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Ovulation alters women's economic decisions

ratthing

February 26, 2014
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Title Ovulation alters women's economic decisions
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ratthing

Upvotes 58
Comments 23
Date February 26, 2014 3:50 PM UTC
(12 years ago)
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[–]Modredpillschool19 points20 points21 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

For example, women indicated if they preferred to have a $25,000 car while other women got $40,000 cars (Option A) or have a $20,000 car while other women got $12,000 cars (Option B). The study found that ovulating women preferred Option B, choosing products that would give them higher standing compared to other women.

Fantastic!

[–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

No doubt. Men would see a total net of $65,000 vs. $32,000. Obvious choice.

For women, they would see a net difference of $8,000, that is, I am $8,000 better off than you are (my opponent).

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

This thought experiment lacks enough detail for me to make a decision one way or the other. What's the context? A business? A NPO? No idea here.

Regardless, the oversimplification of $65,000 vs $32,000 is wholly bunk.

Going off the premise of:

In another study, women made product choices that could either maximize their individual gains or maximize their relative gains compared to other women.

This is an idiotic test. How am I maximizing my individual gain by getting a more expensive car unless I get some kind of utility out of it? Am I paying for it? If not, the gain isn't yours at all, it's the company's. Is it a work truck? A delivery vehicle?

Let's say we go with the $25,000/$40,000 option. As soon as you drive these cars off the lot, you've lost 10% of their value right off the bat, and ($2,500 for my car and $4,000 * Y, where Y = the number of other cars), so clearly you have less of a "net loss" from the less expensive vehicles ({$2,000 + [$1,200 * Y]}*.1). For tax purposes, your net assets are lower, for insurance as well. There are many ways in which the higher priced vehicles are LESS economical.

Unless these cars are making you money or provide a form of utility you can't get from a the $12,000 and $20,000 cars, this is a bad decision. On top of that, you pay for vehicle registration based on the price of the car, so why would springing for the more expensive vehicle be a good economic decision?

This "study" smells funny.

This entire experiment is based on an experiment supposedly carried out by Robert H. Frank in 2005, but there's no citation for anything about the study in the bibliography.

[–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

As I am oversimplifying things, I would be inclined to argue that you are overcomplicating things.

You would still have to wonder why women would be inclined to choose option 2 over option 1 when they likely know very little about cars and the pure numerical values listed before them are greater in option 1.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Any paper that claims to be scholarly should be examined thoroughly for faults.

I found the paper they referenced under Frank in 2005, which is "Positional Externalities Cause Large and Preventable Welfare Losses" - http://www.aeaweb.org/assa/2005/0108_1015_0601.pdf

This paper is so far-and-away removed from the topic at hand, I have no idea what possible relevance it could have in this situation aside from the "house value" thought experiment referenced within.

The other "similar" citation they have is for Saad and Gill, which the abstract reads:

Individuals chose between two ‘salary increase’ options: (1) an increase of $500 for themselves and $500 for a colleague; or (2) an increase of $600 for themselves and $800 for a colleague. The gender of the colleague was manipulated, hence permitting the investigation of four possible gender dyads (male-male, male-female, female-male, female-female). A main effect was found for the subjects' gender, namely a majority of women preferred option 1 while the majority of men preferred option 2. No interaction was found between the gender of the subjects and those of the colleagues.

This is not at ALL a similar experiment. Choice of salaries and houses is FAR more self-serving. You wouldn't think of buying a house for a business. You wouldn't think of paying anyone less unless you were the owner.

Choice of a car has SEVERAL down-stream implications and obligations. IMO this paper fails at a basic academic level.

[–]thinkthric 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're being pedantic.

[–]Clauderoughly43 points44 points45 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This is why women make horrible bosses / leaders (among other reasons).

Their logic changes from week to week, and is emotionally based.

[–]AllYouCanEatRedPills34 points35 points36 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What's amazing is that the University actually allowed this study, and isn't calling it 'hate speech.'

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The media can be trusted not to report it in any significant way.

[–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity21 points22 points23 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Interesting but not particularly surprising. When a woman is ovulating, she is at the peak of her fertility. She will do what she can to secure a worthy mate.

That is why women tend to wear red or pink during their peak fertility to attract suitors. Source

[–][deleted] 4 points4 points4 points 12 years ago | Copy Link

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[–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity20 points21 points22 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There are likely to be hormonal influences, so I would have to say subconsciously.

[+]draketton-19 points-18 points-17 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

red is so fucking ugly though :(

[–][deleted] 12 points12 points12 points 12 years ago | Copy Link

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[+]orographic-6 points-5 points-4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Blue balls! Amirite?

[–]wethedownvoted 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

This research could have important implications for marketers, consumers and researchers.

Imagine if advertisers started targeting ovulating women and unintentionally synced the cycles of an entire nation.

[–]pillburt6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Huge sex party once a month, and lock your doors for a week.

[–]autoNFA0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm pretty sure some retailers already do this.

[–]Elecroam2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Very interesting. I wonder how this affects other parts of life.

[–]ilike2partyhowaboutu4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"I don't want a man.. I want HER man"

[–]AllYouCanEatRedPills10 points11 points12 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

for example, women indicated if they preferred to have a $25,000 car while other women got $40,000 cars (Option A) or have a $20,000 car while other women got $12,000 cars (Option B). The study found that ovulating women preferred Option B, choosing products that would give them higher standing compared to other women

This is pretty much the main tenet of socialism: 'Thou shalt have no more than I.'

Following these instincts makes everyone worse off.

[–]epic_pig-4 points-3 points-2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Indeed. Just look at what Margaret Thatcher did to the UK.

[–]MahlerNinth1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Seriously interesting. Thank you for sharing.

I really hope they do some more economic experiments like this, particularly running the public goods and ultimatum games on the same subject sets. The ultimatum might be especially interesting to see if women's willingness to take low offers (settle) becomes higher when ovulating.

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