So I notice that here on seddit, there is a kind of Mark Manson vibe whereby most advocate going direct and making your intentions clear (that you think she's hot) for the get-go.

I remember hearing that Mystery says this is completely wrong due to 'bitch shields' and you should be nonchalant or even 'neg' hot girls on the open

(For what it's worth, i'm referring to night game)

I'm in the UK and about 95% of my approaches and up with a bitch shield and a girl who does NOT want to talk to me. They can be rude. UK girls tend to stick with their own social circle on nights out. I also read on LOVESYSTEMS that their instructors who travel the world doing pickup believe that not only are they much less open too a cold approach than say, US girls, but most UK 6's think they are 10's and so you are often met with a bitch shield!

I'm wondering what your experiences are with this?

Do any of you guys open hot girls in a very indirect kind of way. maybe negging them? Or open in a very nonchalant way? (the opposite of what is typically advised on the open which is too ENGAGE/show strong intent and make a strong impression etc)

I've been trying to open either direct 'hi, you're cute' or sometimes making friendly comments about something I notice about them or whatever, but as I say, it's just non stop girls who seem to take pride in being a bitch.

Planning on experimenting with some stuff