Why even Bother?

vandaalen · 2018-07-08T10:23:01+00:00

Legitimate option as long as it does not serve as an excuse to stay the loser you are.

wobbleelbbow · 2018-07-08T09:46:39+00:00

The chase. Is better than a catch.

[deleted] · 2018-07-08T11:56:16+00:00

Why even bother getting in a relationship? Why not just earn cash and fuck whores?

It's a legitimate sexual strategy. If it flies, floats or fornicates, it's cheaper to rent.

It's not for the majority, however, because of other factors, but if it works for you, and that's what you want, then that's great. Do your thing. Just realize that it's not a one-size-fits-all.

I'm seeing a lot of whiny, blue-pilled bitchassness in some of the other comments, and I guess that's to be expected, but anyone who has their shit together on a high level is going to tell you the above.

IndecipherableWonder · 2018-07-08T20:22:11+00:00

I fuckin hate this mentality with a burning passion so I'll try and squash it here. I'm not trying to offend you here but you've so clearly stated what I consider a fundamental misunderstanding of TRP so I'm gonna quote it here:

Why spend so much of your time learning the pick up game, trying to charm women, trying to get laid by playing all these games when you can just skip all the bullshit, skip the mundane talks and just get right to the point?

Problem 1: The point isn't fucking a ton of girls. It's a symptom. The point is learning how to get off your ass and stop being such a loser - and, I'm afraid what /u/vandaalen said seems pretty applicable here - you need to consider the possibility that you might be resorting to hookers because you haven't picked yourself up yet.

Problem 2: Some people on TRP have come up with this strange notion that relationships with women can't be healthy, ever. /u/vandaalen, endorsed contributor, called it "bluepill horseshit" in this thread. I see how a horseblinder view of some of the things that get discussed here could lead to that idea, but it most likely stems from one of or a combination of a) getting over a oneitis so crushingly that you never recover; b) mother or father issues; c) you or someone you know getting burned by a fake sexual assault story and extrapolating to all women (sometimes even actually assaulting them and refusing to believe it) d) you've hit the gym, shaved and gotten good at convincing drunk sluts to sleep with you and have confused this with embodying the Pill or e) being near or full incel.

Don't learn pick up game, don't try and charm women, don't try and get laid playing games. Build yourself into someone that women actually want to fuck. If you accept that your misery (in most cases, especially in the west) is not inflicted upon you but projected outwards, you can actually start doing this.

One of the tougher pills to swallow for me was the plain and simple fact that ability to attract women is a biological indicator of your worth as a evolutionary agent, period. I can't lift as much as I'd like to, but I don't blame it on the weights. I don't make as much money as I want to but it's not the money's fault. I don't fuck as many women as I'd like to either, but the problem isn't the women.

Side note: I'm not saying never fuck hookers, but remember they're like cocaine. Fun every so often and I've probably done a wee bit more than I would like to admit. If you start doing it/them sober, and if you start doing them to solve some other problem in your life - like an inability to attract women - you might start realizing that the problem isn't women, or coke, it's you.

4SkinFred · 2018-07-08T09:28:13+00:00

Because you're human and eventually you're going to want a meaningful relationship with another human.

SmamelessMe · 2018-07-08T19:10:02+00:00

Fucking prostitutes is the most cost effective sexual strategy.

It is not the best reproductive strategy.

Consider your priorities. They may shift over time.

staubgame · 2018-07-08T09:25:22+00:00

I been thinking about that too and I think this a legitamate point if you venture into the MGTOW area.

Game is called game because it's supposed to be fun and enjoyed. However, if you, for whatever reason, don't enjoy it....

For me, I am fairly new to all TRP and even though I still fail to beat my anxiety of talking to women in approaching, I made huge progress im simply talking (to strangers, in general, that is). So I am actually excited to extend this into "approach-difficulty", to use a general gaming terminology (not "game" per se).

I personally started my whole TRP journey with visiting a prostitue. I still like to visit her (rarely), but a goal of mine is to not (need) to do that anymore. Probably number one goal after the long term goals.

I skimmed a bit in "the sex god method" and he has a very good point in there:
Sex with emotions is far more intense, for both partners. Even if it's just a plate I think that you have some feeling for her, even though you keep it on a plate level. Multiple times with one partner probably also adds on top that you know each other, while a protitue is always just "porn-sex".

Regarding game, it's a lot like the paid app games on a smartphone. You can play or simply pay to win. Except in this case you can actually win by playing and paying ist just an option.
I wonder how far one can stretch this comparison.

Being new to TRP is still have a lot of things to fully understand so I might be wrong in some regards, but I'm sure someone will correct me of yell at me.

AnotherDisposableMan · 2018-07-08T14:02:15+00:00

That's a red pill hard to swallow. The thing that keeps me from swallowing it is, when I can actually make a blonde feel the tingles by just being myself and she gives me the "fuck me" eyes.Yeah, that's a lot better than paying some whore with cash. I'd rather treat myself and a bro to a nice dinner at an upscale restaurant after we tingle up and fuck some girls. But when I enter the 2-comma club, IDK, maybe I'll build a harem with cash cuz I'll have bigger fish to fry then. But as of now, I'm just in the 1-comma club. Also, fuck Asia. Whoredom is rampant over there much more than in the West.

heyuguyzbrekfazt · 2018-07-08T21:27:47+00:00

Why bother? Because only a pussy gives up and makes excuses. It doesn't take much time to learn the basics of dating and women, so stop pretending its some monumental task that requires a fucking Doctorates you fucktard.

It doesn't require a shit ton of money, or a lot of time to meet women and set up dates. If you're that lazy, do online dating and just get their numbers, do some basic texting, and go on a few dates. You're already going to want to get out and do some shit or get drunk on your free time, so just go do it with a date and see what happens. The point is it's going to help you socialize, which every human being needs no matter how autistic you think you are. It's also going to give you experience with women that aren't paid to laugh at your jokes.

prostaddict · 2018-07-09T04:35:53+00:00

Take it from someone who suffered the negative effects of this. For years I was doing nothing but seeing prostitutes because of your logic above. As a result, I went without a partner and went without a 'civilian lay' for longer than I would like to admit. Then I got sloppy. Stopped really working out, stopped trying to improve my social circle, and budgeted every month for prostitutes. You know what irked me most? When my friends got into relationships with beautiful, red pilled women. I got jealous.

The worst is making a connection with a prostitute and then realizing it will never be more than that.

If you can do it as a supplement to a life of constant self improvement while still gaming real women and progressing in that manner, then all the more power to you. I proved to myself that I just couldn't, and after almost a year (the first since I became sexually active of not seeing a prostitute), I've been able to plate girls on the same tier in beauty and performance as some of the prostitutes - for free.

Some people swear by soliciting prostitution - and as others mentioned, it is a viable strategy - just be aware of the dark side of it as written above

NewBoomAction · 2018-07-08T15:01:34+00:00

Mate, I'm actually EXTREMELY envious that you have access to such services. Pussy is a low value commodity and for most women it's all they have.

I'm very curious and I hope you don't mind sharing. What are the costs for sex? For other services?

abudun79 · 2018-07-08T15:40:16+00:00

Acta, non verba! Come back after you did that for 10 years and write an awesome FR about it. Then you'll know if it is the right thing for you or not.

I think it is most likely that, in a few months from now, you'll start to ask us "Why even pay for it?" and tell us how you discovered that you can spin plates with minimum effort and get sex for free.

TheTrenTrannyTrain · 2018-07-08T18:57:29+00:00

I do what you do, bang hookers when the need arises. However I do enjoy the chase so I do go out and meet girls.

Overall it all depends on what's important to YOU, do you enjoy the chase, or the sex afterward? If you only enjoy the sex, then banging hookers is the quickest step as long as you're actually improve yourself in other areas of your life, such as making more money or building your business or hitting the gym.

Palikan27 · 2018-07-08T22:11:49+00:00

If you are not capable (or trying) to have same resources without paying that much you are a loser. Practise to seducing someone is not only good way to get sex but also making contacts, selling product or being a leader in a group.

Title	Why even Bother?
Author	ThatKidinAfrica
Upvotes	22
Comments	51
Date	July 8, 2018 9:17 AM UTC (8 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/askTRP
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