The difference between being selfless and being a cuckold: How to succeed in business, dating, and life.

trp_angry_dwarf · 2017-03-13T23:33:27+00:00

Lots of Australians are praising Elon Musk for his selflessness right now. He's promising an insane deal to deliver 100MWh electrical storage in 100 days or it's free.

Oh my god, what a deal!

Except Elon knows this is an advertising stunt and doesn't actually care if it works because he stands to make billions from other governments worldwide.

Elon and your dad are playing the long game.

nomba · 2017-03-13T23:54:15+00:00

Google: 'Tim Ferriss Lessons from Warren Buffett, Bobby Fischer, and Other Outliers' - this interview with Adam Robinson is more practical application of what OP's father does. Worth a listen.

favours_of_the_moon · 2017-03-14T03:37:41+00:00

Your father is generous from a position of strength. He doesn't HAVE to be, but he is anyway. That's what Aristotle called Magnanimity.

He's not supplicating people or engaging in transactional relationships out of desperation. He's not bribing people to be his friends. He's being authentic, people respect that.

MattyAnon · 2017-03-14T03:03:44+00:00

Solid post, except the stuff about women. Women operate differently to men and do not respect male generosity.

What she really wants is a selfless man, someone who Dale Carnegie would say shows genuine interest in her.

You're describing a beta male.

What she REALLY wants is a high SMV man - a man who doesn't have to give anything to get what she wants.

Don't do things for women, they do not appreciate it. Men do, women do not.

WhiteWeddding · 2017-03-14T04:02:51+00:00

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MTriumph22 · 2017-03-13T23:52:40+00:00

Why does it have to be some machiavellian ploy? If you don't feel selfless deep in your heart, people will eventually find out and rightfully despise you for it. Selflessness is about helping people who don't always have something to give you in return.

The only real key to being a selfless and great man without getting taken advantage of is to avoid showing this side of yourself to self-absorbed men (who see your selflessness as something to exploit) and the vast majority of sexually relevant women (18-40).

The first one will just rob you, the second already gets enough attention they don't deserve.

Most men appreciate honorable and kind men, however. Old ladies too. It makes the world a better place, and is satisfying in and of itself even if you never get anything out of it.

Swole_is_life · 2017-03-14T04:01:34+00:00

Good post. The idea that women hate nice guys and only want assholes needs to DIAF.

For one, those nice guys aren't really nice because they're only being nice to get what they want and lash out hatefully when it doesn't work. And for another, most of the time you hear a story about a woman with an asshole it's after he dumped her and she's trying to make the failed relationship all his fault. Because heaven forbid she admit that her pussy wasn't worth putting up with her bullshit anymore.

Rufferto_n_Groo · 2017-03-13T22:28:28+00:00

Bro, what you call selflessness is actually true selfishness.

Your dad has a much longer planning horizon than most, and his actions bought lots of goodwill and profit in monetary and non-monetary measures, vis-a-vis your internship, etc.

You make the typical mistake with the idea of selflessness. What you describe with women is having ZFG, being outcome independent, etc.

It's not selflessness.

aanarchist · 2017-03-13T22:41:58+00:00

great post nailed it right on the head. betas are selfish people, whether you are chad douchecock or nice guy bob, and both take away from the planets resources. the story of the con man was kinda unnecessary though it will make people paranoid of being swindled. there's already enough reforming nice guys scared of showing a shred of kindness for others. on the other hand 5k is peanuts for a mob boss so it's not like he ends up losing anything.

NeoreactionSafe · 2017-03-14T01:59:39+00:00

The best Game is when no one knows you have done anything.

Power is gained through the darkness of others.

When you are deceived you are in darkness.

The "unselfish man" is the magician's trick... and you don't yet see that.

ImHereForTheMedals · 2017-03-14T04:31:48+00:00

I feel like I'm in such a good position too start practicing this since i work at a gas station. You can meet the majority of the locals that come in there everyday.

hugaddiction · 2017-03-14T08:16:27+00:00

I worked in com. RE for a while and I met a lot of landlords that sound like they probably have some things in common with your father. I wouldn't describe it the way you did, but the fact that they all have something in common, should suggest that we pay attention to it, and try to replicate it.

My observation was that they were all obsessed with making and saving money. To the point of exhibiting some anti social behavior in some cases, and it didn't matter. No one cared how weird they were, they were rich, and whether they deserved it or not, people respected them. (attended their bklava parties and offered their kid's jobs out of respect and mutual appreciation)

In our tiny little world, these people were responsible for the incomes of their employees, the real estate that their tenant's used for office space, or the warehouse they used to store their products. This is power, it might be in small doses, but these guys own shit. They make decisions that can change people's lives, even if its just an eviction notice or a lawsuit.

These men are dedicating their lives to being rich guys, and you can tell when you see how they don't spend money. Don't get me wrong, some of these guys had some fancy cars, but they didn't let a penny slip when it came to a business deal, or a commission. When I was in the RE business, the rich guy investors would be the first to chop the top off your commission if they thought they could save a buck on the overall price.

I'd bet good money your dad isn't out blowing his money on hookers and blow, and I bet he has one hell of a work ethic. You can't get rich without one.

Oh, and don't let family money, or your dad's success slow your own ambition. No success is sweeter than that which is earned by our own two hands, as an individual, not as "rich greek guy's son", or in both of our cases, "landlord's son".

Rhynovirus · 2017-03-14T03:16:24+00:00

Red pill truth about why nice guys fail.

RXRob · 2017-03-14T08:15:27+00:00

If I receive a £5 tip at work then the feeling that it gives me is worth far more than £5. The universe is in the black economically.

So now I give a £5 tip to people who are doing their job well but aren't in a traditional tipped position. Cashiers, parking attendants, receptionists, etc.

That £5 investment returns £10 of feels. That's my reward.

StoicCrane · 2017-03-14T16:46:52+00:00

Law #12: Use Selective Honesty And Generosity To Disarm Your Victim.

"One sincere and honest move will cover over dozens of dishonest ones. Open hearted gestures of honesty and generosity bring down the guard of even the most suspicious of people. Once your selective honesty opens a hole in their armour you can decieve and manipulate them at will. A timely gift- a Trojan horse-will serve the purpose."

OP"s Dad isn't selfless. He just knows how to work the system.

yummyluckycharms · 2017-03-14T06:18:34+00:00

A lot of things wrong with the OP post.....

In regards to business, it completely ignores the importance of status levels between individuals. If some excel monkey does something selfless for the guy in the corner office, I can assure you, corner office guy doesnt care or even notice. In many ways, corner office guy is routinely given freebies, special access, etc that they come to expect it akin to tribute. When two people of equal status exchange something, especially something as valuable as time, it creates reciprocity.

Women, especially in regards to dating, are takers not givers. You being selfless doesnt impress her - in fact - its often the ones that are greedy (ie. the assholes) that strike her fancy because it demonstrates that drive and ambition. Women want to be close to that because its exclusive and rare - which wouldn't be the case when someone is very giving.

DarkRenaissance · 2017-03-14T09:53:27+00:00

A lot of posters are saying that your dad's playing the long game and I completely agree with them. My dad is a businessman too, and he knows its a trick, one he often uses himself and he's told me so multiple times. Business is essentially fooling and tricking others to extract maximum profit, again from my dad. He's built himself from ground zero into a multi million dollar enterprise too, he knows his shit.

When you're saying that we should establish a habit of selflessness, that is pure BP bullshit. Give a genuine compliment of course, but doing activities of selflessness? That is exactly what Robert Glover talks about - covert contracts 101.

Humans are inherently selfish. You're also playing a long game if you're doing selfless acts for others - the only difference between a BP and a master machiavellian is that the latter is patient, doesn't get angry/lose frame, and knows the percentage of returns on his investments. It is easier for the machiavellian because in all likelihood he's high value and comes from a place of abundance, so he can afford smaller returns. BPs have a scarcity mentality so they want maximum returns as quick as possible. I don't think either of our fathers were inclined to do things for others so easily when they were starting out. Business is full of wolves and there are no nice wolves in this world.

Deep down women know they're good for only one thing, they know they only have one trick up their sleeve. She will never be sick of being offered alpha dick. She does not want a selfless man(for sex at least) - that's the textbook definition of a beta provider.

Do NOT establish selflessness. Put yourself first because no one ever fucking will(except maybe your parents). Be selfish, vet your friends and your plates, and do whatever the fuck you have to do to reach wherever it is you want to reach. If it involves doing small favours for others, do them. But don't go along with this 'selflessness' script in your head. People will smile in front of your face and crush you behind your back, they will extract whatever they can from you because you're letting them. That's just the way it is. Please read No More Mr. Nice Guy if you liked the original post.

SisyphosOnTop · 2017-03-14T12:32:19+00:00

True selflessness doesn't exist. Everything you do, even if it's helping little children in Africa, is motivated to improve your life. Social Circle, Prestige, Reputation, etc.

You call your dad selfless. I call him cunning.

FairlyNaive · 2017-03-14T08:13:32+00:00

Can sign under every single letter. TRP needs more posts like this.

lyricalmiraclespirit · 2017-03-14T08:23:12+00:00

As a Greek myself who grew up in the states I'm convinced that Greek people are some of the most compassionate people in the world. My family has shown me nothing but unending love and I will continue to do so in return until the day I die.

februaryrich · 2017-03-14T10:27:12+00:00

It's a bit ironic since you refer to woman a lot.

scrotalimplosion · 2017-03-14T12:06:11+00:00

Couldn't agree more. People know when you're using them for a certain purpose. It becomes different when they know you're interested because you're generally benevolent.

LymanRP · 2017-03-14T16:16:36+00:00

Gift giving, going out of your way, and helping others isn’t beta if you’re not sacrificing your own well-being and aren’t doing it with ulterior motives.

Coulnd't agree more. Being benevolent from a position of strength-- because you legitimately want to, not because you expect something in return--is not Beta.

pbgswd · 2017-03-14T18:31:41+00:00

TRP is a hell of a lot more than worrying about the girls. They are only a minor part. Use TRP to make your life work, not just stuff about the girls.

verdantsound · 2017-03-14T18:39:41+00:00

I do alright in terms of being genuinely interested in someone and setting up fun dates that are tailored to our interests, but the issue then becomes I become more of a fun friend than a romantic interest. How do you balance the two?

nascentmaterial · 2017-03-17T16:40:20+00:00

True, I'm learning a great deal I admit. And my MOS is Marine Corps comunnications as Cybernetwork Operator. Haven't left for boot camp yet still waiting on some stuff

TheTrueLord · 2017-03-19T05:42:56+00:00

We are always nicer to people close to us or people above us. You'll be respective towards your professor, or your girlfriend's parents, or the popular kid in school, to the hottest girl in your batch(yah, leniency being directly proportional to how big her racks are). But being inherently selfish in nature, we wonder why we should be nice to the chai-wala, or the security guard standing by the gate. The guy filling refueling gasoline at the petrol pump doesn't deserve our niceness or our kindness. We tell ourselves the line between being generous and being a cuck is a thin one, yet we cross it all the time when with people who we consider and/or who are superior than us one or other way around. Everytime I go the nearest dhaba for a chai, I personally greet the folks there, the same for the guys at the Fuel pumps. I bring this up because I have been inquired by people a one too many times for this behavior. Why be nice to these guys? What do I possibly get out of it? Isn't it pointless? Well, I am the type of person who sees everything as pointless and yet we play along with all this pointlessness, more wouldn't bother me but it would make somebody's day and change their opinion of me. Obviously, I am not going to invite these guys over to fuck my girlfriend. To me, there’s a fine line between being generous and being a cuck. Only if everybody was taking lessons from behavioral economics, or from politicians, or were less paranoid, we would be a in a better place. I mean the world wouldn't be a good place in the true sense, but it will be more connected. After all, there's nothing good, nor bad. No angels, or demons...just gray areas. There are no good people, no bad people either. Just smart and dumb people, and on that scale somewhere, all of us fall.

JamesSkepp · 2017-03-13T23:33:15+00:00

As shown in this post, the paradigm of selflessness can be applied in (...), dating, (...)

Field tested?

How this can be applied to you: when you go to the bar and talk to a woman, do it for the enjoyment of the situation. Don’t do it for a number and don’t do it because you see the potential for sex. People, especially women, can smell when you’re doing something for ulterior motives vs doing it for the love of doing it.

You're mistaking self-lessness with outcome independence.

You are talking with her b/c it's fun for you, not b/c you have no ulterior motive. You have a motive, she want's you to have it, otherwise if she detects no sexual-motive in you, she'll classify you as dickless beta, she'll reciprocate selflessness even, just won't fuck you - ever.

MrAcceleration · 2017-03-14T04:53:06+00:00

WEW LAD there goes the women have psychic powers to smell fear, beta genes, and desire again...i had to double check and make sure this wasn't twoxchromosomes Jesus

arealbigboss · 2017-03-14T09:47:01+00:00

Being nice is the true redpill

dking168 · 2017-03-13T23:15:48+00:00

How can you enjoy talking to women and dealing with their drama? If it was my choice, I would stay at home and play video games. But I just want to get laid, so how can I "enjoy the process" when all I care about is the end result.

Title	The difference between being selfless and being a cuckold: How to succeed in business, dating, and life.
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