I hope this is not too specific a question.

However, Roissy, Roosh, and everyone else I read in pickup always say "coffee dates are useless. Ask her out for drinks." I know this is probably due to a weakness in framing on my part, but I often seem to end up with girls saying "Want to meet" and then she says "Sure, let's get coffee."

There are two problems that I'm having with asking girls on dates for drinks:

1) Some girls are below 21, which is the drinking limit where I live 2) It seems weird to reframe a coffee date into "No, let's not get coffee, let's get drinks."

As far as I can see, there is no solution to 1), and the solution to 2) is to venue bounce after, say, 40 minutes to bar. (This is what I'm going to try with my date today. Damn, should've worked on logistics.)

Anyway, in case I'm ever stuck on a coffee dates w/o chance of a venue bounce (gonna happen twice in the next few days), can you guys give me some kino escalation tips? Some that I found out from the fast seduction forums are:

  • Palm reading (I sincerely hope she hasn't encountered PUAs using this before. Meh, I live in the Midwest.)

  • (This is more original, but a bit too bold for my liking) Playfully take some whipped cream from her coffee and put it on her nose. Tell her to lick it off using her tongue. When she can't use your tongue.

Readers got any concrete examples of coffee date kino escalation like this?