Study the Dark Triad, do not be the Dark Triad

knitro · 2016-01-26T18:18:51+00:00

Correct, DT is not an aspiration - it's a outline of an extreme. You should be more interested in why it can be successful and learn the lessons, not to emulate it in full.

Every DT person I've spent significant time with, and there's probably 4-5, burns bridges and ends up alone until they can glom onto another group of marks or enablers. It's an incredibly short-sighted approach and will ostracize you from the vast majority of people over time. Hope you like moving city to city every 18 months and starting all over again. Some of you may be like, 'that's fine, i just want to pump & dump" and that's fine, but you can live that life without the manipulative means a DT person embraces.

OP, you never did explain how he got the Fisher account though.

tb87670 · 2016-01-27T03:11:21+00:00

I only went DT during a dark anger phase after a few white knight orbiters followed me and one took a swung at me. Not only did I have various women vying to ruin my life (jealousy of family members seeing me improve, random pieces of ass wanting my money and commitment at all costs, one woman hiding fact she had clap etc.) it was also apparent that bluepill/feminist indoctrinated men could also literally turn into a physical enemy. During this DT+IDGAF phase women were even more attracted to me but I can't stay DT forever. It's self-destructive to relationships of all kinds over the long-term, be it friends, co-workers, women, etc. and is mostly useful for short-term gains.

Apexk9 · 2016-01-26T20:40:10+00:00

Except what if Paul had discipline?

Aspire to be DT with discipline.

Downfall 1: if he had discipline he could do this Downfall 2: DT beta

Downfall 3: get a career that helps. I worked advertising now I train dogs. Manipulating people is a important aspect of many careers like sales.

The first person you learn to manipulate is yourself.

It's a moot point because you either born DT or you ain't. DT think and feel differently

t_m_1984 · 2016-01-26T18:05:01+00:00

It's funny because they shouldn't want to be DT, and I used to rant about the same thing, but... They won't be. No matter how hard they tried. They won't be DT. It's a chemical level thing. You can't "become" DT. You're born it or not.

Thotwrecker · 2016-01-27T09:37:54+00:00

Like any category of people, some of highly effective and some are highly ineffective. Many are highly ineffective as you described, and their better DT traits are marred by short-sightedness, hedonism, need for validation / compliance from others, financial woes, and addiction. Others are running the country, managing hedge funds, top 1%er salespeople, and so on. There's no black and white way to see this - surgeons tested highest for psychopathy out of all of the careers in one study, and it makes sense. I want someone with emotion disassociation who views my body the same way as a expert sushi chef may view a bluefin tuna - his DT trait is letting him excel at a job that would overwhelm most normal people.

I completely agree that TRP, particularly younger members, use DT as a label for the stupidest things. There is a problem with positive misconceptions of DTs, but this is also a problematic negative conception of DTs, it's just the inverse of what the other camp is doing.

It is also a reminder that DT is about a coupling of 3 traits. A psychopath isn't necessarily DT, nor is a narcissist. I know many narcissists who are highly empathetic and emotional - we call them women. All jokes aside though, there are highly manipulative people who are deeply moral and motivated by their empathy for others, not at all psychopathic. Their machiavellianism is driven and rationalized by a need to achieve something positive for the "greater good" or for some marginalized group.

TRP sees these individuals with ONE outstanding DT trait and they use it as an example of DT behavior. That's not really helping anyone develop an understanding of DT.

Not all DTs have all 3 traits in strong abundance, but most have different levels of all 3, with all present to at least a minor, but significant degree. The traits, when all present, do work well together. Psychopathy without narcissism, however, often is pretty bad as the individual does not have the self-love to improve and create himself as better than others. When you look at DTs who employ each trait in amounts that function together, they generally are very successful.

RedPharaohRising · 2016-01-26T18:44:17+00:00

Downfall 1: He is not in shape. He does not lift or care about his body, in fact he is too busy drowning himself in Bombay Sapphire and railing lines of coke to know how this hinders his focus in all aspects of life.

His manipulative behavior gets the best of him due to lack of discipline. This is because no matter how much dread game, preselection, or negs he uses, sometimes, a woman just wants to hop on another ride on the Carousel. Fair enough, but this just causes Paul to become more and more manipulative to said Carousel rider that his manipulative behavior starts to show its true colors.

He is not truly self-sufficient. He has a penchant for manipulating people to reach his objectives via the path of least resistance. His financial stability is reliant on other people he has manipulated into supporting him. This behavior will not pay off well for Paul in the future, as he will have no sense of self-worth and stability. This will greatly lower his overall value, and only the most clueless of cum dumpsters will fall for the prick.

Paul is manipulative. Paul is not dark triad. Paul is certainly not Red Pill.

DT = narcissism, machiavellianism, psychopathy.

Paul isn't fit, isn't groomed,isn't self sufficient and manipulates people. This is not red pill, and your logic is weak.

A RedPilled man definitely has his mission, his life and his mental and physical health well put together. Paul doesn't fit anything.

Of course people are going to dump him; outside of being charming and showing pua characteristics Paul sounds stupid.

A well established dark triad who's taken the RP will do pretty fucking well.

Krainz · 2016-01-26T19:00:55+00:00

He's not just DT. He's also a megalomaniac.

I think your analysis lacks the separation of it.

DT // DT-M // M

Being a megalomaniac out of control is what makes you break frame and brings your downfall.

NeoreactionSafe · 2016-01-26T19:58:32+00:00

Simply no.

The Dark Triad is a high level Game player. That's Red Pill.

Now we can make some debate about whether the harm the Dark Triad inflicts will ultimately be limiting his consciousness... which is valid argument... but you just have to accept he has Game.

Frame is your inner Freedom. You can get Frame with MGTOW and also with a life of lifting weights and being the "Strong Silent Type" who is basically playing a type of "passive Game" in public. (his Game is his looks)

But the full package in Red Pill is the Alpha with Frame and Game.

Lucifer need not be a bad guy... but he must see the light of Game.

pyrrhic_victor · 2016-01-26T21:13:08+00:00

A sample size of one is not large enough to make an accurate judgement with.

hva_vet · 2016-01-26T21:30:33+00:00

A DT individual will be several steps ahead of his/her marks, will have accounted for every eventuality, and will act accordingly. DT manipulates using duplicity and, more insidiously, by exploiting a marks own behavior to achieve an end. DT manipulates with Machiavellianism but requires the grandiosity/lack of empathy of Narcissism, and enough sociopathy to act out on the schemes.

Example: Pitcher on a youth baseball team pitches best when he's really pissed off. DT coach benches kid all game knowing he will get really ticked off and put him in to close out a game. Kid pitches out of his mind and saves the game. To act out on this scheme the DT cannot have any empathy for the 11 year old kid (Narcissism), have enough forethought to even think of benching a good player simply to raise his ire (Machiavellianism), and the boldness to risk pissing off all the parents for sitting out an otherwise good player with the sole intention of pissing him off in the chance he is needed to close out a game (sociopathy). The coach knows this kid pitches best when he's been slighted and exploits this behavior for the benefit of the team without any regard for feelings.

Acting like a manipulative spoiled brat is not the same as DT. The DT exploits weakness or strengths of other individuals to further their own goal. The goals of the exploited and the DT may or may not intersect and this matters not to the DT. More often than not, the DT will have manipulated a situation without anyone having a clue.

Title	Study the Dark Triad, do not be the Dark Triad
Author	Jaxx_Teller
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Date	January 26, 2016 5:44 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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