Going vegetarian?

SuperSlavisWife · 2014-12-17T14:14:38+00:00

I was vegan until I was 6, vegetarian (no animals) until I was 8, Spanish diet from 8 to 13, anorexic at 13, obese by 15, standard diet from 15 to 18 (very low calorie, low meat, lost weight), Paleo diet from 18-20, currently wholefoods with restricted carbs from all sources. Read extensively on diet from age 16, when I crashed my weight down and started getting fit.

My discoveries:

-Vegan diets really don't work for many people. Most of my childhood ailments could be attributed to the vegan wholefoods diet I was raised on, especially as they went away when I started consuming offal.

-Humans are opportunistic omnivores. We adapt to any diet, from 100% animal to 100% plant, at least enough to survive and reproduce.

-However, each ethnicity seems to have adaptations to their own diets. The livers of the Inuit, for example, process sugars very differently from the livers of the San. The Slavic Baltic peoples (such as myself) have pointed molars that fit together like serrated scissors for tearing thick skin and raw fat. The diet of the ancestors you most resemble is likely the best diet for you. Tweaking will be needed, though.

-All humans benefit from consuming fish. Even those who live in areas where fish was inaccessible. Pescetarians are the heathiest group of humans by diet, regardless of their environment or ethnicity.

-Human anatomy more resembles that of an omnivore. It's why we have sharp teeth and grinding teeth, a stomach acid that dissolves cartilage and a stomach wall that absorbs fat as well as a liver that processes fermented food, a long, enzyme-filled small intestine and a very short, bacteria-filled, plant-digesting large intestine. We produce enzymes to digest all forms of fat and protein from all sources bar legumes (which are digested in the intestine, when they're digested at all). We are definitely omnivores.

-Modern food is awful for you. Whatever you eat in terms of provenance and macros, eat whole, minimally processed foods.

-Many foods have lectins You can become sensitized to the specific lectins of any food you eat in excess, such as soy, wheat or potatoes. Once sensitized it is very hard to correct.

-Grains, red meat, dairy, legumes, nuts, etc aren't necessarily bad for you. But if people of your ethnicity didn't consume them in any amount, your body may not be adapted to digest them. Only a small minority of the world's population can efficiently digest milk. Likewise for kidney beans, lentils, beef, tree nuts, blood, etc. And most of these groups are exclusive. So chances of you perfectly digesting all of the "dubious substances" are VERY slim. Try an elimination diet to asses how well you digest each one.

-Saturated fat and cholesterol is good for you unless you have a pre-exsting pancreatic dysfunction.

-Carbohydrates are good for you unless you are diabetic, obese, formerly diabetic or formerly obese.

-Protein is good for you unless you have a pre-existing kidney or gallbladder condition.

-Fasting is great whatever your dietary needs.

-The human body is not a mass-produced machine. Some people need no meat to feel amazing. Some people feel sick without it. Some people can eat kilos of legumes. Some people develop autoimmune problems on such a diet. Your favoured diet will most closely resemble that of your ancestors, not that of your mate Gary, mm'kay?

That's all for now. Ask about anything else you want to know, or if you want any book recommendations.

vandaalen · 2014-12-17T10:32:43+00:00

Saturated animal fats are essential for building testosterone and bulking also is more difficult, unless you want to consume tons of protein shakes.

Vegan isn't natural. That's bullshit. Our whole digestive system, from teeth to exit, is that of an omnivore. Vegan is a religion and not a diet.

Also my well-being has significantly increased, since I switched my diet to /r/keto. My diet basically only consists of animal fat and proteins, to oversimplify.

The "vegetarian don't get cancer" might be the biggest bullshit I've heard this week. I even no a dude who's been vegetarian for 30 years and was rewarded with prostate cancer.

In fact there are studies suggesting, that quitting carbs and entering ketosis will counter growth of cancer. It looks like ketones just aren't good enough fuel for the cancerous cells to keep up their fast growth, amd they need glycogene. Google on that.

So it basically comes down to your own morals. I don't despise of a vegetarian diet, as long as I am not forced to practice it, but it is in no way more or less healthy, than any other proper nutrition.

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DrunkSkeleton · 2014-12-17T23:34:24+00:00

Been a vegitard for 7 years now, experimented with veganism bouts. I'll sum it up for you. You can eat way more vegetarian shit and get away with it, end up getting more cut and having more energy. Dairy is bad news and should be avoided but don't feel bad if your favorite food is pizza and you still want to eat it. Stay away from 'diet' artificial colors/flavoring, and preservatives. Don't talk about your diet, let the results speak for themselves. And lastly, do what works for you - fuck labels.

Yellowfever24 · 2014-12-17T09:53:05+00:00

I've been a vegetarian for six years.

RZA, Ghostface, Raekwon, and Masta Killa of wutang are all vegetarians. Dead Prez is too, I think.

There's plenty of people who've proven it's even possible to bodybuild being vegan.

Overall, there's a lot of data to back up it's healthier (or, at minimum, just as healthy as non-vegetarian/vegan diets), better for the environment, and there's the ethical factors, too.

As far as TRP relation goes, you might get shit-tested for being vegetarian, but that's it. Hold frame and there's no downsides as I've experienced.

Title	Going vegetarian?
Author	I3luee
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Comments	28
Date	December 17, 2014 9:45 AM UTC (11 years ago)
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