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[–]TheSunshineMan 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
What's your definition of best?
I think the metric is how many girls the guy averages over a long period of time.
If you agree with me, then he's not even in the Top 100.
[–]mellowveggie -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Doesnt julien averages a lot of girls?
[–]TheSunshineMan 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What's your definition of a lot of girls?
The bare minimum for the conversation is at least 100+ girls a year for a minimum of 5 years to even get into The Top 100.
[–]Zealousideal_Ask_714 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Who's your answer?
[–]TheSunshineMan 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't really follow any of the guys on YouTube as most of them aren't really that good.. at least the top guys everyone seems to talk about..
Either they're showing flash game like RSD - going for the wow factor - but aren't doing the most important things to get laid, to get more views, and 30 products related to game? Cmon.. they're purposely trying to keep you confused, keep buying more products..
Todd V - He either purposely tries to make game as confusing as possible to keep you watching, get more views, sell more products, or is just overly analytical and can't help himself from making things way too complicated for the average person. This confuses people, and that's why most people fail.
[–]MrDownhillRacer[🍰] 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Isn't Julien the guy who talked about going to China and pushing random women's faces into his crotch?
Yeah, no thanks. I wanna learn game, not weird sex tourism in a country 50 years behind in civil rights where women are too timid to assert themselves against literal harassment.
[–]Humblepie125 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
second that. He comes across as deliberately obnoxious. The serial seducer is someone who is calm and understated.
[–]MrDownhillRacer[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, I've always found the RSD guys a bit too sugar-addled and fratboyish for my tastes.
I don't have anything against the rest of them, since to my knowledge, Julien is the only one who's bragged about committing sexual assault. If their approach works for them, great, but I also find them kinda obnoxious.
[–]Zealousideal_Ask_714 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
Maybe. Thoughts on Todd V?
[–]TheSunshineMan 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Thoughts on Todd V?
He's not terrible.. but he's not great either.. I'd say he's very subpar for as long as he's been in game.
And his gf/wife is like 5/10 she's fat and ugly.
Watching Todd V will only keep you confused.. not as bad as RSD.. but he'll only hold you back.
[–]Zealousideal_Ask_714 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
I kinda agree. He's very theoretical. But that's not necessarily a bad thing, he's really good at breaking down concepts and seems to have a "complete" game that's consistent throughout his content. He's not as smooth and natural as Julien though.
Won't comment on his S.O lol, I don't think that matters in judging his game. It's a shallow argument.
[–]MrDownhillRacer[🍰] 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Pretty much everything Todd V. says is just the Mystery Method, but he re-labelled all of the concepts so that it sounds original to him.
Still, I guess I have to respect how he's still unashamed to market himself as in the game, instead of moving on to generic "lifestyle advice" and "motivation" like the RSD guys did because they were afraid of getting canceled for teaching heterosexual men who are attracted to women how to attract women (which is, you know, evil).
[–]TheSunshineMan -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Todds a very smart guy, but I think the problem is he overcomplicates everything, teaches too many paths to go, confuses people, and they don't really know what to do, so they try all sorts of things, and don't stay consistent, because one day Todd says to say this, next video it's something else, and guys never stay consistent, get confused, self doubt, and quit, burn out and fail.
For new guys to daygame..
Until you've at least done 300-500+ approaches..
You should follow one simple easy to follow process or framework.
Once you have experience, you can deviate off situational dependent.
But I will say Todd V misses some of the hugest keys to daygame.. and if he made a few changes, his game would be 2-3x more effective.
He probably knows what they are he's been around a long time, but he's definitely not teaching them for whatever reason.
[–]Zealousideal_Ask_714 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Would you point those huge daygame keys? Where did you learn it? I am always looking for more resources.
[+]TheSunshineMan -7 points-6 points-5 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
1.5M guys on this sub, sorry can't give out my best stuff for everyone to copy.
[–]Zealousideal_Ask_714 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
So you're just gonna criticize without providing any solutions. Like you have some secret keys to game. This is disappointing.
[–]TheSunshineMan -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I give out enough gold here on a daily basis as it is..
I've done 10,000+ cold approaches, you expect me to give out my best most effective secrets to 1.5M guys on Reddit 'just because'?
[–]Zealousideal_Ask_714 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't expect anything, but why is it a secret? 😂 Isn't the point of this sub to help eachother? Nothing you say here is going to affect your dating pool my guy.
But anyways have a good rest of the day. I guess the best way to figure out those secrets is to go out in the field.
[–]Hmmoklolthisisfine 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
This man really does give out gold. Not a lot of users I pay attention to on here. But u/thesunshineman is sharing valuable knowledge most comments I see
[–]TheSunshineMan 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Thanks man, now go take action ;)
[–]Hmmoklolthisisfine1 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Everyday brotha!
[–]loudpandas -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Who’s his girlfriend?
No idea, but it's common knowledge.. there's pics online if you look hard enough..
[–]5_7pickup 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I like Todd V more.
Pickupalpha pretty good too.
[–]TheSunshineMan 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I think he purposely overcomplicates everything.. which is why most guys who follow him for years, still struggle.. they stay confused.. and that's why most of his students don't really get anywhere and just give up.
[–]5_7pickup 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Hmm I never got that from his youtube vids. His vids are pretty clear and to the point to me. My game improved alot by watching his free content.
[–]TheSunshineMan 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I've seen a few dozen of his videos..
He's all over the place..
Basically showing too many ways to do things..
Giving guys way too much to think about, then the guys don't really know what exactly to do, because there's too many ways to go, they go out, try to many things, because there's no one clear path to follow, and why most guys don't find success.
Over analysis by paralysis.
[–]5_7pickup 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's odd. I don't get that at all. I view Todd V was the best coach out there.
But to those reading this, it doesn't matter who we debate is the better or worse coach. All the content is free. It cost you nothing. Check them all out and see which one fits you the most.
[–]garrettcw18 -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Todd V, easily
[–]MA_CA_NV_CA 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Social Sinapse aka Mateo based in Tokyo. And I don’t think it’s particularly close. He doesn’t have the follower count but the sheer numbers he puts up and how smooth he is in action is ridiculous. He only really goes after thin attractive 18-25 year olds and mostly gets SDLs.
Julien Blanc got banned by the government of japan. I don’t think you can get blown out worse than that. He’s a joke over there.
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