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[–]fuzzyface1980 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link
For my own mental sanity I can't deal with that.
She wants to shove her mental cock up your nose and spray a load of emotional jizz all over your vaginal brain. You are making her wait to do this.
She does not like that. She is then trying to initiate once again, getting more and more blue balled the longer she waits and the more you reject her.
By STFU, you are basically star fishing your wife. She realized she needed to cuddle you as a type of foreplay before she got to the mind fucking. She was happy and thus let you fuck her.
How strange is that?!
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[–]fuzzyface1980 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Well, do you like a little cuddle and fucking to hear her out? Better way to do it, right? Read my recent post for noobs. That is the answer you should consider for right now.
[–]fuzzyface1980 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
https://www.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill/comments/4ycm3d/noob_translation_of_mrp/
[–]HopefullyAlphaSoon0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Guys just a quick question, what does DEER mean? I cant seem to find it anywhere.
[–]redearththeory1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
This is powertalk op. She is just criticising you to gain the upper hand.
I want to tell her I left because of her shifty mood and attitude.
She knows that. But she is trying to refuse to have that discussion by forcing you to have this one.
She called and said she isn't ok with me just leaving and that is disrespectful
You follow our advice and refuse so she tries to force you to have this discussion
FYI there is no point of even telling you how I feel about an issue if it's not even going to be addressed. So your telling me I'm supposed to release my feelings now at 6am and in 7 hours well then resolve the issue.
Its not about facts, its about dominance.
But OP, did you reward this behaviour?
, I told her I wanted to fuck before bed, she got on her knees, we did, then I went to sleep.
Cause you shouldnt expect good behaviour to be repeated if you punish it by leaving without saying goodbye.
[–]redearththeory1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
With my comment, I wanted you to see whats really happening here. The important thing is for you, and only you, to make decisions for yourself. At the start of any fight, you should consider whether she's right and if she is, you make that decision and apologize. The decisions which are material to your current situation are
1) Whether her shitty mood and attitude was acceptable.
2) Whether it was acceptable behavior for you to leave without saying goodbye in response to her attitude.
3) Whether you need to talk about that at all.
4) When you will be discussing it.
OP, you get to make all of the above decisions as soon as you realize that you get to make all of the above decisions. She will tell you that you are not allowed to make those decisions and that you need to let her make them. Bullshit. You decide. Then inform her of your decision. You can explain your reasons for deciding - briefly. But at some point you will need to tell her very clearly that you are not asking for her permission to decide any of this because you are a grown fucking man and only you decide the acceptability of your behavior. You also decide who you spend time around. And if she can't behave like an adult, you'll go spend time elsewhere. If she continues to act shitty, leave for a few hours.
[–]Countpudyoola 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Why are you answering the phone?
The rest of what she said is irrelevant. It's the reward for you failing the shit test of being too readily available when she's being a crab.
And bro , dyethc (do you even track her cycle?). How many days out from Aunt Flo is she (or the sugar pills in the pack)?
Do you KNOW when to be scarce. Have thicker skin and be prepared for O.I.? If not, you set yourself up for surprise.
We talked for a minute, I told her I wanted to fuck before bed, she got on her knees, we did, then I went to sleep.
I mean this is great and all, but wouldn't it have been better if you just shut down or weren't there for the shit parts leading up to it?
Are you absorbing her bad feelings for that day a prerequisite for getting to bust a nut?
[–]Jrknighton 2 points2 points2 points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
She is playing chess, you are playing checkers. She really seems to have the power in this relationship and has figured you out. Do you mention TRP to her or give hints that you are improving yourself for validation? Work on stoicism - she seems to be in your head.
[–]Jrknighton1 point 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
You are obviously in her frame. Step back and look at the big picture for a bit instead of focusing on every little thing she does in response to you.
Do you have a MAP? If not then get one and focus on it so that you are not in her frame with every response that she makes. Staying in your own frame is not easy at first from my own personal experience - but once it clicks it really gets easier.
[–]LBEB800 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Agreed. It doesn't seem like OP has really absorbed the basics yet at all, which is a shame for how long he has been posting about relationship stuff.
[–]UEMcGillI am become McGill, Destroyer of Blue Pill1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Amidst all the call for STFU and AA and the like, there are sometimes you still need to talk to your wife. As another poster said, WISNIFG is your friend on this one.
When she calls on the phone to discuss life changing shit, stop it right there. Make her own it, "Listen, I respect you enough to give you the attention you deserve. I can't have this conversation right now. Especially over the phone, right?"
If she starts to get out of hand, call her shit. Tell her, "When you're ready to put your big girl panties on, and have an adult discussion, I'm ready too." This is a great tactic, because there is only one way she can save face in this situation. If she continues to act like a spoiled little girl, you've made your point. This is an instant game changer for my wife. She calms down faster than if someone pushed the morphine drip. Women are about social cohesion, and this works in that manner.
Reward her good behavior with praise and attention.
"FYI there is no point of even telling you how I feel about an issue if it's not even going to be addressed. So your telling me I'm supposed to release my feelings now at 6am and in 7 hours well then resolve the issue...."
This was a ploy on her part if you didn't notice. She wanted you to take responsibility for her feelings. She wanted you to feel guilty for the way she felt. This is easy to deal with.
"Babe, I understand you feel that way [FOGGING], but those are your feelings, I can't fix them."
She will flip her shit, but if you keep repeating it, [BROKEN RECORD] it may get through to her. Don't let her force you into her frame, via this tactic.
As another poster said, read WISNIFG again. It'll help.
[–]redmountainpill 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
You did a great job of walking away and telling her when you would be available to talk. That showed her that she was being bitchy, yet not tuning her out completely. Any hamstering that she does over the next 7 hours is completely on her. I would go radio silence until 1pm. It's the nicest thing you can do for her because you've been an asshole that's tried to fix every one of her problems in the past. She has to learn to regulate her emotions.
And the part about telling her you're done with the relationshit if she doesn't shape up? Come on man, you're in no position to lay down ultimatums. That's a beta bitch move
[–]redmountainpill 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
If you give her an ultimatum right now she won't respect it. First, have you read WISING? If you have, re-read it because you obviously haven't internalized the concepts. It's ok to set boundaries. This is one I've done with my wife:
"If you are yelling, name-calling, or otherwise vile in a discussion, I will walk away for a period of time and we will try again."
You do this when things are calm and not in the heat of the moment. The key is you have to stick to it. She has learned that the only way to reach you is to cry or yell or be bitchy. And you've responded to it in the past. You have to show her that there are better ways of resolving conflict.
Also, just don't fight with her. Don't engage. 90% of fights will go away if you don't let your feelings get out of control.
[–]redmountainpill 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Let her go. Enjoy the time alone. That's the greatest gift she could give you. Dude, you are so emotionally wrapped up in this woman it's sick. She might cheat on you. All women are capable of it. And so what if she does? Does it make you any less of a man? Is your entire self-worth dependent on whether there is another dick inside your wife? There's been dicks in it before.
Shit, I'd welcome my wife cheating on me. It would make any exclusivity I have with her null and void. I'd finally bang the 20 year olds who flirt with me at work.
Maybe I'm different because I've never really had oneitis for my wife, so it's hard for me to empathize with your situation. I think you need to work on self-esteem, the irrational self-confidence that we talk about here. Besides your wife, what do you have going for you in your life that you're really proud of? If she died today, what would you focus your energy on?
As for the female friends, make sure you're not going too fast. The goal is not to make your wife think you're cheating. It's to make her think that you have options. I'd take it as a good sign that she thinks you're capable of getting your dick wet with another woman. Plus, women make shitty friends. Seriously, it's all emotion and shit. They're slow, small, and can barely make layups. My guess is that you hang out with them cuz you secretly hope you'll get laid by one of them.
[–]redmountainpill 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Why is that your worst fear? Rising interest rates should generate more fear
[–]Scurvemuch 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Shit tests like no other ensue.
hehe no man...
shit tests like all of them....
OI/ Abundance means that if she chooses to leave, thats ok. Basic manipulation on her end.
If you are so low in her mind that she would cheat on you... why the fuck do you care about what she does?
[–]GargantuaBlarg29 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You dont want to DEER? YOU DID DEER. When you EXPLAINED that you had to go to work you lied (weak) and it was an explanation for your actions. I couldn't even read the middle paragraph because I didn't want to hear her bitching and putting you in your place.
A good way to get her to knock that shit off is to set boundaries, but you do not appear to be at a level capable of doing that. Dont answer the phone, STFU, and improve yourself first. Make as if she unfortunately lives in the same house as you, but other than that you want no part of her. Fix you. Then lead her.
[–]GargantuaBlarg29 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I feel like I have to say something
You don't. You don't owe her any kind of explanation. That's what don't DEER means.
There's no formula that works in every situation. It mostly depends on the message you're trying to get across. If the message is: then use:
I'm not taking you seriously: Agree and Amplify
I see what you're doing. Cute: Amused Mastery
I'm not acknowledging your opinion even exists: STFU
Fuck you, knock it off: Nuke (try not to use).
And finally...I'm the leader, you better fall in line: Setting boundaries
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