Mark Manson's Models vs TRP Ideals

redd_reality · 2018-02-06T15:34:54+00:00

Boundaries.

What manson is talking about is the ability to now where your boundaries are and defending them without having to cross other people's boundaries.

When the bp beta gets burned, because he us needy, he jumps into the narsasist court, which is just as needy, but appears to be non-needy to any observer.

If you keep reading, he explains that by being selfish to the point of crossing other people's boundaries is in fact, just as needy as being the bp beta, as your insecurity is what is motivating your over compensation.

As for dominating women - it is a fine line between understanding women and leading them, and berating them around like a tool.

The integrated alpha is a leader because people respect him and want to follow and support him, while the disintegrated alpha is a leader because he demands others to follow and support him.

Believe it or not, girls are VERY good at sniffing out the narsasist/disintegrated alphas. This is the reason shit tests exist.

GayLubeOil · 2018-02-06T18:39:43+00:00

All of the world's religions universally agree that not only are men and women different but that logic isn't woman's thing. The Germans have a saying kinder kerchen and kirche Children Kitchen and Church.

Our ancestors were not dumber than us. Their traditions held a unique wisdom and when we abandoned them the freaks of post modernism crawled out of the gutters.

So no the world's religions and ethnoculural traditions arnt the work of narcissists. You just read a book by a new age liberal Cucks with no appreciation for ancient wisdom.

Also women love being put in their place so idk what the problem is

RedSkeller · 2018-02-06T15:46:16+00:00

He's not wrong, there is a subtle difference between the guy who gets laid and the guy who gets laid and has to tell everyone about it. Confidence is all about 'acting like you've been there before' and narcissism falls into that category. You can think you're the shit but you still have the play the game to some extent, you will eventually alienate yourself being an arrogant douche but you will have better luck being the arrogant prick who displays kindness every once and a while. Never compensate or make it obvious you're compensating and you'll be in the clear.

redpill_disciple · 2018-02-06T16:22:22+00:00

He’s right but he isn’t describing the entirety of TRP ideals. What he’s describing are men who don’t get themselves out of the ‘anger phase’ after finding TRP. These men will bitch and moan about how unfair the legal system is, label all women as cheating whores, try to find the ‘unicorn’ virgin etc...

If you stick around here fo a bit you’ll find meaningful advice from men who got themselves out of the anger phase. They understand and accept the biological and societal co-evolution that got us to this point. They don’t condemn women though. They understand their operating framework and use TRP as a lense (all theories are lenses) to maximize their utility in such an environment. You can also use Models as a lense to view this environment as well. Theories aren’t gospel. Some work better in certain situations than others. Choose the one that works for you.

TheStumblingWolf · 2018-02-06T17:19:37+00:00

The best way to approach it is to read as much material as you can and decide for yourself what resonates with you and what you want to strive for. If you're in doubt test things our IRL and see what sticks and what doesn't.

PreOrgasmGroanLness · 2018-02-06T17:54:16+00:00

Manson's approach is not anti-RP. It is RP. Does faking a persona make you happy? Does using other people make you happy? I'd say being happy is RP as fuck, whereas the "fake it" approaches such as Roosh's Day Bang are ingenuine and feel wrong. I want to improve myself, not fake someone I'm not.

Being dominant (for men) and submissive (for women) isn't wrong either. It is not inherently wrong for women to take men's lead. It is wrong however, as a man, to use that advantage to hurt, lie to another being, doesn't matter whether it's a woman or a man. I see no need to lie to women. You can be a true person and still get laid. That's what Manson talks about - you'll find more quality partners this way because if you never hide your true self or fake it, you'll naturally strain out the bad from the good. You'll attract the people who already like you, simply because you're easier to find for them because you're behaving genuinely. If you think you need to play games with women you'll attract women who will play those games with you. It's a simple law of attraction that worked, works and will always work across all life areas and applies not just to relationships.

I've found W. Anton's "The Manual" compliment Models' missing pieces.

Another good read is BD's blog. When you exercise control, demand it and set rules, you're being a needy alpha. You're not outcome independent. You're being dependent on what other people do. You give a lot of shits on what she does. Moreover, by exercising this control upon others, you're limiting yourself, because the more rules you put upon another, the more another can put rules upon you.

Women are different and have different goals, but they're not morally inferior to men. I've been observing my friends and the people I know and I've found no observable proof that women are morally inferior. In this regard I've found Rollo (and others alike) to be wrong. All this sub's talk about "honor" and "virtues" is horseshit. Downvote me to your liking.

mae_kit_rein · 2018-02-06T20:51:17+00:00

We're all talking about "The Subtle Art..." correct?

fade2clear · 2018-02-06T17:18:58+00:00

I noticed this myself yesterday when I started the book. I was wondering the same thing.

e4wafc · 2018-02-06T19:36:38+00:00

This guy wrote a bunch of hogwash that somehow got some attention. Probably just a lot of marketing spend. If you paid for it, ask for a refund. Not a single useful sentence in that book.

Title	Mark Manson's Models vs TRP Ideals
Author	lifeisweirdasfuck
Upvotes	19
Comments	25
Date	February 6, 2018 2:34 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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