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[–]a_n_v 14 points15 points16 points 12 years ago* (13 children) | Copy Link
Man my ass.
Congratulations. Lurker for years. Aware for longer than you've been alive. Never commented on ANY of the thousands of posts and articles I've read on the topic. Never comment online period. The years of lies, ego, hate, name calling, I always thought it would be a hamster that finally got to me.
But you...you've got some balls kid.
Alright everybody, looks like we can pack up and go home. The kid here has figured it out. It's a scam. Better shut down this subreddit. Can somebody call Roosh and Rollo? I've sent an email to Ross Jeffries. Man, Mystery and Strauss are gonna be crushed. How embarrassing for them. We had better let them all know the news. None of it works. It's all a big scam. Wow, who knew?
For everyone that has ever applied the knowledge, thousands upon thousands of times with success, for all the men who have willingly been CRUSHED by 10's over and over to learn and to help others learn, it looks like it was just a fluke. All the literature in the sidebar that you never read or most certainly didn't apply. The studies that support the behavioral dynamics. The countless testimonials from men who have it worse than you are wrong I guess because of this one anectodal experience based on the words of "honest women" as you put it with a side order of chatroulette. Because if anything, we all know that women always mean exactly what they say when it comes to dating/relationships and know exactly what they want right?
Do you have ANY idea how ignorant and ridiculous and possibly insulting this post is to people that have put in the work? No you don't. You want to know why? Because you're not looking for a solution. You're looking for an excuse. "I give up". Very attractive quality right there. So is asking women if they would date you. Nope not needy or desperate at all. Why don't you ask them if your ass looks fat in those jeans while you're at it?
It will be much harder for you. You're not good looking. Accept it and either put in the work or shut up and be miserable and feel sorry for yourself or go MGTOW. But don't come in here with this nonsense that game doesn't work. It might take you years but you are 100% wrong. You haven't put in the work or the effort to know.
Nowhere in any of your lame experiences did you ever indicate any hint of building attraction in anyway. You just played a simple numbers game poorly and lost. Develop yourself outside of looks.
Read Krauser and don't stop reading. From current until at least 2011. He agrees with you partially about seduction but proves you wrong demonstrably in your analysis of it.
Then if you want to lead that lifestyle you will have an idea what it takes. If you don't that's no problem. MGTOW rocks too I respect it immensely but you don't see those guys coming in here saying; "oh hey guys, by the way none of this stuff works."
For the record, I'm neither MGTOW or into seduction. I'm just me. But I don't go walking into a steakhouse telling everyone that they're eating tofu.
Edited for for spacing. It's my first comment ever.
[–]_whistler 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That was one hell of a first comment, brother! I hope we get to see some more from you.
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[–]a_n_v 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You me and Krauser are in agreement. A lot of seduction and pua artists are scams. But the guy in that picture could easily get a 5 or 6 with a makeover and solid game. For a twenty year old who has never kissed a girl I would say that is a measurable improvement. If i wasn't clear enough for you let me be. If you're not good looking you will never get consistent attention from attractive women. You will have to build it yourself. Game works.
[–]a_n_v 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Also I'm new to posting. This isn't about one upping your reply or ego.
I am actually trying to help. It wasn't shaming, it was what men do, kick each other in the ass when they need it. I don't want to see this kid waste his twenties if all he wanted was a kiss or some fun with non-supermodels. Conversely if he wants to acquire wealth and social status and wait until his thirties when the tables turn and let them come to him so be it.
I was in sales in my twenties. Wasn't for me.
[–]_whistler 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Are you kidding? All that guy needs physically is to lose the dopey haircut and get a solid 60/40 rugged/biker style going. Get a solid nutrition regimen, and hit the bench/deadlift 3x a week. Add a weekly approach quota, and he'll be crawling in pussy in 6 months. Give him a year or two of constant dedication, and he'll be teaching masterclasses.
[–]a_n_v 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I felt the same way. Also dude looks tall. That's an instant 1.5 advantage at least.
Height, some facial hair, charisma with confidence and self-worth. Maximize what you got and you will get.
And thanks man, I'm too new to upvote you but appreciated.
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[–]_whistler 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I stand by my statement. It's not about 'pulling 9s and 10s in no time,' it's about becoming an attractive, confident man. It seems like I'm saying this a lot around here recently, but I'll go ahead and say it again: it's about developing your Frame. I get the results I want to get in my own life, and it's because I've built a strong frame based on my personal values. I focus on being the man I want to be, and pursue that ideal relentlessly. It works.
My suggestions for the guy in the photo come from a basic analysis of how he could highlight his best physical traits. Right now, he conveys 'dumb brute with a gentle soul'. It's really fucking easy to turn that into 'brutishly rugged, rather mysterious man with an air of danger' if you apply yourself.
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[–]_whistler 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Do you have any valid arguments to make, or are you just here to sling your sarcastic projections around?
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[–]_whistler 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Difference of opinion, then. I'm content to leave it at that.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
That's life. You have to play with the cards you have been dealt with. I choose to fight. But sometimes it's too hard and you just want to give up. Then you give up and after a few years realize that your life would be a lot better if you had just kept fighting. You just wasted years for no good reason other than feeling sorry for yourself. While you could have been having crazy fun good times with other people. Hot young women are not the only people on this planet that can give value and enjoyment into your life.
But I can certainly feel your pain. I've felt it too.
Just one more thing: I think you are putting yourself into a negative mindset for no good reason. You see a wall and you think you can't get through it. But I have complete confidence that you can. It just needs a lot of courage and hard work.
Even if you were right, even if it's completely impossible for you to have sex with any woman, why kick yourself while you're downn? That's stupid.
[–]zSantanA 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Take care of your face. Shave, get a haircut, make sure your face isnt filled with blemishes. Lift and fix your posture. A slouched bag of bones isnt attractive to women. I honestly cant say if youre genuinely ugly because I've never seen you but I know plenty of avg looking guys who pull bombshells. Looks help without a doubt but know that game does not rely solely on them.
If you quit thats up to you. There's no hand-holding or breastfeeding here. That just means more women for the men who do suceed.
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[–]apackofwankers 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
The chatroulette experiment sounds like something you could repeat, using it to guide an evolution in your style and attitude.
Try some new things; some experiments:
On visualisations, I dont know anything about this in the pickup world, but I know in the martial arts world that if I totally relax, while visualising the vital points I am going to strike on my opponent's body, often the opponent will back down and move on, having read the quiet competence in my body language. http://sweetpersimmon1.blogspot.in/2007/11/samurai-and-tea-master.html
I did an edit and added the tea master story - was thinking about it and thinking that there must be something that you are highly competent at, which you could do before or during the chatroulette encounters. A demonstration of your mastery of something - or just having the feeling of mastery at the time of the encounter. Women will smell that, even over an internet connection.
What visualisation might work to increase your chatroulette attractiveness? Something that puts you at the centre of attention, the hero, and something that makes them seem insignificant, like groupies. But you have to think like a method actor, make your whole body speak for what you are visualising.
Your body will communicate your inner thoughts - 90% of communication is non-verbal - chatroulette seems like a nice non-threatening environment to quickly try out new ideas, especially ideas that revolve around that old limbic system lizard brain where attractions and repulsions are formed in less than 100ms, based on the twinkle in your eye, or the way you hold your hands, or some other unquantifiable thing.
If your "frame" is strong enough and appealing enough, women will slot themselves into the roles you make available. You can pull people into your own fantasy.
If you are courageous enough, hold a sign up saying "Log off if you would never fuck me", and experiment to find that right combination of affects that get you the highest number of non-logoffs.
Hoping to refine my pickup lines, I asked my women friends recently what was the most charming thing a man had ever said to them - many of them refused to answer, but of those that did, by far the most frequent answer was along the lines of "nothing to do with words, it was all about the eyes".
[–]hohohoitsxmas 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
ha!
[–]apackofwankers 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
ha? care to expand on that?
[–]zSantanA 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
If you have good groming and a great body along with good posture than youre not ugly. Unless you have a fucked up facial mutation like a jawline receeded all the way in or a nose that could rival pinocchios you really arent that ugly.
You honestly sound like a fucking woman right now. Youre putting such an emphasis on your "bad looks" when its very likely thats not why youre striking out. Have you even read any of the material? Because a large part and major point of TRP is accepting what we cant change. Improving and working on what we are good at and minimizing what we arent good at. Since according to you your looks are so fucked up maybe you should go out to a bar or club. Maybe the dim lighting might show you what you're really lacking in order to attract the opposite sex.
[–]monsieurhire2 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Have you tried approaching girls as attractive or less attractive then you? Asking a bunch of girls if they would date you comes across as needy and supplicating. Also, even if they told you that they would date you, it doesn't mean that they actually would. I was considered "good-looking" and I had plenty of trouble getting laid . . . because I wouldn't accept the reality of how things actually worked. I saw plenty of ugly guys fuck hot girls. I saw plenty of hot girls with ugly boyfriends. You're young; if you give up now, it will get even harder as you get older. Now is the time to work on yourself, to improve yourself. Girls are attracted to guys with status, who have skills, and who aren't needy. There are plenty of fish in the sea. You basically have the attitude that you shouldn't have to work, that they should just come to you as you are. That will NEVER happen. You always have to constantly self-improve, or you'll get nothing.
[–]kzwrp 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
do u even lift ?
[–]P0eticJustice 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
obliviously not enough
[–]kzwrp 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
stop evading the question bro
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sigh looks help but they are NOT a silver bullet.
My friend took one of my targets on Friday, he's 30lbs more overweight than me, goofy teeth and glasses. How did he do it? Right place right time, bit of luck and some balls.
He was kind of sheepish about it afterwards, as if i was going to flip, so much to learn haha
[–]LMS_THEORY_ 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The LMS theory manifests itself again...
I'd rather be 7/10 with no game, no social circle, and limited interaction skills than a 5/10 with 'game' and a great personality
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Boobs are to men what confidence is to women. OP write that on a dildo and let it sink in.
[–]MockingDead 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What are you trying to sell. You've posted this on The Blue Pill, on Forever Alone, Seduction, and anywhere else you can.
Desperate for validation or selling something, which is it?
You are a contrary and whiny bitch, and this needs be labelled as Blue Pill.
I guess some of you might again mention that it's not only about looks or some variation thereof, but evidence shows otherwise.
Then you have figured it out, and we have nothing more to offer you.
Happy New Year and best of luck with the rest of your predetermined life.
[–]FortunateBum 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is all you got to do:
Wear sunglasses. All the time. Even at night.
You're welcome.
[–]new2RP 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes women care about looks, and yes if you have no game, or game that sounds rehearsed and not genuine you're going to fail. Will confidence help a guy with the face of a 4 or 5 get a woman who is a 9 or 10? Statistically no (unless he has money, or some source of power). Will it help him get a woman who is a 6? Yes (Help, not guarantee).
Just think of game as the bait on a hook when you're fishing, it's going to make it easier to catch a fish, but it's certainly no guarantee, it just makes it easier than fishing with nothing on the hook at all. Looks matter a LOT, and I myself wasn't able to get a woman remotely attractive until I lost 40 pounds, and while that was nice to GET some women to go out with me, my lack of game prevented them from sticking around to let me fuck them. I was too much of a "nice guy" to them, or someone they "didn't feel chemistry" with. Game, and TRP helped me turn that portion around, and a 3 year no sex streak ended abruptly with me being able to get laid with a single text message from a few women I laid some ground work with.
Seduction as a general philosophy isn't a scam, but yes it won't completely fix "ugly" whatever that means to you. If you've never kissed anyone, never had a GF, never done anything sexual, how about you drop the desperation out of the equation and get laid by someone you consider below you? Fuck an overweight woman you might not find very attractive, or at least ask one out, you'll at least be getting experience, and if you're not all that attracted to them, you'll be inadvertently setting up a good situation to practice game. If you don't care about the outcome, you're already a huge part of the way to having "game".
If you're asking a "friend" if they'd go out with you based on your looks, you've already missed the point entirely, of course they're going to say no. You're not a great looking guy, so if all you give them is your looks, they're not going to say they'd go out with you, if they had the mindset that your current personality would overcome your current looks, they already would have gone out with you. It's a foregone conclusion since they're not dating you.
How are you going to change your situation? Plastic surgery, lowering your standards, getting rich, getting power, finding some way to improve your looks other than what's already been said. If you're dismissing seduction or game as a "scam" then you're already missing the point, you shouldn't be using it as a gimmick, but to improve yourself as a person. Women can see the difference regardless of your physical appearance.
Good luck!
[–]richard84 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
add those 10lbs of muscle. it's not just the looks (and posture! posture for fucks sake!). it helped my confidence tremendously. women are good at reading through your fake confidence.
i wish i could see your face and your body. you're probably DYEL skinnyfat or curlbro, and you have a beta haircut/demeanor. You'll never be a 10/10, but you can surely pull some pussy unless you have some major phyisical deformity. It's good that you tried to improve yourself through seduction, but perhaps you don't have quite the whole picture and women see through your facade.
TL;DR how much do you deadlift?
[–]VanSmirren 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sculpting a well-defined muscular body greatly improved my confidence. I began lifting weights just after I turned 18 and soon noticed a difference in the way women were treating me. Whereas in the past women would only occasionally complement me on my looks, women were literally crowding around just to flirt with me by the time I was 20. What a confidence boost!
If I'd walked around town in the summer with my shirt off when I was 17 nobody would have batted an eyelid. Last summer when I went on holiday and relaxed in beer gardens with my shirt off women (good looking ones, too) were approaching me (sometimes to flirt with me, some just to have their photographs taken with me). Still, it was a massive confidence boost.
Whilst I still lift weights as regularly as I ever have I've lost my definition, which I'm hoping to have recovered by the end of spring.
If you take care of your body not only do you improve your confidence and physical attractiveness, you're showing everybody in the same room as you that you have bucket loads of self respect.
[–]aussiehank1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
there is no game and the seduction industry is a giant fucking scam.
I'm curious what specific seduction industry material/s have you studied, and used ?
[–]MockingDead -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Poor Blue Piller. Boo Hoo.
Alright, so you suck at getting laid. You say I can't use anecdotes when your entire argument is predicated on an anecdote.
[–]MockingDead 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Women will always rate you at least a point lower than them. At least. They have to. They have a biological imperative to find the best man, which is in their head and encompasses everything they love abotu alphas and want in a provider.
So they say no. A lot. They say no for any reason they can come up with. It's apart of hypergamy.
Start assuming attraction and approaching. You'll feel and do better.
Or, don't bitch, approach some more, get good at building attraction, and get laid.
Or don't bitch and go MGTOW.
But don't bitch. Look, I get it, you feel desperate to validate your own shitty mindset, but you just sound like a crybaby. I am tired of crybabies. You want to mope, then mope, but don't post about it.
Do, or do not. There is no fucking try.
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[–]fluviant -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You're like a child who takes a mouthful of vegetables at dinner and then spits it out to let the dog eat it.
Your failure here is not your looks. Your failure is your unwillingness to believe what TRP tells you. You've gone in with a mindset of "if I don't get immediate results from this, I must be doomed to failure forever, most likely because of my looks." BECAUSE of this uncertainty in yourself and your game, you most likely come across as either a try-hard or a complete oaf.
Some random girl doesn't take kindly to you? Who the fuck cares? You're a man on a mission with purpose who's worth more than the pricetag a woman puts on him.
Stop pump-faking. Go for the shot. Take TRP all the way.
You have the pill sitting on your tongue ready to spit it out at the first bad taste. Swallow it already.
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