whole life.

Triple_Overdrive · 2015-11-06T01:23:29+00:00

So what you're saying is that we're born beta and there's nothing we can do to change it. Women will treat us like shit our WHOLE LIVES, might as well get used to it. So the OP is going to work a shit job, have shitty relationships or no relationships and he's gonna sit there being perfectly content now that there's nothing he can do to change it. He was just born this way. You go lady gaga.
You know what a TRUE loser is? It's not the discontented guy who has a crappy life and knows it. It's the happy loser who is able to be happy with a shitty life because they truly believe change is impossible.
If there's one thing I hate, it's a happy loser...

fifteentabsopen · 2015-11-05T23:21:45+00:00

Real Alphas get MONEY from women, not numbers

The new alpha male...

"Hey lets connect over coffee...what's your number, no wait give me $100".

Determining an alpha male based on what he gets from women is missing the bigger picture - would you not agree?

Troll_Name · 2015-11-05T22:06:44+00:00

Lesson learned: there's a fortune to be made in parting fools from their money.

RememberingAlpha · 2015-11-05T22:20:04+00:00

I work for a consulting firm that sells learning solutions based around emotional intelligence. I am one of four men in an office of 53 women. I am the only heterosexual male.

Confirmed, emotional intelligence is rare. I will contest that it does not cause you to move on quickly from relationships. I can interpret, manipulate, and speak in emotions with these women (power talk abundant) but it does not change the way I FEEL about a given situation.

tb87670 · 2015-11-05T22:22:27+00:00

I had a bout of oneitis with my first plate and admitted it a bit, walked a week later when I saw her attempt to put me in orbit. I do think I am red pill now, I'm new at it but I already tamped down oneitis and walked away clean. And I don't feel so bad about it like I know my old blue self would have.

Red pills can be made but only if they realize that something is not quite right with the illusion put in front of their eyes. You cannot help ones that are too deep blue. I was a beta and I'm on the way to becoming an alpha as a goal, losing lots of weight and building up my muscles a bit on the way. It's hard but I'd rather die than go back. At least with the Matrix for Cypher going back meant ignorance was bliss, when it comes to TRP ignorance is being single, not getting laid, getting walked over by everyone, and in general just being miserable. Can't go back.

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tallwheel · 2015-11-06T04:20:52+00:00

Oh god, you're right. All us betas here are wasting our time trying to improve our lives at all. Let's just shut down the whole sub and stop trying to do anything about our problems. In fact, why don't we all just go kill ourselves?

awakened_zoan · 2015-11-06T01:57:21+00:00

It comes in cycles. Just wait it out OP. Hopefully the quality posts will resurface.

insickness · 2015-11-05T23:17:42+00:00

Great post. It's sad that you're getting downvoted because it is rare to see a post on this subreddit that disagrees with the usual shit that shows up on here.

Way too many guys on here think they are alpha after reading a few articles and 'seeing the light.' They may logically understand the concepts but have very little actual real-world experience implementing them. It's like a professional basketball player talking about the principles of basketball and everyone else saying, "Yeah! And here's what else you need to do...!" Case in point: whenever a guy talks about any trouble he is having with women, there is a chorus of betas shouting, "Next her!!!!" That's their solution to everything.

being a beta is an incurable condition.

Having 'worked' on myself for over ten years in this and similar communities, I don't totally disagree with this. Beta guys can adopt alpha tactics and use them to their advantage, but he (and I include myself in this) will never truly be able to read women the way an alpha can. Like an autistic person learning how to have relationships with women, he can mimic the tactics of non-autists, but he will never truly be able to understand emotions in other people the way the rest of us can.

He has emotional and social IQ, whereas most men have neither. In many ways his sexuality is more similar to the mind of a woman than that of a man. He gets tuned off instantly (like women do), tolerates very little disrespect, and doesn't linger over past relationships. Women can lose attraction to a man in an instant, so can an alpha.

This is correct. I have witnessed this first-hand. They can read women's emotions like a book and are extremely sensitive to power discrepancies just like women are.

There are alpha males who beat their wives

Not every alpha, but yes, they do tend to be scumbags.

I'm talking about black pimps in the U.S, men who get tens of thousands of dollars from experienced hookers,

Yes! Pimps are the most alpha dudes out there. They can barely operate a computer but can control women like they have ESP.

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Its time for a realistic discussion about Beta-Males and misuse of the RedPill/MGTOW philosophies

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Title	Its time for a realistic discussion about Beta-Males and misuse of the RedPill/MGTOW philosophies
Author	Eugenics2015
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Date	November 5, 2015 9:58 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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