Had a discussion about going MGTOW / not having a wife

oldredder · 2015-02-15T05:48:50+00:00

Well, he's wrong: his life isn't complete because he's less of a man. For those of us that aren't, no such feelings happen.

My life is complete because no woman is in it to fuck it up. I've never had a girlfriend make my life "complete". Hell, I don't think any bitch as even made me a sammich or dinner when I dated them... ever. What the hell do I need? Sex. That's it.

If you feel this emptiness your life is lesser than other men. Improve until you have real value, real skills, real knowledge of life, and there will be no such feeling.

Nothing in me wants/needs a deep emotional bond. Not now, not ever.

InternationalAcclaim · 2015-02-15T02:21:55+00:00

By choosing to be not married, odds are you're childless, it's a guilt due to the zoning out of sole human instinct to reproduce, and societies pressure to settle down.

However if you're aware of why, no matter the reason, you can get over it.

W_O_M_B_A_T · 2015-02-15T02:25:48+00:00

how does red pill / mgtow explain this emptiness?

You are not at peace with yourself and don't have a healthy relationship with yourself.

Furthermore you don't have someone you can confide in and tell your troubles, dark secrets, and failures to. This doesn't need to be a LTR. It can be a family member you are close to, or longtime friend. This kind of vulnerability and emotional "straight talk" is, in fact necessary for mental health.

The problem is that most women are adept at exploiting vulnerability and using it to manipulate others. In my experience they tend to lack any kind of moral compass in this pursuit. It's a deep part of their sexual strategy.

ClassicGoth · 2015-02-15T06:40:20+00:00

I'm 46, DWM, and am 1/2 time dad to 2 kids. Previously, I had been in a relationship/married to a woman for almost 20 years. I have a t-girl as a plate, and more are lining up. Here are my thoughts:

Kids: I love my kids. I'm glad I had them. They're not "my world" or anything, but they're fun. Definitely have kids, if you think you'd like them. They're horribly expensive and a pain in the ass, but worth it.

Wife: Great to have while you still believe in the illusion of "happily ever after". You can invest yourself 100% in a marriage and still fail. And if you hit a moment of weakness, like business failure or job loss, even the best one will stick around for a bit, but pretty soon, she's packing her shit and leaving you. At the end of my marriage, I was earning a full-time salary on part-time work, cooking, cleaning, showing up at daytime kids' events, etc. It's never enough. Learn the Red Pill techniques and teach that bitch how to behave.

I went through hell, post-divorce, but I've got money again and life is looking up. I have a great time, hanging out with my friends, working the jobs I want, and banging strange on the side. I pay $500 a month in child support, but it's all the ex will ever get, and I can treat her like a child. And in six years, that support will come to an end. Rest assured: Any weakness that you show, or any kinkiness you have is instantly being reported to her girlfriends or family.

Divorce: Go for the fucking throat. I was way too nice in divorce, letting her keep her 401(k), and giving her child support. Of course, I didn't have lawyer money. Women instigate like 70% of divorces and think that everything is going to be just super after divorce. Prove her wrong. Ruin her.

Tl;dr: Kids are often great. Wives are great as long as bad things don't happen. Which they always do.

sh1v · 2015-02-15T03:10:01+00:00

I have a wife and family and it's fulfilling as fuck. It's good to have people to come home to after a hard day. But I often think about how fulfilling it would be to have complete freedom to take risks, move cross country, start up a full time business, and fuck lots of different women. So it's a trade off no matter what path you go down.

I do think most men have an instinct to protect and provide for a family. Some of it society grinds into you, and some of it's probably hard wired in our DNA. But ultimately it's in your power to break the norms, decide what makes life worth living and pursue that.

Problem with most men is they never stop to think about even having a higher purpose. They just scrape by, and feel empty because that's what their existence is. They also feel lonely because their social life sucks and they aren't at peace with themselves. Then they get a family which does solve the problems partially, but in a way just covers them up.

What I'm getting at is... There's no shame in not pursuing a wife/family, nor is their shame in pursuing one... What matters is making sure YOU choose your path, and making sure you work your ass off to excel at what you do. Live hard, be strong, and have no regrets.

The-Pussy-Whisperer · 2015-02-15T03:44:01+00:00

"Lack of a dog"

ddy4sissy · 2015-02-15T02:14:35+00:00

Thats as bad as the religious people telling me my life is empty because I don't worship their particular imaginary friend. No I'm really quite happy Thank you.

realdev · 2015-02-15T03:03:43+00:00

The guys you're referring to probably don't have fulfilling careers / plates / FWBs / etc.

They are mostly the bottom 30% who all women rejected, and they never could get married.

I do think life in your 40's and 50's might feel a bit empty without children though, personally.

a_nus · 2015-02-15T07:13:38+00:00

Eh, the married question if the grass would be greener on the other side (the single life), and vice versa. For some, having a partner makes them feel "complete", for others being single and having hobbies does. Some never feel complete, and some do no matter the situation.

I really don't believe there's absolutes to this one. It depends on the individual and many other factors.

asd1100 · 2015-02-15T08:01:45+00:00

We perceive people trough our own bias(which is strictly gynocentric and exclusionary).

Think of how religious people perceive atheist. They project onto them either immorality or some inherent lack of wonderment.

Now consider romance, pair bonding and the blue pill framework compared to religion, it is much more pervasive and almost universal. This makes any outlier a instant paria. This is why you perceive them as empty.

Now to be fair a lot of MGTOWs just aren't all that great people to start up with they aren't the type of people that are bubbly, happy and volatile(they would probably not have even swallowed the pill if that where the case). So you have a massive sample bias there, but it's a still recent subculture and as we will evolve prominent MGTOWs will use their freedom in amazing, creative and fulfilling ways which will be emulated and will become the new norm.

fruguy · 2015-02-15T12:12:53+00:00

A woman can't make you happy. I've felt like shit both in and out of relationships. That emotional bond can disappear very quickly if a better suitor comes along.

redpilldude · 2015-02-15T18:37:22+00:00

You dont have that deeper emotional bond with someone.

I'm in my early thirties, and I was married for 5 years. Women are nice and they bring some companionship, but if you're expecting a deep emotional bond from your wife, you're going to be disappointed. My experience with women and relationships is that women get into serious relationships because they want someone who will take care of them and provide for them. The "deep emotional bond" is an extreme exaggeration. In my experience, many women are actually very judgemental of men's problems. For example, if you are having problems with your boss at work and worried that you might get fired, your wife will not be very supportive. Instead, she will start nagging you and asking probing questions in order to determine whether you're good enough for her. If you do get fired from your job, don't expect your wife to be there to help you pick up the pieces and find another job. Unemployment is one of the biggest factors that causes divorce. As Chris Rock said, "If you lose your job, you will lose your woman."

From my experience, you can actually have deeper relationships with close friends than you can with a gf or a wife.

Title	Had a discussion about going MGTOW / not having a wife
Author	fakeAk
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Date	February 15, 2015 1:44 AM UTC (11 years ago)
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