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[–]abdada10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
She only talks to you means you give her too much time. Dread game.
She won't sleep with you because she knows you're always available (boring). Dread game.
She genuinely likes spending time with you -- what do you do together when you are together?
Dread game, more dread = more sex = more displays of love.
[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Well she doesn't just want sex, but that ducking contradicts her last relationship, even though they were connected only though sex.
He was a major dick though, got what he wanted and broke it off I guess.
We just chill and cuddle when we're together.
[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Looks like you're very soon going to be an orbiter.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yup. That's why shit has to change. Where do I start?
[–]Wel1083 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Read. For the sake of the argument, stay in your relationship, and test this out. I'll give you a starting point.
Begin working out hard, eat healthier. Get your own hobbies(not video games) things that are outdoor are better. Hang out with friends more, make some if you have none. Put a genuine effort and not making your life around hers. It's not about being an asshole. It's about being masculine, thing is, assholes are naturally masculine. Find enjoyment in your life outside of her. It's never about women, if she's not providing or bringing value into your life then next her. Even if that value is just sex. Som
But try doing those things, see if it helps. Then decide for yourself.
[–]The-Ban-Hammer2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Women say they "don't only want just sex" with the guys they really don't want to fuck. Oh, they'll fuck you after you shower them with attention and do their dishes, and buy them shit, but it will be the shitty "This is all I ever did with my ex" bullshit sex, because you know she was fucking him in the dirtiest ways without him ever buying a thing.
Damn...
Well she was only emotionally connected to her ex through sex and fucked him most of the days in a week for like 2-3 months during the summer.
We have school now, she has work, responsibilities, and both are houses always have people. I lost my virginity in her car, raw-dogging her and she was upset afterwards because she said it was like a senseless hookup. We fucked 3 more times in her car, and once in my house when it was finally freed up.
So I understand why she hasn't fucked me that often because it would literally just be car sex, and paying for a hotel isn't in our budget (mine at least). But I do get the point, if she really wanted to fuck me, she'd find ways and do it everyday?
It might also be that I lost my virginity to her and her ex was much more experienced than even she. This just fucking pisses me off though, even though it's logical from her side. She says she really does love me, and did t think she could love someone as much as she did her Ex. Also, we're both parting soon due to school/humain aid work (her) so I probably won't ever see her again in a month.
[–]The-Ban-Hammer1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Words vs actions. If you learn nothing else from this sub, don't ever stop paying attention.
They'll say they want more than just sex, yet fuck the guy who just wants sex and tell the guy in the "loving relationship" that "there's more to life than just sex."
Forget her words. Are the you the guy whose shoulder she rests her head on or the guy whose lap gets her head?
[–]yaysmr2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I'm an emotionally mature guy and have been very good to her, and she knows that and loves me for it...but I honestly just wanted a bitch to fuck and take to prom because my first 3 years of high school have been consumed with weed and gaming.
Simple question: would you be able to walk away from the relationship and having almost NO emotional attachment left?
I mean, literally walking up to her, saying 'we're through, pack your shit and get out' out of the blue, and not having to choke back tears? If you hesitate for all but a second, then NO, you are not 'emotionally mature.' You're stable, but your stability is conditioned on having your self-worth or whatever validated by the apparent affections of this woman.
And if that is the case, she senses that. She knows that she has your commitment due to your emotional investment alone, and the fear of the pain of losing her keeps you around without sex. Maybe she genuinely likes that about you. But at this point you are sacrificing your own happiness for hers. And here's the key:
TRP is ABOUT putting your own happiness first. That is why you should adopt it. It gives you the tools to become happy and to achieve YOUR goals and not subordinate them to others who don't have your interests in mind.
Here's what I'd do. Tell her that you're going to be incommunicado for one week. Make up whatever excuse you need, but say that you have to be by yourself and have no contact with her for 7 straight days.
If she comes to your house, starts blowing up your cell phone, offers to take you out to eat or something... YOU MUST SHUT THAT DOWN. If you lack the strength for that then you're not 'emotionally mature.'
After you shut her down once or twice in this manner, there are two extremes that may result:
1) She goes out and fucks some rando (or, more likely, her ex) in some attempt to grab your attention or make you angry. If you get angry at this, then you are not 'emotionally mature.' TRP will teach you that all women are like that and you can understand WHY she did it.
If that happens, she's not worth your time. She's a slut, but not for you.
2) She shows up at your door in a sexy outfit or sends you some nude photos and all but begs you to stick it in her. This is her last-ditch effort to keep you around. If she does that, then accept it, and REALIZE that she is using this to trick you back into commitment. It is ONLY because you were willing to walk away (and she sensed that) that she gave it up. Again, TRP will show you that AWALT.
It is also possible that the week goes by and literally nothing happens and you go back to normal. But if your claim that you are the only person she talks to is accurate, then having you go silent will drive her crazy and she will HAVE to act to resolve that.
Women work on emotions. Right now you are not evoking many emotions, much less positive ones. Shutting her out for a while will cause her to go crazy trying to figure out why and trying to get your attention again.
All of this is going to depend largely on how much sexual market value you have. If you 'wasted' most of your high school years on Weed and Video games, then I can't imagine it is that high.
TRP will ALSO help you increase your status so that you can easily fuck more and better women.
I've always had girls ask to hook up with me and I can name 3 right now at this time that are down to fuck. And we're both parting ways by the end of May as she's leaving the country for a year and a half then off to a school far as hell from mine. But we said we'd remain good friends, proms coming up soon, and I'm not sure if I want to test this out. Also yeah she's my first girlfriend/girl I wanted to have sex with. I don't want to lose her because that means more effort for more sex, cuz I have everything laid out really well for the rest of this month. But what can I do now that would make her want me a bit more?
[–]yaysmr2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You are not emotionally mature.
The quickest way at this point is to HINT that you might go hook up with one of those other girls if she doesn't put out for you.
Dread game, as mentioned. And you have to be willing to follow through.
If you follow TRP, you'll learn that you can have three girls at once as 'plates' and thus be getting sex on the regular.
[–]KartagoPill0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There is one 'but' women always backup dick.
[–]Jerkboy13 5 points5 points5 points 10 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
No one can "convince" you of red pill. You have to read it, set your ego aside, and see that it's correct. Start by reading lots of sidebar material. It seems like alpha fucks/beta bucks might be a great place to start given your GF's past and current sexual behavior.
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Mind guiding me to that page, kind of hard to navigate on mobile
[–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
You don't have all day to sit around reading about the subtleties of TRP, best thing you can do is look up "The Sixteen Commandments of Poon" from Heartiste:
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/the-sixteen-commandments-of-poon/
It's very distilled, right to the point, and will get you thinking about the big picture as this shit sinks in. You apply it, immediately see results, apply some more etc. As a bonus, it's pure poison to your so-called old blue pill self, and it will buck like crazy and make you doubt yourself as you figure it out, exactly what makes a woman tick, and what you need to do.
The way the GF is currently treating you is depressing (you're not alone, it's the same story with every dude who isn't doing what he needs to do to make the girl worship him), but the only one you should be angry with about that is your so-called old blue pill self - women will naturally take the shape of the "container" they're currently in. That means she's the girl she thinks she needs to be, to be with you. That's why she was a sex playmate with the "asshole" other boyfriend - she was simply the girl she needed to be, to be with him. It's not personal whatsoever, pure automatism. Doesn't reflect on you as a man, apart from teaching you a good life lesson about how you may want to re-align yourself in future.
This definitely clears things up. I was thinking that she just wasn't attracted to me the same way she was with her past boyfriend, sexually at least. Emotionally, I provide for her and she says that I'm the best boyfriend she's ever had. But yeah, gotta start making some changes. Should I start applying this to my current relationship because it's already a month in
[–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You change yourself, and she'll change for you.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You're going to college next year, what better time is their to fuck bitches?
[–]Venenarium0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Let me quote the third iron rule of tomassi:
A woman who wants to fuck you will find a way to fuck you. She will fly across the country, crawl under barbwire, climb in through your second story bedroom window, fuck the shit out of you and wait patiently inside your closet if your wife comes home early from work – women who want to fuck will find a way to fuck. The girl who tells you she needs to be comfortable and wants a relationship first is the same girl who fucked the hot guy in the foam cannon party in Cancun on spring break just half an hour after meeting him.
(here's the whole article)
In other words: in her eyes, you don't have many options beside her, thus your SMV is low. Given the fact that she used to fuck the shit out of her past alpha boyfriend, she can't even make excuses about how she's not a sexual person or how her libido is low.
With all probability, you are dealing with an exemplary case of alpha widow here.
You can either continue your game the way you do, patiently wait for her to throw you some 'good boy' sex here and there and ultimately end it by her fucking some other dude or her past boyfriend. But a better way of dealing with the situation is to improve your SMV by working on yourself; Hit the gym, expand your social circle, fuck other women or just punish your girlfriend by spending less time with her when she fails to satisfy your terms.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I'll start doing this. Also, if she refuses to put out or not down to fuck should I bring up the fact that she used to fuck that douche more times a week than me in total? I know it was in the summer and she's extremely busy now but based on your quote that shouldn't fucking matter
[–]Venenarium0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
if she refuses to put out or not down to fuck should I bring up the fact that she used to fuck that douche more times a week than me in total?
I would advise against it. To quote Tomassi once again:
You cannot negotiate Desire.
Basically it sounds a lot like emotional blackmailing, which would eventually backfire. Plus you would probably not like the sex anyway if she's not into it ;) By trying to 'convince' her into having sex with you, you're once again displaying that you're without options, which would make her want to have sex with you even less. If she turns you down, act like it doesn't matter to you and then, in the upcoming days, punish her by spending less time with her and more time on pursuing your passions/gaming other girls. Once you distance yourself, she will either not care (which will tell you a lot about the relationship) or begin to ask what's wrong, which is when you can finally explain yourself.
In any case, do not be (or act) angry with her. You can not be angry on the fact that she's not aroused by you, it's not her fault, love doesn't work like that. Here's another good article that might interest you
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
She desire me, all the time. We're touching eachother throughout the day subtly, and when we stand next to eachother she always presses up against me. It's just she sees the relationship more than just sex, she actually likes me as a person. She says she can be completely herself around me and that I'm extremely easy to talk to. She's extremely attracted to me and loves my quarks and all but doesn't want to fuck all the time.
All I wanted was some pussy man. Just to lose my virginity and fuck some bitches... :(
[–]Venenarium0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
Perhaps. You will see.
My first relationship was similar: I used to cuddle with my first girlfriend all the time, holding hands in public, stroking legs when sitting in a restaurant. She introduced me to her friends, I introduced her to mine... She treated me badly in many ways and often made me wait for sex, but I decided to overlook it all because I was so in love. I guess I was happy.
I would never go back there tho, because after having other relationships, I saw everything I was missing and how better can things be. My last girlfriend used to wake me up with blowjobs on weekends. We used to bang on every flat piece of furnitude, had sex outdoors, had sex in bathroom stalls, had sex in shower... We even had sex when she didn't feel like having sex, because she wanted to please me. And the sex is not everything, a person who treats you like this in bed will treat you like this anywhere else in the relationship.
Even in your case, there is no "she sees the relationship more than just sex", sex is a natural part of a relationship. And judging by the amount of bangs she used to pleasure her past boyfriend with, she likes the sex as much as anyone else.
I know this might be hard to hear, but you'll see it differently once you get more experience. TRP may only speed up your leveling.
Yeah, the second girlfriend sounds much better. I'm just pushing through all this bullshit just to get some more sex-experience and pussy of course because she is my first. A few more weeks and i won't see her again so i'm not going to stand for my morals just quite yet.
But the reason why she said that was because she sees me as more than someone she's fucking, that was her past boyfriend. I can tell she's always so happy around me and always texts me and tells me she loves me its very obvious that she genuinely loves me and doesn't JUST want to fuck.
Now i don't know how accurate what i just said is from a TRP standpoint, but this really seems to be the case. In her last relationship, she was the beta even though she's an alpha person. I'm neither, i don't let her push me around or go jersey shore on her ass. I'm just chilling honestly. And i'm afraid that i have to choose one side sooner or later.
Where should i start looking into for my case?
I'm already working out, eating well, have no trouble with looks (confidence wise anymore). I guess i just need to be more alpha? Fuck if i know
[–]The-Ban-Hammer0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
and may have some attachment problems.
Euphemism for: My ex or that other guy may want me, so I can't say that we're an official couple.
Women proudly show off their guy, unless he's simply a stepping stone or space filler.
She's genuine when she says she loves certain things about me, and also says that she now knows what a relationship should be like and that she loves me for it. She genuinely likes spending time with me and I'm literally one of the only people she talks to outside of school. I know these things for a fact.
You know nothing for a fact, Jon Snow. She's buttering you up to be the best BFF you can be for her. It's cliche for women to say how perfect you would be in a relationship, yet they suck the cum from the opposite of you.
What I don't know is the premise behind the things she says/does. It also pisses me off that she used to fuck her last boyfriend 4-5 times a week for a few months during the summer where her schedule was free, and I've only fucked her 5 times in the past month and a half (she's busy with work and has responsibilities at/outside of home). I mean, 4 times was in her car which blows. That relationship was also based off sex. The reason why I got into a relationship was to have steady sex, and I guess what comes along with it isn't too bad lol.
Words vs. actions. See? She says how perfect you are in so many ways, yet she fucks you almost not-at-all. The frequent and dirty sex she reserves for guys who "deserve" it. You, on the other hand, get the shitty maintenance sex to keep you around, but if she desired you the way she desired the previous guy, she'd find ways to blow you and fuck you in the most awkward of places because she wouldn't want to wait.
You're not emotionally mature. Some guys (and women) aren't emotionally mature until their late 20s or early 30s. You believe you're emotionally mature because teenagers love to believe they are "enlightened" compared to their peers. You're not. Learn that or you'll never grow because of how perfect you already perceive yourself.
I don't know if I should continue being a good guy to my girlfriends in the future, or just fuck random bitches.
A little of both is ok, if you know what you want. Fucking random bitches is fine. Being a good guy to your LTRs is also fine, as long as you don't confuse good guy with "Yes dear, I'll do anything for you. NOW can I have some pussy? Please? Please?"
Tl;dr: Why The Red Pill?
Why not the Red Pill? I have a good idea. Spend the next couple years doing what the "blue pill" world would have you do. Come back and let us know if you are the exception of all human males and have found the exception of all human females... OR, if you realize that RP actually offered truth.
You don't have to be the complete asshole, but ignoring the truths of how to get women will only have you being a very frustrated 30 or 40 something who "played by all the rules and became the kind of guy women said they wanted" and still only got to spank it to hot looking avatars in whatever game you play.
[–]idgaf-0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
It's just a foreign perspective for me, assuming women particularly in relationships are just looking for personal gain. but I honestly just wanted a bitch to fuck
It's just a foreign perspective for me, assuming women particularly in relationships are just looking for personal gain.
but I honestly just wanted a bitch to fuck
From what you write, you are in a relationship for extremely selfish reasons. It should be no surprise that all people including women tend to do this.
It also pisses me off that she used to fuck her last boyfriend 4-5 times a week
You think that's her conscious doing? That's his doing, his leading and escalation. He fucks her, not the other way around.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Huh. Now that you mention that it does make more sense. I'm just kind of out there, floating around and taking what I can when I can. But it ultimately comes down to her decision.
So it's time to make a fucking change. What can I do?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
So I'm going to the gym tonight and want to fuck her beforehand. Gym is at 8 I want to fuck her in her car where we usually park at 7 then go on with my workout. What can I say other than get out and let's chill at 7?
[–]idgaf-0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I can't really help you with your acute thirst. In fact I think it will benefit you to get over your thirst as girls can smell thirsty guys and are repelled by them.
The RP mindset is about being attractive and letting things naturally happen. It's not forcing X at a specific time T with specific person P regardless of any other circumstances like her schedule or stress level. It's a mindset grounded in abundance: there are always other girls, other times for sex, other things to enjoy and be happy about. The steady happiness is highly attractive and abundance feeds on itself.
She's your girlfriend so a simple "Meet me at 7.", escalate and see what happens. Accept that she can reject you and be prepared to play it cool.
Besides, sex before gym can really sap your energy for workouts.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
You're right. I do seem thirsty sometimes, and I gained her attraction by not being thirsty at all. By actually listening to her and being a good guy. She developed feelings for me as I charmed her, but little does she know I'm honestly just trying to get my dick wet. I kind of got what I wanted I guess?
[–]idgaf-0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
She knows. They all know. That's the whole point of men & women talking. It's a balancing act between not being thirsty, and smoothly escalating and staying true to your desires.
There are some mindsets that help, like you are the prize and sex is a mutual reward. In general it will be something you figure out as you go through life and take risks.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
She says she loves me, I said it as well but don't mean it at all. She knows? We're both 18. I honestly don't give a fuck about the relationship and
News: hahahaha I've been paying less attention to her today and she just texted me asking 'what time do you want to have dinner'?
[–]idgaf-0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's all okay. Kids have wild and differing ideas about what love is. Adults do too. She's just trying to figure things out as you are.
One RP teaching is that when a women says I love you, she means "I love you right now." or "I love the way you make me feel right now." It's a nice sentiment to receive. It doesn't mean she will always love you, or she will overlook all of your faults.
I don't know what you two thought you meant when you said it. But reframing it to "I love you right now" might help you with the feeling of being dishonest.
News:
Yes that's how it works. It doesn't mean you should use withholding attention as a weapon. It just means you put yourself first and have other priorities besides her. That's a normal, attractive thing.
What's good for you is good for her. What's good for her is also good for you.
[–]devonporter0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
I thought TRP was all about being a respectful man?
in the OP you stated she has issues, yet you're really just toying with her to get sex? I really don't respect that. I don't lead on women in general, especially women who have baggage.
This is okay if she's clearly JUST a plate, but it seems you're leading her on as if she's more than that to you.
And I thought TRP was using women for your personal gain because that's exactly what they do to you?
And I'm just a really chill, easy going guy. So I didn't scheme some plan to get her attracted to me knowing that she has attachment issues just to get some pussy. It just, well, sorta happened.
[–]devonporter0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's about sexual strategy, having healthy relationships, and becoming a respectful man.
You don't fuck with women that you can potentially fuck up, ideally you make it clear of your intentions (that they're your plate) so there's no miscommunication and said girl doesn't develop any emotions that could cause negative feelings once reality sinks in.
it's also not about getting back at women for doing what "they do to you". don't fight fire with fire, two wrongs don't make a right, ect.
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