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[–]Daunt02 9 points10 points11 points 5 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Most of the time I believe that the moving on advice is good because the guy has already blown himself out and is just falling for a imaginary trap of, "if I just do this then I'll get her". Most of the time, no you won't. If there isn't chemistry and it doesn't click then there isn't anything to seduce. By definition seducing is a, "tempting or attracting thing". If you're neither tempting or attracting to her then the seduction "phase" is over.
Sure we could talk about the dark arts of manipulation and whatnot to get women attached to you artificially but that's simp/predator territory and I'm not a fan of that.
Chasing women is a fools game. Attracting women is the art that we're focusing on. A lot of times that means taking time to make yourself more attractive and moving on from a particular woman. That is why specific scenarios aren't allowed. It's feeding into simp mentality. Abundance mentality is what should be sought after.
A lot of guys need to hear that they need to move on. Oneitis is rampant. Why spend time chasing a woman when there's one right over there that'll dig you?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Oneitis is a very dangerous thing i get that, but, at least I think, people know there limits.
Also it can be a rewarding experience. Making yourself a better person even if you dont succeed and it actually teaches you about attraction rather than just playing numbers.
[–]Delicious_Ad_1853 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oneitis is a very dangerous thing i get that, but, at least I think, people know there limits
You're kidding, right? Every rookie in here has a oneitis story that went on wayyyy too long.
If you have some decent game, go ahead and put a little extra effort in when you think it's appropriate, but for the rookies... They need to get used to cutting bait much, much sooner.
[–]FaithInStrangers94 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I’ve never liked the abundance numbers game advice not because I don’t think it’s healthy to move on from someone you’re obsessing over or to realise that one rejection doesn’t equal universal rejection, but it taken to the extreme it seems to in some ways prevent deep reflection and self improvement - you just keep flinging shit at a wall until eventually it sticks - when you should also try to improve yourself so eventually your flinging paint not shit
[–]Daunt02 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yep and that can, and mostlikely happens, after you move on and focus on yourself rather than chasing a woman till the bitter end.
I agree with you that the numbers game isn't all that it's cracked up to be. I started really finding my stride when I slowed down cold approaching and just built up my social circle and influence within my city. That gave me way better results than chasing women.
I feel like we agree mostly but I feel that it's a good thing a lot of guys are told to move on. Less creeps pressuring women into sex in my opinion.
[–]Personal-Brain428 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
If that stuff worked, I promise you it would have never fell out of favour!! (e.g nobody talks about mysterymethod anymore other than to ridicule, and it's all mark manson stuff nowadays). I mean, You know how many sexually frustrated guys are out there? If that 'manipulation pua' stuff worked, everyone would be doing it. It only 'works' on girls who are already attracted to you, as has basically been proven in infields and the community in general
[–]Daunt02 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
I see dudes psychologically manipulate women into sex and other things all the time. I know of men who have multiple women writing them in jail. It doesn't take much to find a manipulative asshole out there and find some definition of "it working" using manipulation tactics on people.
Nothing works all the time.
[–]Personal-Brain428 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Find a Chad douche
of course a 'chad' will score on a Saturaday night. That's not 'manipulation'. It's being good looking lol
I'm saying you can't trick/manipulate a girl into being very attracted to you with you words or whatever if she wasn't already/you're not her type etc.
Oh yea then you're definitely right. I'm misinterpreting what I even said. Yea that shit doesn't work.
[–]krokdiI 6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Sometimes y’all need discouraging. As a woman the amount of men who can’t take a hint, and even take a straight up no is beyond infuriating and can border on terrifying. If someone makes it clear they’re not interested LEAVE THEM ALONE. You can’t seduce someone who isn’t at the very least a bit interested in you. You fundamentally misunderstand what seduction is.
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Agreed. Totally against predatory behaviour. Didnt want to come off as that at all.
[–]krokdiI 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
My dude that’s exactly what your post sounds like though. The fact you believe you can MAKE someone like you is concerning as fuck. You can’t.
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
You can to a certain extent 1. Maintain Good Hygiene 2. Dress well 3. Be a genuinely fun person 4. Be outgoing 5. Have Hobbies and interest 6. And just be an interesting person
Im not talking about playing predatory mind games. Not into the whole creepy shit. Just the basic fundamentals of attraction can change someones mind about you. A glowup can work as well.
[–]krokdiI 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
That isn’t seduction. That’s literally the BARE minimum if you want a partner. You should be doing these things regardless of whether or not you want to find a partner. As I said it seems you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what seduction ACTUALLY is.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It might be the bare minimun for you but most guys out there lack 3-4 if these things. I didnt always check off all the boxes when i started either.
[–]krokdiI 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Okay, but none of these things are “seduction” in any way shape or form. It is just, as said before, the bare minimum to stop someone from being actively repulsed/put off by you. It takes more than a shower and a hobby to make a guy appealing.
[–]ModeratorCaptain_w00t 6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
As another commenter said, moving on is the right thing to do when it didn’t worked.
Chasing someone in these situations usually means stalking/harassment or lame ridiculousness for yourself in the best case scenario.
Chasing MIGHT be appropriate when things are going slowly forward AND you genuinely like someone AND the other person didn’t explicitly rejected you OR the rejection was somewhat “soft” (ex: “I’m actually busy” or “I’m not ready to date again because...”, which should be considered for each case and situation anyway).
[–]Personal-Brain428 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
We say that because it's the truth
This isn't 2001 anymore where people are are gonna be like ''She thinks you're ugly? No worries. Just use this 'neg' and this DHV story and do the strawberry fields routine, and she'll wanna rip your clothes off''!! haha. Pure make believe marketing
You can't MAKE a girl sexually attracted to you. Can't can't negotiate attraction
But you're right in a way. The sub is called 'seduction'. Which is a bit silly. Even the mods here often reply to threads basically saying 'take your shot, show your intent and move on'. Or if someone asks how to get their hot neighbour, the mod reply is 'ask her out' or they are told that they can't help him get a particular girl (e.g conceding that ''seduction' just isn't actually a thing lol)
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Kinda what im getting at. Completely conceding immediately is barely seduction. And doesnt really help people.
[–]Personal-Brain428 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
you can't seduce a girl who doesn't want to be seduced by YOU.
[–]emmelh8s 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Chasing a woman who isn’t interested to you isn’t invigorating for the woman. It’s scary, and beyond creepy. If a woman wants you, she’ll let you know. I’m only 22 and I know this. I’ve had 2 long term girlfriends (one from 16-18, and one from 18 until now) and BOTH of them approached me. The idea you need to “chase” a woman to get her interested in you is hollywood bullshit. I literally haven’t even approached a girl since I was like 14 and I’ve never had a problem.
[–]dasanman69 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
We discourage working hard for a woman's attention when you can find one that will make it easy.
[–]Ashido_Komaki 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Life is RNG it's like the casino you might win some you might loose some.
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