Does anyone else just HATE game?

TheOldEskimo · 2017-03-29T10:27:09+00:00

I agree OP. I hate the game.

I just want to be myself and talk about things I'm interested in and be honest about my interest and insecurities. I wish I could just lay out verbally in the first two minutes that I'd very much like to bang her brains out.

I want to ask questions I really give a damn about.

I want awkward silence to be okay.

I want the woman to game ME for once for Christ's sake.

It's just a ton of effort and I feel like a sociopath and completely disingenuous.

Jacob_961 · 2017-03-29T11:45:55+00:00

27 y/o here. Similar position to you. Lost the V-card at 25. Good paying job. 5'7". I'm not out of shape, 22 BMI, just to put into perspective. Decently intelligent. No major self esteem issues. I just don't like fluff which is all game is, A GAME. The only thing stopping me from an arranged marriage is that I need to learn this crap. Values are great and all and being a well developed decent person is extremely valuable but women want to FEEL attracted to you, which is not a logical decision. It is an emotional gut level response, the same pull you feel when you see a beautiful girl. You don't decide to be attracted to a girl, you just are. Now this doesn't mean achievements mean crap, they matter a whole lot, but it only satisfies one system, and that is the logical brain. The emotional brain is a lot of the times the complete opposite to logic when it comes to seduction. If you give value, you're a push over. If you take value, you're a stud. It doesn't make sense, but emotions don't necessarily make sense. Violating logic doesn't serve you either. Treating a girl like shit works perfectly on low self esteem women but that's not the kind of girl you want to end up with and you cannot have a healthy relationship with. The only alternative is that to remain decent and force the frame that decency is more attractive that bullshit game, which in and of itself is a game, and if you have a strong enough frame, the girl will buy into it. You get to be decent and not be labeled boring and she will value you for it.

TheXXL · 2017-03-29T15:50:16+00:00

Girls are into me when I act confident and have presence, but am literally not on the radar to them if not.

Easy fix: stop acting.

I don't always feel confident! Especially with my messed up upbringing.

Fix number two: Stop excusing.

I'm fit, have a well paying job, and have a pretty decent face, but am 5'5", and I feel because of this, girls think I am no one unless I act confidently.

third fix: Stop giving a shit.

In college my friends thought I was a player because I would flirt with all these girls, but it lead no where, because the moment I was un-confident, I was all of a sudden nothing but a short man, leading me to hate women. After college, with this bitter attitude, it literally got me nothing but wasting money at bars and am now a 27 year old virgin, with my sex drive falling every year... Might just get an arranged marriage at this rate, may be my only option before I get too old to do even that.

Last fix: Work on your inner game. You use excuses, you say it's your height, you say its your upbringing and all this stupid shit. You care too much. What if i told you it's so much easier to be happy if you stop giving a shit about what others think? When you stop telling yourself you are not worth something because you didnt win the genetic lottery? Try it out. I know what i'm talking about.

savior100 · 2017-03-29T05:24:19+00:00

no, not really. Game is the equalizer that allows us average men to bang hotties.

Woujo · 2017-03-29T06:00:01+00:00

I understand how you feel. You feel like the moment you show weakness, the girl loses interest, and that's not fair.

But think of it this way: everybody feels weakness, which is why they are attracted to confident people, because, from the outside, they look like they don't have any weakness. Women don't lose attraction to you because you are weak, they lose attraction because THEY are weak. They need a pillar of strength to latch onto.

But the solution is not to pretend like you don't have any weakness - the solution is to OWN your weakness. Yeah, you're short. Yeah, sometimes you don't feel good. Yeah, sometimes you fuck up with girls, etc... But if you own it, and accept it, now you are strong again. If you accept that life sometimes will kick you in the teeth, you will confident and forge ahead.

Zetland · 2017-03-29T19:21:49+00:00

I honestly think you're overthinking the whole height thing. Girls don't necessarily want a tall guy, they just want a guy who's taller than they are. And plenty of women are shorter than 5'5".

Also, your height doesn't define your masculinity. I've known dweebs who are 6'8" as well as guys who manage to be very manly despite being short. If you're fit (as in 'going to the gym regularly' fit) and don't have a silly voice, you should be fine.

martianartisan · 2017-03-29T16:22:24+00:00

Ya I feel you. Thing is, it depends on the girl and what you're aiming for. I've been in a good amount of relationships and I didn't have to "game" any of them. In fact, I've only got to know about game now that I'm single again, after 6 years in relationships.

If you're aiming to bang hotties, game is a must and you have to deal with it. They have abundance of men putting them on a pedestal so you have to stand out in a way or another. You can be the best man in paper (good looking, well dressed, good income). If you don't have game you won't get 'em.

From my experience, if you want to bang averages or a regular relationship with a regular girl, you don't have to game at all.

dubai947 · 2017-03-29T20:27:43+00:00

Yeah i feel that way sometimes. Confidence is something that's not easy to maintain all the time. Sometimes you feel shitty, sometimes you feel fantastic. And sometimes the problem is how to make confidence a habit .The thing is some girls get turned off once the see a shift in your character (confident to introverted).

MonkeyMannnn · 2017-03-29T05:38:39+00:00

Stop feeling sorry for yourself. I've got literally everything going for me and I struggle in game at times, too. I lose confidence here and there, display needy behavior, and lose girls who I should have no problem getting with. It sucks sometimes, but fuck off with your victim mindset. Sack up, be a man, and make it happen. Women are not going to do the leg work for you so figure it out and find a way to make it work.

TryingPUA · 2017-03-29T06:15:34+00:00

Who. Gives. A. Fuck. Cry, you were born short go live in a cave and never talk to a girl. Heres the deal bud, whatever you cant fix you amplify. Im 5 feet 8 inches or 7 inches. I dont care. It doesnt determine my worth as a human being. Love yourself, sure it wouldve been great to be 6 feet and white, but will complaining solve it? Some of the best puas ik are way shorter than me. Go out there and take massive action. Join an rsd inner circle, but most importantly work on self love. Best wishes

Title	Does anyone else just HATE game?
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Date	March 29, 2017 5:08 AM UTC (9 years ago)
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