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[–]JacobMoogberg69 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You are overthinking this. If you look at women as some magical beings who can dispense validation of your sexual attractiveness, by the same token they can also invalidate you by rejection you. You are giving them too much power over you.
[–]puma085 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes over thinking is indeed my old nemesis. I really need to see the things more in a relaxed way.
[–]Chicagoj1563 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
In the beginning stages you are just learning how to open. Think of the different places you want to approach, each one is a little different.
Just practice starting conversations with anyone in those environments, and when you see an attractive women it’s similar. Maybe you go a little more direct with an attractive girl, but your just starting a conversation with a stranger. So get good at that. You don’t have to be hitting on anyone, your just learning how to open naturally without approach anxiety.
Once you can open without too much approach anxiety and generally get sets to hook, you now have the skill to open. Then you can practice other things, such as creating man to women vibe, eye contact, sexualizing the conversation, etc…
Look at opening as a social skill you are learning.
[–]puma085 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes that is my plan. Just practising the cold approach with no reason. If I have a reason I have no problems apporaching somebody. But just for the sake of talking without my real reason was not my style yet. That is the biggest flaw to overcome my passive nature.
It has to feel natural to approach somebody without looking bored or to overly shy. I am not going to worry to much about further steps like escalation yet. Opening up naturally is way more important for now.
It is also funny coinsidence that my planned America trip and my decision to improve my self fell into the same timeframe. I can start practising in my known environment here in Austria and then later test my hopefully improved skills in a foreign enviroment with a foreign language that is not my mother tongue. that would be the master class then.
Thanks for the great advice.
[–]PuroPincheGains 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
You should go through this whole book if you haven't already: Models by Mark Manson. It's pretty important for getting your inner game on point, and has some key takeaways for outer game as well.
[–]puma085 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Thanks for the advice. I did not know the book yet but it seems really interesting. I will check it out for sure.
[–]PuroPincheGains 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
It's the top book recommended here, you can see the author's AMA to the right on the sidebar --->
[–]puma085 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
that' s really cool. I pre ordered a hardcopy of the book on amazon already. I will go throught it as soon as I got it. Thanks again for the recommendations.
[–]MO_drps_knwldg 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Would also check out:
How to be a 3% Man by Corey Wayne
The Charisma Myth by Olivia Fox Cabane
The Book of Pook
But honestly, the biggest changes when you just go out there and get experience. Use Online dating just as a chance to get practice and try to hook up, with no other expectations. Social skills are like anything else, it requires constant practice
[–]puma085 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link
Thanks for the further book tips. You are totally right. Going out and just practise without any expectations is the right mindset. Easier than than done these days thanks to pandemic but they are still ways. And then whatever happens. Happens. I am fully awaret that constanct practise is needed. That was also the reason why I want to include my soon to happen US trip into that was orginally planned as a pure sight seeing tour into my game. Well at least one part of my journey will be included. The NYC segment because the city would offer much opurtunites to practise. The rural eras I want to visit will be pure sight seeing stuff. Seeing online dating as part of the practise is a good idea. Was not considering online stuff until recently, but it would not hurt downloading tinder and bumble. I am not sure though if there are many ladies in my era using that stuff considering that I am living in a rather rural part of my Bundesland. Bundesländer are similar to the states you have in the US only just way more smaller. But a try would not hurt.
[–]ice_man085 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
It has been a while since I am out of the game so I am not sure if tinder still offer the passport feature in their app but if they do give give it a try. It is not cheap though about 30 euro. But it helps you to enhance your reach. More woman in other cities could you your profile. You could check out bigger cities that way that are not in your normal vicinity. You can even change your country compleltely. That feature could be helpful for your America plans as well. You could try to get into contact with a few american woman to chat with them before you go in case the ladies are open to chat with a foreigner. Having a few contacts when being there could really help to step up your game during your stay in the US.
Tinder is fully functional without the payed plan btw but if you live in rural area as you say the plus future could enhance your reach significantly .
[–]puma085 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Around 30 euro is not cheap but worth try. Having a greater potential dating pool within Austria might be a good move as I really live in the middle of nowhere. Reaching out to the states would be a bit to extreme though.
In the chase of America I will just to the approach the old fashioned way when there in bars and clubs.
Thanks for the advice with Tinder. I am completely new to the Dating apps so I was unknown to me that tinder has more options.
[–]ice_man085 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
You are welcome. Just use your commen sense when you are on twitter though. Of course you can find creepy chicks also during offline dating but they might be more common in online platforms. That's just my personal opinion. You might have complete different experience. But my experience was not totally negative but interesting to say at least. But that was a few years ago things might have changed and maybe the situation is different in Austria altogether.
Besides that if i got your post right you are open to everything and are not looking for long term relationship necessarily. In that case chats on tinder and or dates are a good way to practise your skills.
[–]puma085 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Ahm ok would you mind to elaborate the creepy part a bit more? What was so creepy about the ladies you have met online? Sorry for nitpicking but the creepy part got my attention.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Fellow Austrian here. From which part of Austria are you by the way ? I am from Graz. The strategy practising the approach even when you are abroad is a good one. It should help to boast your confidence for sure. When I was in South Korea for 6 month I did something similar too. Not for pick up strategies just to get more used to talking to strangers. Being a lost tourist helped a lot . It was not easy though. Some people were afraid to talk to foreigners. In America it should be easier to talk to people in English because English is their mother tongue.
[–]the_bbutterfly 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
in which part of austria are u?
Carinthia
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