Are RSD's and PUA's phony?

pua_max · 2020-08-31T23:23:08+00:00

Daygame is legit. I’ve had quite a few dates and lays from it. Whether specific people are legit is going to be up to you to decide on. Generally though, I find most of the coaches are pretty decent and converge towards saying the same things in different language. Personally, I recommend Todd v and James tusk.

drdavidbanner20 · 2020-08-31T23:21:30+00:00

Like any information, some of it helps, some of it not so much. All you can do is test it and see if it works for you.

With that being said, I've always thought the term "PUA" was cringey. I also think some of the shit they do (from what I've seen) is extraordinarily socially uncalibrated. Instead, I focused on confidence, outcome independence, being sexual (in an appropriate way), having a sense of humor, improving my social skills, etc. to attract more women into my life.

NCreature · 2020-09-01T17:46:55+00:00

I think what you're responding to is 2020 Owen Cook not 2002 Owen Cook. 2002 Owen Cook was a maniac who would mop the floor game wise with anyone on this sub. 2020 Owen Cook is probably too old and too much of a dad/business man to really be doing this anymore. Where most guys gave up the game a long time ago, RSD built a million dollar business with Owen as the figurehead, but the problem is the world in which RSD was built is not the same today. The issues they had with Julien Blanc didn't help either because it forced them to pivot to more of a self-help/hustle porn paradigm which is already an overcrowded field with less controversial players like Gary V. The rise (and fall) of the Manosphere contributed as well.

I know the RSD guys past and present. I wouldn't go as far as to call them charlatans. They actually do know their stuff, and pound for pound Tyler can run circles around just about everyone. The problem is their marketing, business model and the watering down of concepts makes them a company that benefits more than their clients. RSD events end up being more like Tony Robbins conventions or Grant Cardone or something where more is promised than can be delivered especially for guys who really should see a therapist and not be out terrorizing girls in nightclubs in Miami with the same stuff over and over again (seriously if you go to Vegas, its cringey how many spin-moves you see in one night).

I have no doubt that someone like Jeffy can pull basically at will. The problem is Jeffy is like 42 years old so there's a gap between him and the kind of guys who are in his programs who are mostly college aged or in their mid-twenties and just in a different place of life. Hell I've even seen Luke in his element in the Vegas club scene and he's no joke either (though he has a propensity to hang out with unsavory characters). Todd and Alex and Derek would absolutely own you pound for pound blow for blow when it comes to game. But like I said (and Todd V has a great video on the problems with RSD), the hustle of trying to run a big business doing something that operates best underground created a situation where RSD and others like them either failed or couldn't deliver on their promise. When you start having girls as coaches like RSD Sarah (I always was amazed at the number of girls who attend RSD events), and you have these events with thousands of guys, you just end up being a profiteer.

axe122 · 2020-09-01T02:18:46+00:00

Game is not magic but it will help you get more girls who you’d otherwise lose. They gotta view you as at least a 510 for you to even have a shot at gaming them.
Game will help get you the girls who your just making their cut but isn’t magic. If you read the book the game by Neil Strauss notice that they were renting lumps and going out like 7 nights a week while renting a mansion later. They created a status and social proof that made women who might view them as less than a 5 view them as a5 to 6 and then their game helped lock in the girls attraction and get them.

Game is like systematic flirting for guys who never learned during their developmental years. Aside from technique I’ve found all game is based on three basic principles. 1. Indifferently interested- your interested in her obviously since your talking to her but your not sure how much and definitely aren’t sold on her yet. 2. High value- you view yourself as a high value man with options and every word and action you do and say confirms this 3. Hold frame- your frame is the frame of a high value man who’s indifferently interested.

These 3 cycle through eachother over and over through the game techniques and why they work. Basic techniques False times constraint Negging Qualifying her or disqualifying her. Push pull Calibrating ioi with ioi and responding iod with iod. Keno escalation : There’s some others if you really look into it but that’s really all you need the hardest part is making the shit feel natural and real.

I thought it was bullshit myself for a long time. I had learned this stuff the hard way through years of trial and error. I later realized that the stuff I was doing that was working consistently were things that had been written out and labeled. I thought it was interesting that these things were working for other guys and that the pua stuff was mostly real.

I will say it’s not magic and the first thing they do is change the guys look so he gets his foot in the door with more women. If your cold approaching without choosing signals and have no social proof or status your relying solely on your confidence and looks.

Chances are your confidence is very low and won’t really raise until you get positive experience with the kind of women you want.

You’ll deal with a lot of rejection at first but when a girl does give you choosing signals you’ll be in shape game wise and have no problem landing her plus you will get some of the girls you approach over time. The more your confidence builds the more girls you’ll get cold approaching.

You coulda also invest every night to going out and practicing but I think most men want to be able to approach the girl they see and really want in their daily life and successfully pick her up. The stuff def works but you gotta learn to apply it in your interactions smoothly and this can take a while. It’s not a one week process.

I think the best thing you can do is change your behaviors to an high value guy with options, make yourself as physically attractive as possible and practice holding frame all day every day when your with people. Practice flirting with every girl you come across in your every day life. Maybe the cashier or girl you almost bump into at supermarket. Don’t say sorry or my bad and go on your way. I steD say something witty or challenging to her and go about your day. If they respond really well then take it further but this is to just get you used to holding frame always and being that witty fun guy. Maybe you act like your pissed she almost bumped shopping carts with you and start going into a mini rant then smile at her so she knows your playing with her. Maybe then you tell her you can’t believe she fell for that....... wow i can’t believe you fell for that. Basically have more fun interesting interactions than thank you or my bad..... Good luck

Jarin01 · 2020-08-31T23:51:37+00:00

Not crack, cocaine. Tyler loves that shit. There is some really quality stuff under a lot of that noise. I mostly stopped watching RSD and most guys like him because in 2020 game boils down to one thing. You really just have to actually become a high value man. I mean you can fake it for a little while with outrageous costumes and some good lines but that stuff will only get you so far.

What we commonly refer to as "Game" is most valuable when talking with a woman that is neutral towards you. Meaning she hasn't really decided if she is interested in you or not. Being well versed in Game and female nature can tip the scales in your favor.

But if she isn't attracted to you at all then there is little you can do to change that. Likewise if she is very attracted to you then it is simple to progress things as long as you are not a creep.

Title	Are RSD's and PUA's phony?
Author	bayfarm
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Date	August 31, 2020 10:37 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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