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[–]jeeohnjones 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
It was fine until the last 4 words. Then the music started up in my head and I forgot everything.
[–]MRPCowboy 1 points1 points1 points 10 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Katy Perry or Survivor?
[–]il-est-ressuscite 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Duh....Katy should make being decorative her sole focus. No more singing. Unless with Snoop. Lol
[–]MRPCowboy1 points 10 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
Well, I'll be honest... I got in a train of thought tangent and ended up with Paul Winter Consort.
[–]il-est-ressuscite 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I've been on the DJ Khaled radio on Pandora all morning and that's a train to another place.
[–]il-est-ressuscite 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Ted is that you? I didn't know they let you guys have computers there in the supermax. Colorado is pretty liberal I guess.
[–]MRPCowboy2 points 10 years ago* [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link
Escaped!
Lessons learned:
blonds attracted to (a.k.a. "terrified by") math
"terrorist!" is the new "rapist!"
ignore 30-something blonds at your own peril
[–]il-est-ressuscite 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Lol! Lol!! Let's hope this time around he limits his crimes to disseminating execrable essays such as this one.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Can you tell me what makes it execrable?
[–]il-est-ressuscite 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Lol. Really? Is this about help with your homework you have to turn in on Monday? Maybe if you get lucky your teacher won't care enough to even read it. Ok, here's a list:
1)mis-modification
2)sweeping generalizations
3)unsupported arguments
4) Your writing style bites "so alarming and shocking is their way of life that a name has been given to them" - ick.
And here's another winner - "Nowadays it is celebrated but from the masses sitting in front of the television on their well cushioned bottoms"
5)"good ole days"
6)"It used to be clear when someone needed a rock to lean on" - huh?
7)Companies are abstract?
8) It sounds like you are trying to reach some word limit. Just say what you mean. Clear, concise, concrete.
9)"Who knows when it may come in useful to be a manly man?"
How about now?
http://i.imgur.com/4fMlaZE.png
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
That's more like it.
Although your sarcasm wasn't really necessary, I can now say that this is more constructive and useful to me.
Thanks,
[–]What_is_real_anymore 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Don't be butthurt. Sarcasm is how men sharpen each other. Should be part of your manifesto. In fact, tldr it. Man the fuck up and quit being butthurt. Clear and concise. Morality is not manliness and manliness is not morality.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Very perceptive. You knew I was feeling the burn although I was being civil. Thanks for the reminder, you are right about sarcasm and growth.
As for morality, it is true classically speaking but do you think there is a place for morality being a crucial ingredient in the future (however far away) for manliness? Because if there is, then someone is going to have to start.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Not Ted and not at a supermax. Got any juicy critique for me?
Well, not sure how juicy this is but an academic exposition of manhood wouldn't really leap right to tinder by the third paragraph. There might be some ground you left uncovered.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It explicitly says that it is not academic.
Lol. The hero within me has poor reading comprehension skills.
[–]cj_aubreyRed Beret 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link
the real problem is that the usual methods by which man was able to appreciate his efforts have gone.
I disagree. Think the real problem is that from an early age most men are taught a life strategy (be a nice guy) that does (edit)not work but they're told it will.
This is important to man because, deep down, he needs to be appreciated for his efforts.
I disagree. Men need women to be attracted to them so that they will respect them, have sex with them and have their children. The need for appreciation is part of the problem.
The economic and political problems are secondary.
In short: we hunt, we build, we protect…all the tasks we are no longer needed to do!
We still attract, fuck, decide, create, build, sell, manage and protect. The buck still stops with us and we deliver results.
Nice guy and economics and politics: nice guy is definitely a big problem that was only implicitly encompassed in the paragraph about bad ideas of manliness. Nevertheless, one cannot ignore that the social policies in place in the west favour the woman and support her to such an extent that she can safely avoid marriage or get out of marriage. That is why divorce rates rose so drastically following their implementation. The bar for a man and a successful partnership has been set higher than it ever was before. I am arguing that instead of blaming indoctrination or social policies or whatever, we look at the world for what it truly is and make the appropriate changes happen.
The buck: I don't think the buck does stop with us in this modern world actually, precisely because of the continual erosion and obsolescence of men in society. Finally, I see modern man as being on a journey of self discovery, and that the only real results that are worth delivering are the ones made while on the path of self realisation and mastery. Perhaps it is cynical of me to say this but not that many modern men are doing this. It does however make me hopeful and appreciate that communities like this exist.
Thanks again for the critique.
[–]cj_aubreyRed Beret 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
Important: One thing we need to be clear on is that I'm an individual responding to you and I don't speak for MRP. To my knowledge MRP has no spokesman and, even if we did, it wouldn't be me. It will be factually inaccurate to quote anything anything here as "MRP says...", "This is endorsed by MRP" or anything similar.
I think there are 2 core problems with modern marriage.
The core exchange in human hetero romantic relationships is that the woman provide sex (which is men's primary interest) and men provide commitment (women's primary interest). In modern marriage the state will enforce the man's obligation (commitment) but not the women's. This give women huge power and makes the arrangement a terrible proposition for men. I'm not saying the solution is the state forcing women to fuck their husbands because clearly that's not a good solution for many reasons. But the current state of the marriage contract is not in men's interest.
Modern women demand an equal partnership with men. However, women's sexual attraction is based admiration and submission, which is destroyed by an having equal partnership where the man is not dominant. I think most men would be fine with an equal relationship, it just won't work sexually. And the women will usually be baffled as to why she's not attracted to her husband even though he's doing everything she's been told he's supposed to do.
The buck stops with me.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks for your clear and well written input. It has given me ideas about how to improve this manifesto.
Appreciation: I will adjust it to make it clear that appreciation was meant without the connotations of being needy.
Something like this: real appreciation is knowing what you are worth, knowing what other people are worth, and acting accordingly. If your partner does not appreciate you, it may be because she does not know what you are worth, or because you are not worth appreciating. When work was the domain of man and there was no social welfare, man's work was appreciated and men and women knew how they showed their appreciation way back when. This world is different so man has to think and work harder to actually BE more useful so he can be appreciated for being useful.
[–]cj_aubreyRed Beret 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I still think placing any value on appreciation is ego based and a source of weakness. Men are replaceable and only valuable to women based on what they do. Real strength is knowing that I am not intrinsically worth anything to anyone but me, nor should I be. This is a place without ego and its fragility. I walk alone and I have only what I attract or build.
I see what you mean now and agree that ego has no place in manliness.
[–]over60_stupid_loner 1 points1 points1 points 10 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I just don't much care for this type of post. I have read all of this in one form or another before. It is just tedious and long to me. Guess it would be valuable to some as a long summary of more in depth thinking, just not for me.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Thanks for the critique. I understand that this kind of essay is nothing new for the already converted as they have already well familiarised themselves with the material by experience and working through the reading list.
Once again, this is a manifesto for those that are still plugged in and therefore requires input from the community to help them realise what is going on.
[–]over60_stupid_loner 2 points2 points2 points 10 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Invariably, no one comes to MRP unless they have hit the pit of despair. Without that level of motivation very few would enter here, and stay...
I disagree about the need for despair to take the red. Within my own social group, which is not even that big, I know of 2 people who have taken the red without having a catastrophe happen to them or be imminently visible. Counting myself, that would then be 3. As far as I know, the common trend was a desire to learn about the world and be willing to have our beliefs be challenged. The idea for the manifesto was to smooth the way for those people that are not (yet) in the pit of despair.
I understand what you are getting at, though, because experience is powerful and gives us the wisdom and understanding needed to appreciate the values of MRP. Is that the only way? It is a question of strategy, I suppose, and maybe not worth it if only a minority will be able to grasp what is being said....
[–]What_is_real_anymore 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
The thing is, you don't force this on blue pillars. You don't even convince, argue, or cajole. They (we) find it on our own. If you want to add your voice to the manosphere, then sweet. But if you want to preach the gospel to the plugged in, well, street corner conversions don't really happen or stick without real relationship and sharing pain. No pamphlet ever convinced anyone of anything. Of course, you do you. Something for you to think about as you consider your objectives and your motivation.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
True, nothing can be forced into understanding, I agree that proselytizing is not the way forward. This manifesto was conceived to be used as a loose template to use by RPers to slowly wean BP Bill into an initial awareness where BP Bill is simply urged to see things in a new light conductive to RP growth without throwing him into the deep end of RP hardmode, because with that kind of hardmode exposure, BP Bill may end up rejecting it purely out of culture shock...
[–]What_is_real_anymore 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'd be interested to see how that pans out. Personally, I was BP until I was too angry to not be anymore, which is when I found RP. Can't speak for other men, but for me it was hard mode or nothing. Sure, in my gut I knew something was wrong with blue pill behavior, but I couldn't put my finger on it. I'd hardly call that slowly waking to RP. Once I found RP, everything came into sharp focus immediately. Unplugging is work, not waking up. That happens on day 1 reading the sidebar wiki.
[–]stonepimpletilists 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
So you posted this in the manosphere. What have you read in the manosphere so far? What have you done? Ever done PUA?
I don't want to say this reads like someone who walked onto a plane and started writing an instruction manual, based on looking at the overhead compartments, but...
Though I'm thinking you just finished Platos republic, or somesuch? If you want to narrate like you're taking me on an adventure, I better well see the value for me, and not just see you listening to the sound of your own voicce.
As much as it sounds interesting to watch a guy jerk off in the mirror, then throw it in his own face... It's not.
Also, play with the size, italics, bold, and whitespace. This looks like a giant wall of grey Ben-Day dots
Ok, you don't like the style nor the content and formatting.
If I take your word for it, then I should start completely anew. Let's run with that: what suggestions do you have for an RP manifesto that will bridge the gap (without the culture shock of unadulterated RP content) for BP to RP? So that we don't have to watch BP Bill having the truth smack him in the face with an almost failed marriage? See what I am getting at? A way to pass on the wisdom like an inocculating shot that stops the flu before it gets bad...I don't want to watch poor Bill get the full on flu and maybe recover from it.
[–]stonepimpletilists 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I'm going to go back to the first question. what have you read so far in the sidebar readings?
Then, ask yourself. What is it about your writing that would benefit me above what's already there?
Do you know what a manifesto is? Do you know what the target audience is? It is the first thing I wrote. Take the time to read properly and maybe I will take you seriously.
Edit spelling
[–]stonepimpletilists 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good luck with your essay.
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