Can you actually "win someone over"? Literal seduction?

FilthyStylish · 2020-05-05T21:46:51+00:00

From my experience if a girl sees you as just another guy or is repelled by you the moment she sees you then forget about her. It’s probably a losing battle to try to get her to be interested in you.

Literally all the girls I’ve been with/currently seeing took interest in me the moment we said our first words.

There’s a girl who’s been texting me for 2 months straight and pestering me hoping to win me over and guess what? I lost interest in her long ago and I could not respond to her texts for a week or two and yet she still tries. She even tries to set up a call with me and I just tell her I’m busy without offering an alternative or getting back to her later. Fuck that shit I want to block her ass but I just feel guilty. Lmao honestly this girl is doing me a huge favor because she’s demonstrating to me how people behave when they are not interested. This just goes to show that if the interest is just not there, nothing you do will make the other person change their mind.

Evanje53 · 2020-05-06T00:06:43+00:00

yes but mostly no. a few things ive seen guys hung up on women in relationships. it that is the case even if there relationship is bad then move on. Essentially if you have tried with a women that is single as sees you more as a friend a few things are going on. She may not be physically attracted to you, she basically thinks she can do better, or you haven't created attaction.

Here is what has to happen for that to change. Time apart, you have to give her time time let her know you have changed she might miss you a bit too. change your percieved value, can be done in many ways, losing weight/getting in shape, changing your style, being ambitious with just about anything. these are often seen as the easiest ways to improve/change yourself.

I also recommend you see other women while you do this. 2 things will happen in general. You will reconnect with the women you originally liked with more confidence and you must create attraction. or you will meet someone else and be happy with that. Its a win win. unless you are willing do some version of this winning over a friend you like is highly unlikely.

smoothmax · 2020-05-06T02:25:54+00:00

"I get hung up on people I sort of know. "

If you get "hung up" on someone, that sounds like you don't have an inner source of happiness and self esteem. That's the definition of a crush: "I need him/her and I won't be happy unless they fall for me."

"It would probably be better for me if I tried pickups, who knows."

If you mean, learn how to have a better dating life by improving your overall attractiveness ... starting with your inner attitudes about yourself and about other people ... then yes you should try "pickups" lol

2dice1hand · 2020-05-07T04:37:58+00:00

plant a seed then water it

earsurgery9 · 2020-05-14T09:38:28+00:00

IN a word, 'no'

WIA20XX · 2020-05-06T00:52:27+00:00

But really, I want to know if you guys have any sort of success winning someones heart/ Even if they were not attracted to you right off the bat.

Yes. It's fairly typical. It's actually the norm. Many guys in regular relationships, had to persist with a chick.

Him - "I knew she was the one, when I saw her"

Her - "I hated him at first, but he kept coming around"

This is so common that they make Hollywood movies about it. Your friends and family have these stories. They aren't lying to you.

It's common to think that the girl is lying when she says "I hated him at first", but most of the time it's true. She's not lying to save face, to play a game. She didn't like him.

Can you convert using PUA tactics? All day.

Old School PUA was for the "No" girls, the "Red Lights", the indifferent. You didn't learn all this stuff to date girls you could have gotten just by being "confident" and cleaning the snot out of your nose.

There is literally no debate about this among people with experience. Guys that understand things like Early Frame Announcements, Compliance Hoops, Qualification, Fractionation, etc. Field Report after field report.

The real debate - "Is it worth the effort?". (sometimes) Just like shy/awkward girls - they can be pulled, but is it worth the effort? (no) Getting an Ex back? (no) Is it worth the effort?

The only people that debate possibility of seduction are newbies, haters, incels, black pill guys, and rookie players who haven't tried it, much less done it.

Keys to the VIP (Canadian PUA show) had all sorts of situations where the guy would fuck it up on purpose, and then turn it around. Dig around the interwebz long enough, and you'll find episodes.

With experience, there's a more subtle issue at play. If you have been working on yourself and your social skills - 1) you're more attractive than you have ever been, and 2) you're detecting body language cues and reading social situations - where the girl is attracted (and how fleeting attraction is), that a less experienced version of yourself will have missed. That ends up being the problem with conversion, the girl is usually giving you so much to work with, that you don't often get a chance.

Conversion is not just pick up - Conversion is in the sales, politics, leadership, religious arenas - conversion is the norm. Conversion happens with teaching, counseling, and therapy. You probably watch 2 dimensional images on a screen and get mentally invested in one of the people you're watching.

That's conversion. That's seduction.

You've been converted. Food you didn't like, you like. Music you couldn't stand, you snap your fingers too. People you didn't like, you've come around to.

And it goes in reverse. There are things that you hate now that you used to love.

But you're one-itis, the one you're not mentioning (because guys that ask this question always have some girl in their past) - you've probably fucked that up to high heaven.

Lemme say this last bit.

Guys that get into this thing to learn the skill set, usually because of a bad break up or being ignored by girls, if they double down, actually learn the stuff, improve all aspects of their life - they become different people.

The dude will often come across girls from their past, and the girls are giving him all sorts of crazy emotional response - but the dude is no longer interested.

Now if you don't want to learn the stuff, fine.

Forget everything I said and read Models Bro

Title	Can you actually "win someone over"? Literal seduction?
Author	ImPlayingTheSims
Upvotes	5
Comments	14
Date	May 5, 2020 8:56 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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