considering going MGTOW but at the same time do not want to "give up".

BrunoOh · 2014-10-23T19:45:07+00:00

Do you do anything where you actually meet women? It might just be that your dating skills need work. And you do need to spend some time on women.

the occasional 4/10 girl on POF

Have some self respect. Date higher or get an escort.

I feel like 20 years from now I will regret not trying "harder"

You can still bang the grannies when you're in a retirement home.

Ralt · 2014-10-23T22:37:10+00:00

I keep a shared journal with my brother as we both swallow TRP and journey through life. I explained my desire to be MGTOW for a while (Also called "Monk Mode") thusly:

Chasing women at this point requires an inappropriate amount of time required as well as money even just for sluts, as well as the mere fact that I must interact with a bar slut. I lived for years surrounded by sluts either as roommates or girlfriends, I don't enjoy them and when I look at why I was interested in them at all was purely a sexual evaluation which I've already re-evaluated and realized is not that important and actually quite a trap. Women are dream killers, and I don't mean that in a malicious way most of the time, merely interacting with one on a constant level will shift and change your priorities around them simply because we're men and we are providers. So where someone might have really gone out and achieved something they instead decided to settle down because that's what they were taught they should do and that's where they will find life fulfillment instead of creating and building something unique, fascinating, and challenging, that could revolutionize who they are and what they're doing with their life.

They’re not just dream killers in the sense of if you get locked down either, it's about the raw primal instinctual shift that I've noticed that happens to men when they commit either to a girlfriend or a marriage all the way down to just chasing pussy. You have to run like 200% more mental calculations because you need to consider another person in every action you do or take and then multiply that by how many “prospects” you have. That's just a microcosm of the effects if you extrapolate it all the way out some crazy fucking shit could happen like if I had started banging some woman during my drug treatment phase I could have ignored my current boss because more of my time would have been devoted elsewhere and I could be working at fucking god-knows-where. When I desire true conversation and help and creativity I look towards my brethren, I really cannot recall more than a handful of times where I had a truly intellectually stimulating conversation with a woman. I cannot recall a time where I was talking with a woman and then was inspired and went on to do something, at best it's always been a break-even with a severe loss of time as a result of interacting with them. Of course I'm jaded, and I've experienced the truly raw end of the stick in regards to women, but even if I hadn't, I feel these are pretty strong logical arguments and I've been pondering over them for at least a year now. What do i really want out of life? A family? A woman? A beautiful vision? A worthwhile struggle? There are too many fascinating things to do with my life, it's the default operating system to find a woman and reproduce, I want to build my code beyond that and accomplish something novel or at least something that I can be proud of and I think the human brain is capable of that as long as you are disciplined.

I don’t feel guilty or bad about adopting this stance, I feel that I have incorporated a very key element from the female imperative in as much as I now value women in the same methods that women value men, I am hypergamous. I, just like women, assign external objects with static (unchangeable, such as sexual history) and dynamic values (Current job, current friends, etc) and live by those evaluations. I do not see inherent value in anything, it has to transcend it’s own definition to be worthy of obtaining value. It’s how I don’t value whether a woman is nice, or if a woman will give me sex, or if she’s adequately intelligent. All of those things I feel should be inherent to a woman and thus are valueless. It’s the equivalent of them writing their name on a test in school, I am glad they can do it but can they get any farther? The same logic is applied to myself, what do I currently offer besides being nice, providing sex, and being moderately intelligent? If my own standards for a mate are so high, I must expect the same in return. If anything, a woman who is naturally hypergamous will probably test me harder and expect more, even if I try to exist in a mindstate of hypergamy they will probably one up me on being hypergamous simply because that’s their operating system and it’s only a language addon pack for me that I clicked install on when I re-built myself.

kingofpoplives · 2014-10-23T20:42:29+00:00

If it's frustrating you there's nothing wrong with taking a few months off from thinking about pussy. Then come back and reevaluate with a clear head.

I feel as if its just going to get harder and harder from now on.

This is the reality of getting older, and an important reason not to base your entire self image around who is willing to fuck you.

my self improvement has no produced any results with the opposite sex

Raising your smv won't bring higher results unless you bring it to market. You don't mention anything about failed dating attempts. How much contact have you actually made with women?

LineOfCoke · 2014-10-23T21:09:53+00:00

Few people go mgtow forever. Its usually a thing that people do early in the red pill process, when the mental wound of realizing everything society has told you about women and sex is a horrible lie designed to hold you down. Eventually most guys gtf over it after a time. This period is important because it teaches you to do things for yourself and find happiness independent of romance. This actually contributes you becoming a proper red pill male.

648262 · 2014-10-23T23:39:26+00:00

Stop using tinder or other online dating. Completely.

Do more socializing.

abcd_z · 2014-10-23T23:47:39+00:00

It gets a bad rap around here, but I think PUA is exactly what you're looking for. It's like TRP, but with a laser focus on finding women and getting laid in a relatively short amount of time from meet to sex. (generally 4-10 hours, 3 dates max)

PUA Polyamory subreddit

Sedfast Forum, the successor to the mASF seduction newsgroup and the now-gutted fastseduction.com.

Title	considering going MGTOW but at the same time do not want to "give up".
Author	metallica11
Upvotes	5
Comments	10
Date	October 23, 2014 7:15 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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