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Haha not jaded... just travelling a lot at the moment, sadly not to Tokyo. I'll be back.
/r/seduction21/02/11 03:18 PM
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Don't overtext.
/r/seduction17/02/11 12:07 PM
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I agree more of that would be good, but adding a sub isn't going to help with that goal. I just don't see how AskSeddit is adding anything.
/r/seduction17/02/11 12:04 PM
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At least 25% of the posts on Seddit are from people who clearly haven't even read the prominently displayed FAQ's etc. Do you really think they are suddenly going to find the right sub? Commenting "/AskSeddit" on every newbie's post will not help the problem because of the rate at which newbies post. Your principles are OK, but in practice this will never work.
/r/seduction15/02/11 12:48 AM
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Stupid idea, not going to work. If there is a "problem" with r/seduction it's that there are too many newbies. Adding another sub that is unknown will not help the quality of r/seduction. People here can't even agree on the definition of HB8 or a neg, do you think we'll be able to keep people going to the right sub? ZERO percent chance. It's not like the volume of posts in r/seduction is too high to go through anyway. If you don't like answering people's stupid questions in r/seduction, you just…
/r/seduction15/02/11 12:46 AM
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Since nobody has given you the tough love you deserve, I will. WHAT. THE. HELL. ARE. YOU. THINKING. You're texting way too much, doing stupid small talk, texting a girl who is black-out puking drunk, and not getting to an ask-out. Extremely weak game that will get you nowhere. This is all bullshit behavior that will not help you with her. You need to stop the ridiculous smalltalky texts, stop trying to attract girls over text, and just use texting as a means to get them out with you. Read this p…
/r/seduction15/02/11 12:42 AM
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I'm now 100% text-only, and have had excellent results with it (average age of female 26-32). It obviously depends on your game, but I think text-only is more fail-safe and it doesn't have the problem you have with calling if she doesn't pick up - where both leaving a message, and not leaving a message, are IMO DLV behaviors. This post and this post cover my thoughts on the topic.
/r/seduction15/02/11 12:36 AM
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Make sure you start making out with her within a few minutes of sitting next to her on the couch. Any longer and it will get awkward. Then escalate as far as you can. I like to have her over, open a bottle of wine and stand/sit at the kitchen counter drinking it, then sit on the couch, "put on a movie" or music, and start making out as soon as it starts.
/r/seduction15/02/11 12:27 AM
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When you get stopped by women and they start talking to you, and you like them and build a little rapport (maybe 1-2 mins), I think the best means of a #-close is to introduce a false time constraint. E.g. "hey I gotta go and meet a friend, but I've enjoyed talking with you." <"me too"> "we should talk more some time" <"ok"> "here, give me your number" Just make sure you follow up the very next day to ask them out, since your attraction won't have been very strong after a couple minutes.
/r/seduction15/02/11 12:23 AM
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I train my ladies to not expect texts back from me during the day if it's small talk. I wait until late afternoon to respond to them, and even then not always. I always wait an absolute minimum of 1 hour to respond to out-of-the-blue text messages, and more like 15 minutes if we're having a "conversation". The best plan of action is to take her out and have sex with her. She'll probably still keep texting you, but at that point it's a lot harder for you to screw up attraction over text.
/r/seduction15/02/11 12:16 AM
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I would just wait until thursday afternoon, then text something like "definitely want to check out [bar] tomorrow. you should meet me there at [8]."
/r/seduction15/02/11 12:14 AM
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In the rare cases in which I lose state throughout the night, it's usually that something is weighing on me and pulling me out of the zone. One thing I do that often works is to start really getting into whatever music is playing, even closing my eyes a bit, and try to get that energy. One-manning it into larger sets also helps me get in the moment since I can't be thinking about external stuff while talking to 4+ people.
/r/seduction15/02/11 12:07 AM
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I never bring response time up even if it is egregiously long. You have very little to gain. The only exception is if you think you can do it in a way that will make her qualify herself to you, but usually that's only possible if you already knew each other pretty well.
/r/seduction15/02/11 12:03 AM
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I banged my neighbor who turned out to be a little on the weirdo side. It can get awkward real fast. I really don't recommend it, especially since in this case she has a boyfriend. You know there are millions of other women out there, right?
/r/seduction15/02/11 12:01 AM
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After she had said yes. You suggested a time and cuisine, then suggest a place that's not open at that time, and then back off the day because she said she can't hang late. If a girl says yes but says she can't hang late, that's not a no, it's still a yes. And even if the girl sends 2 texts in a row, I really don't suggest it for guys. All part of being a decisive no-nonsense guy.
/r/seduction14/02/11 11:56 PM
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Read the text game posts here. Don't ask questions, be more assertive, be more consistent, don't send 2 texts in a row.
/r/seduction11/02/11 11:04 PM
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All unsolicited gifts to a girl you haven't slept with yet are bad.
/r/seduction11/02/11 11:02 PM
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Make other plans, act like it's not a big deal, ask her out a little while after v-day. V-day may as well be called girls-be-crazy-day.
/r/seduction11/02/11 11:01 PM
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...or anyone.
/r/seduction11/02/11 10:59 PM
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I don't do pickup, I do life. The PUA principles make my life a lot more fun and interesting.
/r/seduction11/02/11 10:58 PM
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I use cologne pretty much every day, 1-2 sprays in the morning on my shirt/neck area. I'm constantly told by women "you smell good". If you don't overdo it, I think it's a no-brainer to wear it. I've never gotten any remote sense that it turns women off except when a guy walks in who just bathed himself in it. I try not to put it on within 1-2 hours of meeting women for that reason.
/r/seduction11/02/11 10:51 PM
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Are you saying you would have told the girl to put on her clothes and get out? Don't know, it would depend. I'd at least halt things to interrogate her about her boyfriend situation. Luckily for me it's not happened to me.
/r/seduction11/02/11 10:47 PM
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That's why I do text only. To me, calling and not leaving a vmail seems needy, but so does leaving a VM that basically says "please call me". Text is far superior for those reasons, IMO. To solve the "she won't know who called" issue, read my guide again, it's covered. You ALWAYS text or call her immediately after getting her number.
/r/seduction11/02/11 10:45 PM
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I find it annoying, and way too much work for too little results. I can learn more about a girl in 30 seconds of just looking at her at a bar before talking to her than I can by writing 5 emails back and forth. Also the girls I met online skewed heavily boring.
/r/seduction04/02/11 05:15 AM
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How to meet girls on MySpace? That's funny.
/r/seduction04/02/11 04:21 AM
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Mostly bars. Don't do online dating. The only day game I did was a lot of pool / park action this past summer. This post I wrote a few months ago has some info that you may find interesting.
/r/seduction04/02/11 04:15 AM
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Ridiculously desperate. If you really want an idea of how to make something happen on V-day, try talking to every cute single girl you're remotely interested in. Ask her what she's doing for V-day. If she says nothing, tell her you're having an anti-V-day party at blah bar. Get at least 3-4 cuties to come out with you, optionally invite 1-3 guy friends, and go crazy. Even if you aren't interested in the girls, you'll have enough social proof to make moves on anyone else you like.
/r/seduction04/02/11 04:11 AM
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Usually I just delete their numbers, but if I'm looking for dates, I'll just run normal text game on them and ask them out like I describe here. I get a lower response rate than when I fully remember them, but not by much.
/r/seduction04/02/11 04:09 AM
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"Oneitis" is not a bad thing if it's because the girl is awesome, and she's also into you and already sleeping with you. I've cut down to seeing one girl a few times recently because I just didn't care about the other girls nearly as much as the one girl. As for not becoming a supplicating doormat to the object of your affection, can't really give any tips other than keep up your game and don't suddenly start giving in to everything she wants.
/r/seduction04/02/11 04:02 AM
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34yo here. I have mostly dated 24-30yo women. Have gone as young as 21 but that's where I draw the line. I've had a few younger girls give me a "how old are you" shit test, but it's rare. (And you just answer "too old for you!") Honestly my advice is stick to 25+ -- IME the girls under 25 are immature, don't know what they want, and therefore play a lot more games and act more irrationally than the girls who are more experienced. Plus they're way worse in the sack. Unless you look/act really old…
/r/seduction04/02/11 04:00 AM
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Try checking out this post, it should help. Do NOT ever ask a girl out for a movie as an early date, that's well-covered on Seddit.
/r/seduction04/02/11 03:53 AM
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I'm not against relationships. The PUA stuff is about getting access to more relationships; from there it's up to you to decide what you do with them. I'd guess I've been in more LTR's than 95% of guys on here. My answer above was specifically talking about girls I am not looking for an LTR with. Which is most of the women I date since I have very high standards for a girlfriend. Occasionally I fall in love and then basically all bets are off and very little of what is in Seddit applies.
/r/seduction04/02/11 03:49 AM
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Yeah, no correlation with how it turned out. If a girl says that, it usually means she's cool. I've dated a couple girls who said that and ended up being my girlfriend, and a whole slew of others who ended up being anywhere from ONS's to longer term FWB's.
/r/seduction04/02/11 03:45 AM
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It's a matter of personal taste, but I usually don't jack with girls with boyfriends. I just don't want to spend my time with girls who think it's cool to mess around when they're in a committed relationship.
/r/seduction04/02/11 03:43 AM
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No correlation. If a girl presses really hard for "more" or gives me heavy "I need a boyfriend" vibe, it makes it much more likely I break up with her, otherwise it's dependent on how much we like each other.
/r/seduction03/02/11 05:10 AM
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Usually the girl is looking for more from me, not less/same, but when she does say something like this, I just say "cool, me neither" and immediately change the subject. I may also joke like "too bad because I've got something big to give you!" depending on the scenario.
/r/seduction03/02/11 04:58 AM
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I have noticed that when I wear bright red or yellow shirts I get a lot more women noticing me. So I wear them more often now.
/r/seduction03/02/11 04:55 AM
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Radio silence meaning you #-close her, then don't communicate with her at all for 1-2 days, then ask her out with a single text. Like I said, could be salvageable, but I kinda doubt it.
/r/seduction03/02/11 04:52 AM
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Please tell me the answers from the mPUA's aren't going to be done as Reddit-wide IAMA's?! There is no growth at this rate that can possibly improve the ration of vets/noobs.
/r/seduction03/02/11 04:44 AM
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Answering "yeah" to "like a date?" is a mistake IMO because it tips your hand too much. I usually say something like "what is this, the 1940s??" and make jokes about how old fashioned she is. Also asking her on a date at the end of your first date is a bit needy. Should have #-closed her, then asked her out a couple days later after radio silence. Basically I think you killed attraction by showing her that you were interested too quickly. It may be still salvageable, but you'll have to make your…
/r/seduction02/02/11 09:10 PM
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I'd say 50% of my f-closes are same night lays, no first date. With girls I haven't slept with, about 25% of my first dates end in f-closes, a little less than 25% of them are second date f-closes, and the remainder get cut unless they're really awesome and seem worth 1-2 further dates. The key is filtering out non-sexual women as soon as you meet them, and kino escalating very quickly while building comfort/trust (kino escalation helps you filter non-responsive women too). I've gotten pretty go…
/r/seduction02/02/11 08:00 PM
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this is some deep shit, I'm talking serious life quandaries You have to keep things light with girls you just met. That answer sucks because it makes it sound like you're a depressive philosopher. Cocky/funny is the way to go. "what shot are you buying me?" or "where are we meeting up for the afterparty?" etc.
/r/seduction02/02/11 07:50 PM
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My most common kiss move is to just get her on my couch listening to sexy music. Then I wordlessly go in for the kiss and more. Never failed me.
/r/seduction02/02/11 07:44 PM
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People who say it's a shit test don't understand shit tests. That said, it's a question that you really need to answer in a way that separates you from the pack. Don't give a boring answer, even if your job is boring. Some people advocate avoiding or joke-lying to avoid being boring, but by far the best way IMO is to have an interesting job or at least an interesting way to describe it -- it's all part of being interesting instead of acting interesting.
/r/seduction02/02/11 07:41 PM
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If she doesn't have a car, yeah you should probably take her if you're driving. I would say ""Lets go to X at X time tomorrow" and then when she says "cool" I'd say "alright I'll be by to pick you up at X".
/r/seduction02/02/11 07:38 PM
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Don't friend girls you're interested in.
/r/seduction02/02/11 07:36 PM
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The path of least resistance is to either be out of town, or pare down your roster to just 1 girl who will be offended if you don't do anything. But if you've properly set up the FB/FWB situation, it shouldn't be a big issue because there should be no date expectation under non-valentine circumstances.
/r/seduction02/02/11 07:34 PM
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There's lots of easy ways to handle the ONS question/challenge. But a girl who says "I'm 40 are you ready for kids? Do you want kids?" -- unless you sense that she's not serious and it's some weird shit test or cougar filter, then it's crazytown -- I'd run like hell.
/r/seduction02/02/11 07:29 PM
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It's totally a matter of personal taste. But the ethics I follow in life, which extend into my "playerdom", are: Treat others like you want them to treat you. Only associate with people who embody #1. In playerdom, this translates to a few behaviors in practice. I don't lie, I don't date girls with boyfriends, and I'm not intentionally hurtful. Girls still get way more attached to me than I am to them, but I don't lead them to believe our relationship is something more than it is. It's personal …
/r/seduction02/02/11 07:24 PM
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100% guilt mitigation. By making sure you are aware of the BF, it allows her to project the responsibility onto you. It's one of the reasons I try to avoid girls with BF's; it's a neurotic behavior to be committed to one guy but want to be with another and act on it.
/r/seduction02/02/11 07:18 PM
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Asking a girl out for the following day, right after meeting her, is way too needy. Saturday is maybe too far away, sure, but you could either reshuffle something before then, or just bite the bullet. She's still on the hook though. It's possible she was drunk/asleep when you sent the ask-out text and it didn't register. I'd wait until Friday, then text her and ask her out for Saturday. Don't even bring up the earlier ask-out.
/r/seduction02/02/11 07:11 PM
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No, I'm saying you say "come meet me at [blah] tomorrow at [8]" instead of "do you want to grab a drink tomorrow?" The reason - leaders don't ask. It's been reinforced by many FR's showing failure after asking where the girl wants to go, as well as girls saying they prefer the guy to lead the way.
/r/seduction02/02/11 07:07 PM
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If it was me, it would be an unequivocal next. A 38yo with a "3-date rule" and who thinks sex complicates things? That's two sex hangups too many for me. Heck I nexted a 35yo a few months ago because she got weird about taking her panties off after a great first date.
/r/seduction02/02/11 07:05 PM
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3 dates with a 38 yo without kino escalation = she's not interested. Or possibly is interested but dealing with serious baggage (very recent divorcees I've dated have acted like this). Also, don't do dinner / concert dates with girls you haven't slept with. Didn't expect my invite to make you uncomfortable. This is not a great response, as it's reactive and acknowledges that she's uncomfortable with going to your place. You should just ignore in the future. If it were me - NEXT.
/r/seduction02/02/11 05:12 PM
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Usually means she's working. But don't ask girls if they want to go somewhere, tell them to come with you to the place.
/r/seduction02/02/11 05:08 PM
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Negs are by far the most misunderstood and overused technique in the PUA playbook. Only use them on girls who believe they have a LOT more social value than you - typically 9/10's only. The type of response you should be getting if you used a neg correctly is an exaggerated look of horror / shock, while pushing or punching you and acting offended. But she is somewhat exaggerating, and doesn't leave, she instead stays and starts qualifying herself to you. I'm probably going to post about negs som…
/r/seduction02/02/11 05:06 PM
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I've spent a lot of time in hipster/scene type bars and had good success with those types of women. I'm not hipsterish at all. The only fashion advice I would give you is don't overdress. Any guy walking into one of these bars with even a nice sweater looks out of place in a bad way. I wear nice t-shirts and jeans, and am still one of the best dressed. Outside of that, one of the things I like about the scene in Austin at least is that the people tend to be really down-to-earth and non-judgmenta…
/r/seduction02/02/11 05:01 PM
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You're in the wrong scene. At least in Austin, the scene girls/hipsters are way more interesting and unusual than the mainstream conformists. They're less well traveled and less educated, sure, and poorer, but more interesting and varied. Maybe it's personal taste.
/r/seduction02/02/11 04:57 PM
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If you can't immediately escalate to kissing and beyond (i.e. this Friday), you're embedded in the friendzone. You see her every day and presumably text her nearly every day. My guess is, even if this girl thinks she could be attracted to you, you've already subconsciously destroyed any ability she had to be attracted to you. You've known her since you were 13, she probably feels more like a cousin to you. The good news is there are millions of other women out there.
/r/seduction02/02/11 04:44 PM
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It's grown by 50% in the past few months, and is now about 25% the size of r/sex. It's already too big, if you ask me.
/r/seduction02/02/11 04:36 PM
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You just need lots more practice. Luckily for you, even though you have AA, you can talk to women in social settings. That's a good start. I'd suggest just practicing talk to everyone to get over your AA. It will take a while but once you get over the general AA of talking to any stranger or entering new social scenarios, all your problems you listed will go away. It will probably take about a year to fully get over it if you can start practicing now.
/r/seduction02/02/11 04:30 PM
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Ha that's awesome, glad I helped! Next time don't screw it up :)
/r/seduction02/02/11 04:24 PM
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What specifically did they do that made you think they used this guide? Genuinely curious. And glad I helped!
/r/seduction31/01/11 05:09 AM
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facepalm Have you read the basic Seddit materials? You committed three cardinal sins. In order of least bad to worst: Don't do movie dates. Don't "text for a week prior", that's probably overtexting. You should send maybe 3 text messages back and forth total before a first date. Being overly available will kill attraction. Don't tell girls you like them. EVER EVER EVER EVER. Even if it somehow seems that it went well, there is nothing that will kill attraction faster. Period.
/r/seduction29/01/11 06:46 PM
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This thread had some good advice too. Don't be too reactive, saying "you've got to be kidding me" is probably not going to score you any points.
/r/seduction29/01/11 06:36 PM
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I think it's a very risky first date proposition, since if things go south you'll be stuck with an awkward 90 minute drive home together, but at this point you need to go for it. I went on a 3-hour trip to a concert with a girl after only three dates and it went great. Pro move: rent a hotel room near the concert and stay the night. With her.
/r/seduction29/01/11 06:34 PM
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I've got to say, based on personal experience, the "do you want to kiss me?" move is no good. I used it about 5 times last year before scrapping it. The first girl I used it on basically jumped on me, so I was like "holy shit, this move seemed weird but it works!" For the next 4, all of them still kissed me (I think 3/4 ended up being f-closes) but they all had weird reactions. One girl said "don't ask me!", and the other three basically reacted like it was the weirdest question they had ever be…
/r/seduction29/01/11 06:31 PM
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Quick question: you mentioned you are Indian. Are you in the US or India? "I am not that kind of girl" and I said "I never said you were". Very beta! Seddit, whats a good response here? I would just laugh, with my eyebrows raised, like I'm astounded someone would say that. But don't take her to the symphony, for a couple reasons. First, she told you to do it. You can take her at some point, but you have to make her earn it. Second, it's about as bad a date as the movies. You should ask her out t…
/r/seduction29/01/11 06:14 PM
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I had a blast Then it's not a fail. Your nights are good if you have a good time, it's not based on some quota of how many numbers you get :) As far as handling flakes, search the archives, there have been some excellent discussions about them with good advice.
/r/seduction29/01/11 06:08 PM
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I'd say WAY more. Newbies only need to read "talk to everyone" and "touch everyone you talk to" and then practice that for at least a couple hundred hours. Then after that, maybe read a few of the basic pickup skills (kino, closing, dating) and practice that for a few more hundred hours. Even if you include reading and posting FR's etc here as "study", it really still is more like 100:1 or 50:1 IMO. Study is just not that important for improving.
/r/seduction29/01/11 12:29 AM
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Text always, usually about a week before I'm back in their area.
/r/seduction28/01/11 11:35 PM
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Much to my chagrin she doesn't. I do not think that means what you think it means. I want to have a little fun via text. What is the best way of doing so without coming off as beta or should I just let it go and wait till I go back to Miami? You want to play it VERY cool and whatever you do, don't overtext. I've kept a couple girls in different cities on the hook for about 6 months without seeing them and they still text me about once a month asking when I'll see them again. My method is: text h…
/r/seduction28/01/11 07:57 PM
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Movies do not teach you how to pick up women. Period. In fact they may make you worse, if you believe in them as a learning tool. One hour talking to chicks at a bar will teach you more than watching 500 movies.
/r/seduction28/01/11 04:49 PM
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By being confident. Seriously, if you can become confident it will pervade everything you do. I go out all the time to dressy places/events wearing "too-casual" clothing because I hate dressing up; but nobody ever mentions it because I own it. One of the early eye-openers for confidence for me was about 10 years ago, I worked for a small company that was mostly 20-something brilliant people - smart engineers but also socially skilled. One day four of us went to dinner at a place we had never bee…
/r/seduction28/01/11 04:45 PM
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On your first dates, do you typically try to inject a bit of sexual/relationship talk to spice up the date, or do you try to keep the air clear with life experiences? Always inject sexual talk / innuendo when talking to girls. It's always a good thing. Don't ever talk about exes though. I don't agree with TofuTofu that you've definitely been friendzoned, but you're at risk. You did several things wrong. Make sure the next date is more fun, you actually do kino, and see what she's like. Her respo…
/r/seduction28/01/11 04:39 PM
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I've watched a bunch of his youtube videos. It may be his accent, but to me he seems too smug and not that intelligent. But I'm kind of biased against PUA industry guys; I'd never pay a cent for any of their materials or seminars. Sinn is the only PUA I really like.
/r/seduction28/01/11 04:30 PM
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I found this pretty funny, but to all the guys who think you can learn much from watching commercials / TV shows / movies: you'll learn more from 30 minutes sarging than you will from hours of sitting at home watching TV.
/r/seduction28/01/11 04:23 PM
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Usually with irritating / immature coworkers, I just ignore them and cut them out of all the cool social events I organize with coworkers. Plus if you have won over most of your other coworkers, it should make you pretty immune to ridicule by someone that others don't like very much.
/r/seduction28/01/11 04:19 PM
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He turned into Jack Sparrow.
/r/seduction28/01/11 04:13 PM
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Nice work, welcome to Seddit. This post I wrote on how to go from number to first date may help you with next steps.
/r/seduction28/01/11 04:11 PM
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Do a google image search for "neil strauss before and after".
/r/seduction28/01/11 04:09 PM
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Fellas, numbers means nothing. Girls today give out their number like candy on Halloween.... you need to talk to 100 girls and get 20 numbers, play these little text games, and maybe get 3 dates out of it. Numbers can mean nothing if you think that's all you need to get a date. But if you build proper attraction, the number is basically guaranteed to give you a date. I end up meeting up with at least 80% of the women I #-close, and most of the remainder are women that I wasn't interested enough …
/r/seduction28/01/11 04:01 PM
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Under these circumstances, I'd say you're fine. If she's already been inside your place, you probably don't even need to go on a date, just tell her you got this awesome bottle of wine and need someone to drink it with.
/r/seduction28/01/11 03:54 PM
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Yeah this is why texting sucks. She was just messing with you, which is a sign of a cool chick IMO. You took it the wrong way because you were already in a bad place. Your last three texts are terrible, obviously. HabitualLiar's suggested response is perfect. You never want to come across as skittish or someone who gets offended easily, unfortunately your text accomplished both. If you want to see her again, make sure you tell her about the awesome thing you did instead of seeing her, without ma…
/r/seduction28/01/11 03:52 PM
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If women are constantly telling you you're handsome, you've got a nice natural advantage. Just read and apply the basics of the PUA techniques and see where it takes you.
/r/seduction28/01/11 03:39 PM
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But we texted back and forth since Saturday and I was doing very well (she sent me pictures of her, got good responses back, etc. That's overtexting. Don't overtext. Not sure that killed it for you here, because she agreed to a date after that, but I've found that keeping VERY minimal communications between when you get her number and when you go out is important. But girls flake for many reasons. Don't text or call her again for at least 2 days, if she wants to see you and feels bad she'll get …
/r/seduction28/01/11 12:44 AM
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This list is pretty comprehensive.
/r/seduction27/01/11 10:41 PM
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I was blessed with good genes and height. I used to be a mess though. Hitting the gym in college to add about 20 lbs of muscle helped a lot, and then changing up my look also helped. I'm probably a 7-8 now. But that did nothing for me when I didn't know how to do pickup. I had terrible AA, and was really bad at conversations in general. The only girls I ever dated before that were girls I met through class, parties, or work. That said, you do NOT need to be good looking to be good with women. Pe…
/r/seduction27/01/11 10:27 PM
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Dude that's awesome! I love hearing success stories, especially from new guys. Even if the date doesn't go 100% great you've made great progress, keep it up.
/r/seduction27/01/11 10:15 PM
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though with practice you'll learn to recognize the signs of whether she wants to see you again 100% this. Unless you're a sheer numbers guy who stops girls he just meets and asks for their number immediately, you should be getting denied for numbers a tiny fraction of the time.
/r/seduction27/01/11 09:55 PM
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I don't recommend as a default making plans with a girl before getting her number. In some situations it totally fits (e.g. brought up something cool you both want to do), but in most cases it will make you seem less available/needy if you just #-close and then ask her out a day or two later. That said, if you're frequently getting "no" when you ask for a girl's number you're definitely doing it wrong.
/r/seduction27/01/11 09:54 PM
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It's really easy to avoid coffee dates. I haven't had a coffee date for years. Your first problem may be saying "want to meet?" Try saying "come meet me for a drink tomorrow" instead. If the girl is not 21 yet, I'd suggest somewhere other than a coffee shop. Find some cool local stuff to do, like an art gallery or something. There are also some coffee shops around my city that are more bar-like, serve beer etc, and have good couch-like seating that is conducive to kino. All that said, the best t…
/r/seduction27/01/11 09:48 PM
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I'm pretty sure nobody on Seddit is going to say that 29-21 is wrong. When I was 22 I dated a 29yo and it was awesome. I'm in my thirties and will date anybody down to 21, but I strongly prefer 25+. So go for it. One thing I find with most women in the early 20's is they tend to be more immature and don't know what they want, so they play more games, do more stupid stuff, more shit tests, and aren't as likely to be down with a FWB relationship. So just make sure you are interested in this girl a…
/r/seduction27/01/11 09:44 PM
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The best advice in all those threads is that you have to find one that smells good on you. All colognes smell differently on all guys. I once wore one of my buddy's colognes and his GF kept smelling me all night and telling me how differently it smelled on me. It actually got a little awkward :)
/r/seduction27/01/11 08:46 PM
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male fashion advice.
/r/seduction27/01/11 07:06 PM
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You'll never know until you TALK to her. She gave you a huge opening and you whiffed, next time just start talking. When she pays you back, tease her that she owes you interest, you probably could even use that as a means to get her number.
/r/seduction27/01/11 05:36 PM
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When I meet friends at a bar, I often arrive 30-60 minutes early, hang out at the bar, and talk to the bartenders and other customers to warm up. Also helps get the bartenders on my side which helps with social proof later on.
/r/seduction27/01/11 05:31 PM
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Read all the sidebar material ---> and search the archives, this question has been asked many times.
/r/seduction27/01/11 05:24 PM
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I firmly believe that any first date, even super casual coffee whatever, should be scheduled a day in advance. Some women are weird about same-day plans with guys they don't know, and it makes you seem less available/needy if you aren't calling saying "hey come meet me for coffee now". You may want to read my post about scheduling first dates, if you haven't seen it. Don't ask her on a group date, man up and tell her to come do something fun with you. I don't have text for my phone so no texting…
/r/seduction27/01/11 05:22 PM
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This is the type of response I prefer for these ridiculous questions / shit tests - respond and amplify beyond the point of absurdity. "Yeah, that and the crack" would be a similar response.
/r/seduction27/01/11 05:18 PM
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Unless you got her number under false pretenses, just ask her out over text message in the standard way. (My recommendation for how to do this is here.) That said, you should know there is risk to banging your neighbors. I did it a little while ago and she got weird (parking in front of my place, making awkward conversation when I am hanging out with female guests, etc). If your place is the type of place where all the neighbors know each other that could make it worse too.
/r/seduction27/01/11 05:06 PM
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Yikes, that's a bit of an annoying ordeal. I'm sure some of the guys here will appreciate seeing the mortal side of TofuTofu :) Obviously you blew past a lot of early warning signs. The only thing you maybe did wrong was the initial reverse psychology line, sounds like she bought it too seriously? I have been trying to get better at early warning signs, although my problem area is better early-on filtering out of women I'm going to find annoying / too high-maintenance. But probably like what hap…
/r/seduction27/01/11 12:43 AM
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I do, it's a controversial topic. There was a conversation a while back about emoticons and it seemed pretty divided on "smileys/exclamations are good! :)" vs "they're for girls." I like exclamations because they convey energy and I'm a high enthusiasm guy. It's not hurt me so far. In the early stages, I'd say at least 50% of my texts contain exclamations and/or smileys. I do really close mirroring of emoticons though - if the girl is not using "!" and/or ":)" much, I'll ramp my own usage of the…
/r/seduction27/01/11 12:35 AM
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I endorse that. Really in a relationship, you shouldn't need anything, especially if it's a casual / FWB type of thing.
/r/seduction27/01/11 12:31 AM
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You can call it that, but after reading the 100th post on r/sex that describes what the couple otherwise both believe is an awesome relationship except that one person wants sex a lot more than the other, and after they talk about it they both agree that that's the issue, you'll probably see it as more than a theory.
/r/seduction26/01/11 10:29 PM
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Because they had low libidos. They were really into me too, they just didn't want sex as often. It's pretty easy to tell the difference, I've gotten pretty good at sniffing out libidos within the first several dates. In my early days I definitely turned off a few girls because I was over-available/needy, but that was less to do with sex and more to do with everything else about the relationship.
/r/seduction26/01/11 10:24 PM
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I don't know about this advice. By far the most universal reason women turn down sex with a guy they're into is that they have a lower libido. Just read the many posts in r/sex or r/relationshipadvice about this topic, that's what it usually boils down to. My best relationships have been with women who have closely matched libidos to mine, which basically means if we're alone in the same room and don't need to go anywhere for a while, we're going to do it. My worst relationships were with girls …
/r/seduction26/01/11 09:58 PM
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Read all the sidebar material ---> And the hundreds of posts here that closely resemble yours.
/r/seduction26/01/11 09:42 PM
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we basically text and chat online everyday still Don't do this! It makes you seem way too available and needy. Stressing that "she's forgotten" is not going to help with your conveying neediness. As for the date, I generally recommend setting up dates only one day in advance for this very reason. It keeps the iron hot, and you don't have to worry about overtexting etc. But sometimes it's unavoidable. TofuTofu's advice is perfect, "See you tomorrow!" or the like.
/r/seduction26/01/11 08:44 PM
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So many. Here are a few. All from girls that I had sex with. "Hey give me a cigarette!" "No, but that guy over there will." (I use this one all the time, for drinks / holding purses / etc) "I'm not going back to your place, bad things will happen." "What kind of bad things?" "blah sex blah" "Keep talking, so far it sounds like good things." "yeah but... OK I'll come over." "Do you take all your dates here?" "Only the ones who ask annoying questions!" "You were just tricking me to get me into you…
/r/seduction26/01/11 08:42 PM
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This is not a good response, it's reactive and negative. You need to convey "don't care / have plenty to do anyway" and "killing me" conveys way too much dependence on this one girl. If the girl cancels well in advance (previous days, or at least a few hours prior) and tries to reschedule for a specific day, I'll always reject her offer for that day and suggest something 1-2 days later than that. If she doesn't offer to reschedule, I just say "NP, I'll text you on [date day + 2-3 days]" and then…
/r/seduction26/01/11 08:42 PM
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Well, never happened to me but the second girl I had sex with had a habit of petting my dick and saying "sooo cute" right after sex, which I really hated and it made me feel like I was tiny. But basically dick size, especially if you're around or above 5-6 inches and average girth, is not an issue for most women. Read some of the hundreds of posts on r/sex about it. The vast majority of girls just don't give a shit, especially if you know what you're doing in bed. It's an inner game issue, obvio…
/r/seduction26/01/11 08:39 PM
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Too reactive, philosarapter.
/r/seduction26/01/11 08:38 PM
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Love the response, but I have a problem in that I can't refuse any offer to see or touch a boob, even if the chick is heinous. But if I'm gaming, I'll take the offer, touch it, and act completely uninterested, saying stuff like "nobody has ever told you they thought these were fake??" etc.
/r/seduction26/01/11 08:16 PM
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I don't date girls who can't spell "losing", but hell yeah in this case you should go for it. Don't tell him you like him though. Just ask him out to drinks, both get a little tipsy, kino the hell out of him, and take him home. Future protip: if you're interested in a guy, don't use him as your venting board for relationships and breakups. Only the losers will lap that stuff up.
/r/seduction26/01/11 08:15 PM
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I've switched to taking a pretty hard line on the exclusivity/GF talk. I tell her: she's not my girlfriend; I'm not looking for a girlfriend right now; I don't want to see her more than (depending on girl, 2-3) times a week; I was seeing other people when I met her, and will be continuing to do so; she can do whatever the hell she wants in her time apart from me, including banging other guys; we don't "own" each others' time or what we do with it when we're apart. It's an annoying, long discussi…
/r/seduction26/01/11 08:10 PM
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You're in good shape. You did good work pointing out your "mistakes" here, but obviously they didn't kill you with this particular girl. Also, your response to "what do YOU think" was pretty close to perfect given the situation, not a mistake at all. You should definitely strike while the iron is hot, do NOT wait for her to contact you. I would wait 2-3 days past the night you wrote about, then text her around mid-afternoon with the standard "hey enjoying [this day/work/blah]? come have drinks w…
/r/seduction26/01/11 08:00 PM
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Some girls just say stuff like that, don't read too much into it (one of the reasons that texting sucks). Try to get her out as soon as possible. Generally I don't text at all with a girl after a date until I'm ready to ask her out for the next one (usually 2-3 days). I'd suggest your next text should just be the standard "hey enjoying this [nice/shitty/crazy] day? come meet me at [bar] tomorrow at [8]!"
/r/seduction26/01/11 07:50 PM
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Come Tuesday, she doesn't answer any calls/texts (I tried to keep them to a minimum, only called her twice and would leave texts saying call me back) Sounds like way too much; you should send an absolute max of one unanswered text or call per day. Just make sure after you get off stage (and whenever you can during your set) that you isolate her and escalate as much as possible.
/r/seduction25/01/11 11:53 PM
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The "hang out the next morning" move is especially bad. Try being less available, but you'll probably want to gradually ramp it down since you were so available over a three day period. Good luck!
/r/seduction25/01/11 11:20 PM
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Have others had success finding women at pubs or bars where the atmosphere is more casual instead of the cliched club with thumping techno and Jersey Shore clones? My game is mostly conversational, and those type of laid back bars are pretty much the only places I like hanging out and meeting women. I've had my best results at the semi-hipsterish bars with lots of common outdoor picnic table type seating. If you don't know your area well, I'd recommend hitting yelp and reading the reviews to fin…
/r/seduction25/01/11 11:11 PM
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Not sure it's a shit test, more likely you've killed the attraction by texting her for a week, or didn't set up enough attraction to begin with. May still be salvageable though, you should reply with something cocky/funny/ridiculous, like what silencegold suggested. If she brings up the "friend" thing on the date, just laugh at her like she's being ridiculous, which she is. Tease her about being from the 1800's and ask her if her father needs to accompany you when you meet suitors.
/r/seduction25/01/11 11:02 PM
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Nice FR, welcome! Couple comments: The "what's your name again" was probably a semi-shit test. Obviously you only talked to her for a few mins at closing and probably couldn't have done more than that, but you won't get that if you talked to the girl for longer. Your text interaction was decent but still longer than necessary. I would have thrown out the ask-out as part of the "Lucky you" text. And you should be able to fit the whole plan into one text. "Wed we're going on the blah campus advent…
/r/seduction25/01/11 10:57 PM
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It sounds like she's already on the hook. You should just be escalating kino like crazy, and assuming she's responding, you're probably good to go.
/r/seduction25/01/11 10:47 PM
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Your main mistake was hanging out with her three days in a row without escalating. That's a really bad move. Actually even just seeing a girl three days in a row, early on in a relationship, is enough to subconsciously lose some attraction. You should be seeing her a max of once every 2-3 days, and until you have sex with her, every meet should have more physical escalation.
/r/seduction25/01/11 10:44 PM
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Stop trying to build attraction over text. Seriously. All it does is make you seem like an over-available needy person and kill the girl's attraction.
/r/seduction25/01/11 10:40 PM
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I don't have much beach pickup experience, but I do have a lot of pool and lake experience. Pick a spot that's crowded, or going to be crowded, to set up your stuff. Immediately introduce yourself to everyone around. As soon as anyone new comes to set up near you, introduce yourself to them. Strike up conversations with everyone. When you're in the water, talk to everyone around you. If it's a place where other people float on those big mats or inner tubes, get one of those so you can meet peopl…
/r/seduction25/01/11 10:22 PM
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why would you downgrade a girl because you failed her shit test? I do tend to dislike women who throw endless shit tests at me, but in this case, the downgrade would be because of seeing her twice with no sex. the situation, what i did wrong, what i could have done, keeps intruding into my thoughts. That's tough, you just need to forget about it and face forward. Try to make some good progress with either her or someone else.
/r/seduction24/01/11 11:31 PM
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i honestly didn't view her as that - we were just on a "date" for christs sake, hanging out for 2-3 hours before i went to her place. looking back she didn't need to ask that question at all. Yeah it was probably more of a shit test, and based on your post here I think you failed it so she's retracted a bit. I think your plan to have radio silence until Wednesday is good, although at this stage for me she would have downgraded herself to not be worthy of a Friday night date. But I get the logist…
/r/seduction23/01/11 07:16 PM
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Depends on the relationship between the girls. A lot of times you see comments like this when a girl who thinks she is hot is trying to set up her friend who she thinks is not hot. She's trying to be a good wing but it's a stupid thing to say. Could also be semi-jealousy or at least attention whoring. I would have responded with something jokey like "wait till she finds out I'm a tranny" or "perfect? No way! I'm way too [blah] for her!"
/r/seduction23/01/11 06:55 PM
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I personally don't play those games, I don't think you have much to gain and you risk getting into crazy jealous girl territory. I'll let my girls know that I'm not exclusive and seeing other people, but never specifics. If I have a date set up I'll just say "I'm meeting a friend" or "I've got plans". If I bump into a girl I'm seeing while I'm out with another girl, I'll just introduce them like I would any other friends. Not a big deal if you are cool about it.
/r/seduction23/01/11 06:51 PM
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Yet another reason to not friend girls you're interested in.
/r/seduction23/01/11 06:45 PM
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You just need a LOT more practice. When you're with a good conversationalist, observe them and how they keep the discussion moving along. I went from being hopeless at talking to strangers to now being pretty good at it, but it took me basically two years straight of applying the "talk to everyone" mantra.
/r/seduction23/01/11 06:42 PM
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I think you probably are being too available and supplicating. The booty call conversation was not good, because it started with you basically acknowledging that you had viewed her as more of a booty call, then you agree to her terms for the relationship, and then the night ends with no sex. The "why not" text was also horrible, and telling her to come out with her friend makes it seem almost like you're begging her. Keep going, this is probably all salvageable, although it should be worrying th…
/r/seduction23/01/11 06:13 PM
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Be very careful with the texting. I'd probably send her a max of 2 text messages, about a week apart, with some little funny story or similar. Then just make sure you set up a date with her ASAP after you move.
/r/seduction23/01/11 06:01 PM
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Based on advice here from some of the vets, I changed my approach to never go for the kiss the night I meet a girl until she comes back to my place. The general consensus is that it builds sexual tension, and makes it more likely for her to come back, less chance of LMR, etc. I've found that to be the case. Plus some women are hesitant to make out in public, especially if there are people they know around.
/r/seduction23/01/11 05:52 PM
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You're disgusted because a single dad is still interested in dating? And you think his only worry is to get laid? Get off your imaginary high horse dude. Did you even read his FR? Because in the first line he says he's in his late 20's and has a daughter. And this was his first time out in over a year.
/r/seduction23/01/11 05:39 PM
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Yeah from your comment examples, your text game needs a LOT of work. The good news is that is a very easy problem to fix. Check out my advice on not overtexting and how to get from number to first date and Mouthpiece's guide to text game and follow the advice in them to the letter. If you still don't get results, the problem is that you're not building enough attraction when you get numbers.
/r/seduction23/01/11 12:56 AM
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Seddit 101: stop taking girls to dinner and a movie! Seriously.
/r/seduction23/01/11 12:51 AM
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The "7 hour rule" is complete BS.
/r/seduction23/01/11 12:49 AM
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It's basically always a shit test, consciously or subconsciously, because if you supplicate to women you've just met, they automatically perceive you as lower value. intjpua knows what the heck he's talking about.
/r/seduction23/01/11 12:48 AM
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"That's so cute, you think I'm hitting on you!"
/r/seduction23/01/11 12:46 AM
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I have gotten in the habit of training my women not to ask me to do these things. I hate holding purses and jackets. So I just say no. It establishes a healthy precedent, at least for me.
/r/seduction23/01/11 12:45 AM
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This is awesome stuff man. I'm going to try it, but I think it may be too incongruent with the rest of my approach.
/r/seduction23/01/11 12:40 AM
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Search r/sex, there are TONS of posts about this very topic over there from people who really know what they're talking about. It basically comes down to: discuss a LOT before you do it; make sure everyone is cool and isn't going to get jealous (happens very frequently); pick a quarterback to direct the action; don't make anyone feel uncomfortable if they want to pull the plug at any time. It's also commonly recommended that the third person not be a close friend since that seems to be the most …
/r/seduction23/01/11 12:36 AM
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I feel as though theres been a shift in this community where everyone just wants to read about the big dogs that f-close, and you want to be there. Actually it's gone in the opposite direction; there are way more posts from AFC's asking "how do I get Sarah to like me??" than there used to be, posts with questionable newbie tips like "read a book in a bar" get upvoted to high heaven, and some recent excellent FR's from the vets like TofuTofu have been getting downvoted. But I agree with you, some…
/r/seduction23/01/11 12:33 AM
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100% agree. The only guys I've ever told about it are guys who legitimately ask me for help with women.
/r/seduction23/01/11 12:30 AM
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Be careful with the long term game, it's almost always a guaranteed trip to friendville. Most guys WAY overestimate how long it takes to get a girl interested in you. The best method is to go from meeting her to sleeping with her in under 1-2 weeks at most. I too still sometimes get stage fright with new girls, and Viagra totally fixes that. It's also great for super-marathon sessions. There are no good OTC boner pills; the ones that work have bad side effects and/or are relatively dangerous. Se…
/r/seduction23/01/11 12:27 AM
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Don't do it. Gift cards are better than something like a restaurant.com coupon, but not by much. If you really want to do it, you could walk to the bathroom after the meal and just give it to the waiter.
/r/seduction23/01/11 12:19 AM
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Dude, just ask her out for drinks. She's probably not playing games; snowboarding is a big outing esp if you don't know her that well.
/r/seduction23/01/11 12:17 AM
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The consensus on the best line in the opposite scenario (when a younger girl asks how old you are) is "too old for you!" - I would try "too young for you!" with a cheeky grin and see how it works. It should be a good line. If you live in the US, you will find a natural bias from 21+ year-olds not wanting to date someone under 21 because of the drinking age, so you won't be able to totally get around it. There was a good line some other young guy used and posted here a while back, something like …
/r/seduction23/01/11 12:11 AM
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I don't know whether I should give her some time (probably AFC, right?) or just keep on truckin'. VERY AFC. You snooze, you lose. Especially if she's a legit 9.
/r/seduction23/01/11 12:06 AM
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After reading a bunch of advice here from guys who know what they're talking about, I've taken to deliberately not kissing girls while we're on a date (esp first date). It escalates the sexual tension, which IME makes her more likely to come back to your place. For this girl, I'd definitely tease the shit out of her, and do not let her kiss you while you're out on your next date until she comes back to your place. Tell her you're going back to your place "to look at [blah, art or music or whatev…
/r/seduction23/01/11 12:04 AM
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She has a boyfriend, and you work with her. Bad idea. Plus you probably already friend-zoned yourself by venting about your ex. Don't talk about exes with girls you're interested in.
/r/seduction22/01/11 11:57 PM
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Content is MUCH less important than style when you're building attraction with a girl. As long as the conversation is light, entertaining, preferably has some content that shows you as a high-value guy, and you're doing kino, the content is not critical.
/r/seduction22/01/11 11:51 PM
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Having a few standard questions/topics on standby can be handy (e.g. "how do you all know each other?", movies you've seen recently, recent funny story, etc.) Basically practice is what it takes though. Also make sure you're a good listener, and key off what other people say. Most statements that people make have 2-4 key words in them that you can use to segue into talking about something else. You'll be pretty astounded to find that kino works on pretty much everyone, everywhere as long as you …
/r/seduction22/01/11 11:45 PM
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Side note: does her referring to Bishops as "nipples" count as an IOI? Because I would certainly hope so. Basically, yeah. Any time a girl is using sexual innuendo it's a very good sign. Next time you notice this, you should try escalating the level of innuendo, e.g. you capture her bishop and rub it and tell her "wow your nipple is hard!" etc.
/r/seduction22/01/11 11:33 PM
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The game where you take a knife (or whatever, preferably something less dangerous) and stab in between your fingers when your palm is spread out on a table or such. There was a scene in Aliens where Bishop plays it at super-speed on Bill Paxton's character's hand and he freaks out.
/r/seduction22/01/11 11:15 PM
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I get what you're saying; I don't think you did anything wrong obviously, just cautioning against overthinking once you're at the finish line. we didn't kiss until I was at her place. Because of this I thought if I got one "no" it would be the end. Maybe I'm wrong about this. Yeah, I think you are wrong. Based on several comments a while back from vets like intjpua, I've moved to a strategy of deliberately not kissing until we get back to my place. It builds sexual tension, and makes it much mor…
/r/seduction22/01/11 11:14 PM
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Totally. I always open the guys first in mixed sets; it defuses the guys so they won't cockblock you, and ignoring the women at first increases their interest.
/r/seduction22/01/11 11:10 PM
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It pretty much is never a big deal. Even if your friends don't show, by that time you should have been able to #-close and you can just make a quick exit.
/r/seduction22/01/11 11:08 PM
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Yeah, if you're doing it right you will almost never get asked why you're out alone. A lot of people seem scared of getting asked this question, but it's really not a big deal. My standard answer is "I'm meeting up with some friends in a bit" since that's pretty much always the case for me.
/r/seduction22/01/11 11:07 PM
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Actually, for beginners, I strongly recommend not trying to make small-talk over text. It's way too easy to screw things up, and there are tons of posts here to prove it. I'd recommend just texting her the following day around mid-late afternoon, with something simple asking her out, like "enjoying this [hot/cold/crazy] day? you should come meet me at [bar] tomorrow at [8]!" It's proven to be effective and has very little down side.
/r/seduction21/01/11 02:16 AM
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There have been a few posts about this here, try searching "alcohol" or "drinking". Basically the advice comes down to: either telling girls straight out "I don't drink", or saying "I'm the designated driver". Drink drinks like soda water with lime, or coke, in a short glass, that can easily be assumed to be alcoholic. There's some advice out there, especially from a few of the industry PUA's, that tells guys to lie about drinking alcohol when they're not, and I highly recommend against that rou…
/r/seduction21/01/11 01:06 AM
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Possibly, but once it's clear a girl is going to take off her clothes in bed with you, it's hard to go wrong if you just bust out your sex god moves. Newbies could screw themselves up if they start thinking "how do I incorporate more push/pull here?" when a mostly naked girl is laying in front of them.
/r/seduction21/01/11 12:51 AM
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Yeah, it will be a novelty until more people are using public location-based broadcasting services, which will take years IMO.
/r/seduction21/01/11 12:49 AM
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That's awesome man, keep it up. I definitely recommend reading my advice on not overtexting and how to get from number to first date and Mouthpiece's guide to text game if you haven't seen those, to help you on next steps with this particular girl. The next steps: just do it more! It's your first #-close, which is awesome, you'll have more in the future and you can't beat learning in the field. This was totally a cold approach; not too scary, are they? Once you do more you realize that you have …
/r/seduction21/01/11 12:46 AM
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Yeah partly, but you also gotta realize that girls who have been hot their whole lives have learned to adapt to the fact that certain guys will do anything for them and ask for nothing in return. As long as you know the deal and how to avoid it, it helps you out in the long term. I actually ended up talking to this girl for a while (while Dave stood to the side with her friend looking all forlorn :) and she was surprisingly cool. Self-awareness is a really rare trait.
/r/seduction20/01/11 11:37 PM
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...that will be difficult since I haven't given you my phone number. r/sex may be a better forum for a question like this, there are some awesomely kinky freaks over there.
/r/seduction20/01/11 11:36 PM
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My guess would be lines & tricks, you don't need those and they can easily come across as gimmicky. Being too agressive, or not building enough comfort, may come across as weird but probably not playerish unless you're really pushing the envelope. I've had a good number of ONS/SNL's and am pretty sure none of them thought they were being "gamed".
/r/seduction20/01/11 11:25 PM
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There's a site called assistedserendipity.com that does the same thing but will do it for you locally (not just CA/NY), and SMS you when the ratio gets to your specifications. That said, unless your local bars have a huge number of people who use foursquare, these things are pretty useless. And ratios are kind of useless for pickup purposes anyway. Most of the people I know who use apps like this habitually are boring or taken.
/r/seduction20/01/11 11:20 PM
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Nice work. Get off email as soon as possible though and transition to phone/text; it's easy to kill attraction over email.
/r/seduction20/01/11 10:10 PM
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Girls flake for all kinds of reasons, you have to get used to it, all you can do is maximize your odds of not making them flake. In this case, there's a lack of detail but everything seems fine. If you really want to try again instead of nexting her, I would not try to contact her again for at least a week, then try asking her out once over text. Chances are low that it will work, but you don't have much to lose, and she may contact you in the meantime (also seems unlikely though).
/r/seduction20/01/11 10:09 PM
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I can attest to this. If I'm nervous at all for my first time or two with a woman (still happens pretty often, for whatever reason), it totally takes performance anxiety off the table.
/r/seduction20/01/11 10:02 PM
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WAY too needy, too much contact, too much texting. Her phone didn't die, you killed her attraction. A classic newbie blunder is hanging out with a girl the day after you have sex for the first time. So many guys post about how cool it was that they had sex and then hung out all day the next day. Don't do this! Even if it seems like everything is going awesome, you're subconsciously killing attraction by being too available. I don't even recommend breakfast/lunch, tell her you have to do somethin…
/r/seduction20/01/11 09:58 PM
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Guys, you gotta be careful with gimmicky first date ideas like this, it's really easy to come off as try-hard or weird. And it's harder to get to know her and build rapport. What you do on a first date isn't crucial. Almost all of my first dates are casual drinks at a bar, and many of those lead to first date F-closes. It's how you work in kino, convey confidence, and get her to talk about herself that's important.
/r/seduction20/01/11 09:54 PM
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There is plenty of good advice here for how to deal with getting called a player, but you should look at root causes. I'm pretty good with the women, but have only ever been called a player by my close friends who know of my successes. If you're giving off player vibe to women you've just met, you are probably doing something wrong. What is it that you think triggers these questions?
/r/seduction20/01/11 09:50 PM
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Read up a bunch of the lists of IOI's, and then for practice, when you're out at a bar or party, try to spot them when you see a girl talking to a guy. It's kind of mind-blowing how obvious they are once you start observing.
/r/seduction20/01/11 09:48 PM
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Look up okcspecialist's post history, he seems to be one of the few guys on Seddit who knows what he is talking about re:okcupid. Some of the profile critiques on r/okcupid seem to have some good advice, but like most of Reddit there's plenty of bad advice too.
/r/seduction20/01/11 09:47 PM
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I've gotten into the mindset that there are no rejections or failures, there are just interesting conversations and sometimes it turns out that either the girl isn't into me, or I'm not into her.
/r/seduction20/01/11 09:45 PM
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Less so now than it used to be, but I still find it a little awkward to #-close a girl, eject, and then bump into her at the bar constantly for the next few hours. There is something a little odd about it. Usually when I #-close when the girl is sticking around at the bar, I will just leave. I'd recommend that for elsewhere too. A party not so much, but at a random bar or even supermarket, just leave, there are plenty of other bars and supermarkets. Or just make sure you don't bump into her agai…
/r/seduction20/01/11 09:43 PM
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This isn't much of a topic for r/seduction. But since you asked nicely, my advice is to quickly weed out as many houses as you can. If there are two events simultaeously, and you go to the first one and meet a few brothers who rub you the wrong way, cross that house off the list and go to the other event. You need as much face time as possible with the brothers in the houses you actually like. Figure out which houses those are ASAP, and then spend as much time as possible at their events. Try to…
/r/seduction20/01/11 09:39 PM
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You totally fucked things by bringing up the relationship topic so early. Unless the girl brings it up, there is no reason, ethical or otherwise, to bring it up until well into the relationship (way after sex and several/many dates). Search through the archives about establishing FWB relationships -- it's more about what you do than what you say.
/r/seduction20/01/11 09:33 PM
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Don't smoke if you need to run conversational game on women. Some people can do it, but it's really rare. If I do smoke while hanging with a girl, it's usually well after we've already slept together, or right before it if I know she's already good to go.
/r/seduction20/01/11 09:30 PM
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Love your FR's man, keep them coming. As for the downvotes, don't worry about them. My guess is that you are getting downvotes because of the massive gulf between your level of game and the thousands of AFC's on here. Some of your statements like "tokyo can't handle me" are probably perceived as bragging, but I don't give a shit about that, you're legit. AFC's take note: you can learn a lot from advanced FR's like Tofu's, even if you are still a virgin with massive AA.
/r/seduction20/01/11 09:27 PM
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I don't like going out solo just to pick up girls, but one of the things that I have taken to doing you may find helpful: when I meet my friends out at a bar, I'll intentionally arrive 30-60+ minutes early and use that time to work on my solo game. Sit at the bar; start by talking to the bartenders/doormen, then other people at the bar. It's more of a warmup routine for me, but it may help you. Getting friendly with the staff helps a lot with social proof when you're by yourself.
/r/seduction20/01/11 09:25 PM
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Nice FR. But honestly, I think the red light / green light thing is mostly you overthinking it. She didn't put up any real LMR; if you get a girl on a bed for a massage it's almost always on, and I think it was here. Not to say you didn't do the right thing, but from what I can tell of your FR she was good to go. You also probably should have taken her shirt off with the massage, it's a very easy way to make a girl comfortable with her shirt & bra off. Keep up the good work, your FR was not too …
/r/seduction20/01/11 09:23 PM
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One of the best comments I've read here in a while. You're going to be a great contributor here.
/r/seduction15/01/11 07:38 PM
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When you ask a girl out and she says she can't make it and suggests an alternative time, you should never ask her again for the original time. It makes you seem desperate/needy, and, in this case, somewhat annoyingly repetitive. Something like this would have been better: 1Me: Come over tonight. My mom's out. 2Her: Tomorroooww? 3Me: Tonight's no good? 4Her: I canttt, track :(. Tomorrow pleasee 5Me: Got a party tomorrow. Sunday could work though. Another protip: don't ask girls out for the same d…
/r/seduction15/01/11 07:16 PM
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Man, I wish this place had been around when I was in high school. I'm down to help any guy as long as they ask good questions and have a learning attitude.
/r/seduction15/01/11 07:13 PM
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Only if we head back to your place afterwards, I want to make you come again ;-) I bet most commenters will be on the "creepy" side with this one. I think usually it would be construed as creepy, but it totally depends on the girl. Some would be down with it; in this case she was. You have to trust your own instincts for what will be appropriate. If it was a girl I had slept with once, and she was playfully sexual, I maybe would have opted for something a little less direct like "I guess that de…
/r/seduction15/01/11 07:08 PM
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If you want to see a guide to kino, I would recommend googling for Vin DiCarlo's Kino Escalation Ladder. I remember the post, the guy basically had synthesized that into a brief 1-2-3 but the KEL is the ultimate source.
/r/seduction15/01/11 06:59 PM
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Get in the habit of never letting a girl you're interested in leave without asking for her number. It's a good habit to get into, and doesn't take too much practice. Making out is a controversial topic on Seddit; I'm of the opinion that you want to escalate kino up to, but not including, kissing. I think it keeps the sexual tension and mystery higher and makes it more likely she'll come back to your place.
/r/seduction15/01/11 06:54 PM
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It's so true. About a year ago I met this absolutely stunning model-looking girl who was temporarily in a wheelchair due to a broken hip or something like that. She was with this guy who was wheeling her around, buying her drinks, etc. I talked to her while he was with her friend. She said "oh that's my friend Dave, I've known him forever, he's so nice, he drives me around and has really helped me while I've been in this stupid chair." I said "wow that is nice. You know he's into you, right?" "O…
/r/seduction15/01/11 06:50 PM
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Nice! It's cool once you've "decoded" this stuff and you realize it's not as hard as it once seemed. I haven´t figured out yet how to go further Check out my post for how I take it from number to date, it should help.
/r/seduction15/01/11 06:44 PM
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It should be a win-win situation for both sexes. Well said. That's a sentiment that is often implied but rarely expressed here. I certainly try to adhere to that, just as I do with my friendships and all relationships. Not everyone who follows PUA necessarily believes that, but being a dick / using people / burning bridges is a really crappy way to lead your life no matter what your pursuits are.
/r/seduction14/01/11 09:41 PM
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Someone posts something like this every few weeks. It always generates a ton of comments, but usually nothing very productive. Seddit is generally anti-PUA-industry, as indicated by the numerous downvotes and heckles that most of the industry guys' posts receive. Nobody here who is a respected Seddit vet has ever claimed that there is a way to date any woman you want. The advice generally dispensed in Seddit is: make yourself a better, more interesting person; forget about openers; talk to every…
/r/seduction14/01/11 08:02 PM
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Ironically, one of my bad habits that is a hold-over from my AFC days is that I ask for numbers too often from girls I'm not interested in. But the way I got to this point was that back when I was banging my head against the wall trying to pick up girls, I had a couple (very rare) occasions where I did manage to talk to a girl and develop mutual interest, but then failed to get her number in a similar manner to what you describe here - sort of "closing anxiety". I just convinced myself that any …
/r/seduction14/01/11 06:26 PM
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Read up on cocky/funny, it's proven to be probably the most attractive disposition you can have. Don't be a dancing monkey, telling jokes to big groups for their approval; be witty, teasing, and always fun and confident.
/r/seduction14/01/11 06:20 PM
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Forget about PUA literature and even Seddit for now. Practice talking to everyone until you can get to a point where you find it easy to hold interesting conversations with total strangers from all walks of life. Forget about picking up women for now, it will happen in time, but for now you need to get over your AA and social anxiety, and TTE is by far the best way to do that. It carries lots of ancillary benefits too.
/r/seduction14/01/11 06:15 PM
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I've said it here before, but I think your game can be improved a lot by not framing things in terms of blowouts, or even success/failure. Being truly outcome independent is hard but it will make you much more relaxed and confident in social settings. I don't get blown out, I just talk to lots of people and have interesting conversations. Sometimes those conversations are with women who end up not being interested in me, or vice versa. Sometimes they lead to awesome relationships. Either way I s…
/r/seduction14/01/11 06:11 PM
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Not awful at all, it was nice and concise! ALWAYS keep woman-friendly alcohol at your house. I recommend at least: fridge: 6-pack of common beer, bottle of (not too cheap) champagne and bottle of light white like pinot grigio; counter: bottle of cabernet. I like to have a bottle of scotch around for when I entertain mixed groups, it always goes down well with the guys. A good move as a smoker is to tell your target to come out with you while you smoke. It's a compliance test, and gives you the a…
/r/seduction14/01/11 06:08 PM
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No, that was just a limited ban on certain flavored cigarillos that kids like to make joints out of. You can still buy all manner of cloves and related stuff.
/r/seduction14/01/11 06:03 PM
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Check out the posts by okcspecialist, he seems to know what he's talking about. Search past posts in r/seduction for okcupid. Also r/okcupid has some advice that looks good (plenty of bad advice too, so take it all with a grain of salt) - and lots of people post their profiles for critique so you can compare yourself to the other guys out there.
/r/seduction14/01/11 06:01 PM
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I would never do this on a date, but it's a perfectly good option for the night you meet a girl if she gets on the phone. Answering a phone and taking it for more than 1 minute is a big IOD, in my opinion. You need to not just sit there. If a girl I'm on a date with answers the phone, I'll immediately get up and either go to the bathroom, or get a drink and talk to the bartender or other people at the bar until well after she's off the phone. She'll often come up and get me and apologize for bei…
/r/seduction14/01/11 05:53 PM
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Quantification is the most important thing to me. Obviously if you didn't create much, don't lie, but even for small things like "Designed SQL database model" I prefer to see "Designed SQL database model (27 tables, implemented in Oracle 9i)" etc. You say "worked with and researched" - what did "worked with" mean? If you even did a teeny proof-of-concept, drop the "researched" term and say something like "Produced product POC using GWT and Spring" - that obviously implies research. "Researched" …
/r/seduction14/01/11 05:41 PM
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I'm surprised at how many women have told me recently that they LOVE beards, and (to a lesser extent) moustaches.
/r/seduction13/01/11 11:42 PM
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I've adopted the policy of cutting off all communication with exes. It helps you move on; there's a reason that you broke up, after all. You know how many women there are out there? Find new better ones.
/r/seduction13/01/11 11:33 PM
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This is sound advice. You should have access to literally dozens or hundreds of things that increase your value. I particularly like stories that are funny (the reason to tell them), but in which I played a protector or leader role (the DHV).
/r/seduction13/01/11 11:32 PM
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Read How I go from number to first date.
/r/seduction13/01/11 11:30 PM
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Cool, good luck! Your resume is indeed pretty decent especially considering you are a freshman. One tip: your bullets should focus on results less than responsibilities / skills. e.g. "Researched GWT & Spring" is less impactful than "Implemented a blah system in GWT/Spring that resulted in a X% increase in blah productivity" etc.
/r/seduction13/01/11 10:17 PM
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Good to know, thanks for the tip! I may try this, I like yoga but have only done it at home.
/r/seduction13/01/11 10:14 PM
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If you deliver it in a facetious / joking way it works well every time.
/r/seduction13/01/11 10:13 PM
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Heh, I'll have to try that some time. I bet it actually would help :)
/r/seduction13/01/11 10:12 PM
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Try focusing more on asking yourself "would I enjoy spending time with this girl?" while you're qualifying her. I judge women I just meet the same way I judge guys I just meet - are they cool/fun/interesting/value-adding? And try opening sets without the intent of picking up a girl. It will greatly improve your game.
/r/seduction12/01/11 10:30 PM
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No way man, cooking with her is a much better idea than going out, especially since she's only around for 2 more days. If she hardcore balks at it, and won't be convinced, she's probably not interested anyway, and you can easily recover by changing it to grabbing a drink.
/r/seduction12/01/11 10:23 PM
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Yeah, the "cook with her" is easily the best piece of advice I've gotten from Seddit. It's a great date and basically guaranteed lay.
/r/seduction12/01/11 10:22 PM
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Have you (or anyone) actually done this, with success? I don't go to these things, but from what my girl friends tell me, nobody meets anybody there and the guys are often looked at as creepers.
/r/seduction12/01/11 09:55 PM
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I do very little day game, so probably can't give any strong tips there. But bars/clubs work because people are out to be social and have a good time, there is alcohol as a social lubricant, women often go out there with the intent of meeting guys, and it's after dark (women respond sexually much better after dark, IME). Day game locations lack all of these things. If you don't like bars/clubs, there are other options at night that you may find helpful. I like open social events like gallery ope…
/r/seduction12/01/11 09:35 PM
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It's obviously just an extension of "Talk to Everyone", but I've especially liked meeting neighbors because they are a cross-section of people I probably would never meet out at the places I frequent. I've met all types of people, from ex-cons to shut-ins to single moms to independently wealthy entrepreneurs. I've gotten to be great friends with types of people I never have the opportunity to meet otherwise. It's fun.
/r/seduction12/01/11 09:12 PM
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It's a common newbie mistake to only open girls you're interested in. Try to practice talking to everyone and touching everyone and your game will improve immensely.
/r/seduction12/01/11 09:04 PM
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You've gotten plenty of pickup advice, so I'll just throw this professional advice out there. Even though you may have a good job already, it is a huge help to your resume down the line to graduate with a very good GPA. If you're going to a prestigious CS program like CMU, that's good, but graduating with a great GPA helps even more. I have directly hired well over 200 CS grads in my career, and seen probably 10,000 resumes, and so I'm telling you from experience that a good GPA on your resume w…
/r/seduction12/01/11 09:01 PM
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Protip: always introduce yourself to all your neighbors and get to know them by name. I only started doing this a few years ago, but it's been awesome. Every time I see someone I don't know I ask them if they're new here. I've gotten several lays via friends of neighbors, neighbor parties, etc, as well as made lots of friends I never would have known if I acted like every other person in the US and just ignored my neighbors.
/r/seduction12/01/11 08:44 PM
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Stop caring about what other random people from this interweb forum and the girls they write about look like. If you apply this stuff, it will make you more attractive, and it will improve your results with women that you're interested in. Hell, even if 100% of the FR's here are made up, they've still helped me with my game. The marketers that say you can sleep with "any woman" by going to their $1500 2-day seminar are liars, but that doesn't make PUA techniques any less valid.
/r/seduction12/01/11 08:42 PM
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If four drinks will make an ass out of you, you don't drink often enough :)
/r/seduction12/01/11 08:35 PM
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Hey man, I know you've gotten lots of shit here because you're an industry guy and people on Reddit are super spam-sensitive. But I like your posts, and you actually read and reply to comments constructively, unlike some of the other industry guys. As far as I'm concerned, you're welcome here and should stick around.
/r/seduction12/01/11 08:33 PM
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Holy shit, why are guys re-inventing the wheel in this thread?? There is only one way the 1-10 scale should be applied: how often she girl gets hit on, and how she views herself. The canonical writeup on this is here. Any other scale is subjective BS. The reason that the scale is important is not to brag about how hot the girls you're picking up are - who cares what a bunch of Redditors think - it's that an 8/9 requires different game than a 6.
/r/seduction12/01/11 08:23 PM
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If I go to a place that's dead, I'll start by opening the doormen and bartenders, and then hanging at the bar and opening anyone getting a drink if they're interesting-looking. Even if it's all dudes, it's a good way to get warmed up for when the hotties appear.
/r/seduction12/01/11 08:18 PM
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Repeat after me, never ever ever take a girl to dinner on the first date! That's like Seddit 101, covered in tons of posts. It is a MUCH better idea to cook dinner, but don't cook for her, cook with her. Open wine when she gets there, give her a job like chopping, escalate kino in the kitchen, make fun of her technique, eat together and then throw in a movie and caveman it up. Tofu is right, and in this case it's super obvious. You tried to get her to come in last night but it was too late. Now …
/r/seduction12/01/11 08:16 PM
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I wish I could maintain a "no sleepovers" rule, or at the very least "optional sleepover". With few exceptions, my FB's get their feelings hurt if I try to ninja it out of there, so now I just accept the sleepovers. Wonder what other folks' results have been? I don't mind sleepovers, but I just don't want them to have to happen every time. Sometimes I want to leave and hang out with my buddies, or go home and watch a movie :) As for maintaining a successful FB relationship, I'd recommend a frequ…
/r/seduction12/01/11 08:12 PM
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This happens to me too, especially when the girl is terrible at joke delivery and says something that seems like she's genuinely offended but she's really just joking. I have realized, though, if you apologize in that case and she is really interested in you, she'll make a huge deal about it. "No, I was just joking!! Come on, I didn't mean it!!" etc. HUGE IOI's.
/r/seduction12/01/11 08:07 PM
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#-closing / dating girls I'm not interested in - I got a bunch of numbers last year from girls I had no intention of asking out, and I asked out a bunch of girls I was on the fence about. If I'm on the fence, she's not good enough and I should eject. AA with girls I'm the most attracted to - using "talk to everyone" has given me the ability to open any group without having a pickup goal in mind, which has really helped my ability to close. But if I see a girl who I'm incredibly physically attrac…
/r/seduction12/01/11 08:03 PM
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While it's true that closing time is a good time constraint to get a girl back to your place, you can get a girl back to your place at any time if you do things right.
/r/seduction12/01/11 07:50 PM
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I like keeping girls like this around. I've only known a few, but as long as you firmly establish in your head that you're not interested / she's taken / she's a stupid tease attention-seeker etc., it can be fun. I like physical contact even with girls I'm not interested in, and seeing how far you can escalate is fun. I have one hot friend who is taken, but is always all over me when we go out without her BF, gets me to touch her boobs under "innocent" pretenses, etc. It's free social proof, and…
/r/seduction12/01/11 07:40 PM
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"Hey so I posted this thing to this seduction message board about how you're a huge tease..." No.
/r/seduction12/01/11 07:35 PM
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I realize that 7 hours is the average time you spend with a woman to get the full close, but sometimes a woman is giving you vibes, or you just get a feeling in the back of your mind that's telling you she wants to go home. What's the way you guys transition to "you wanna come home with me?" without supplicating, or killing your cool. The "7 hour rule" is total BS, in my experience. It's closer to an upper bound for me, a 30-60 minute meet at a bar, and then two 3-hour dates. My SNL's and first …
/r/seduction12/01/11 07:33 PM
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Yeah I'm definitely not hating, just curious since I steer clear of online dating and IM. What % of your initial IM sessions with OKC women end up going into sexy territory like this?
/r/seduction12/01/11 07:18 PM
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Large alcohol tolerance makes for bad hangovers when your body finally says hey, dicknose, how about some hydration? I often order a water with my drink and slam the water. Helps immensely to avoid hangovers.
/r/seduction12/01/11 07:15 PM
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I never realized how much I relied on AA to overcome alcoholism. FTFY :)
/r/seduction12/01/11 07:13 PM
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Hilarious.
/r/seduction12/01/11 07:12 PM
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Depends on the situation I guess. I don't do much dancefloor/club game, so this doesn't happen often, but if it does, I'll usually go with it. If it's really early on but I think there is strong attraction and I can go for a SNL, I'd be more likely to push her away and be like "whoa not so fast lady!" while continuing to escalate (non-kiss) kino.
/r/seduction11/01/11 11:19 PM
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6 weeks and you're 24/25? Next her, learn and move on. You should be escalating well past the kiss within the first few encounters, even if you're both complete virgins.
/r/seduction11/01/11 11:17 PM
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you are correct, sir! but i've been working on my text game, and it still seems like a bad idea if you haven't texted yet to just start off with asking a girl to go out. It may seem like a bad idea, but I've directly applied the technique exactly as described in my aforementioned post literally of dozens of times in a row and it has only "failed" once, and in that case it turned out the girl had a serious BF. In all other cases it led to dates. i'm never gonna live down my shitty texting am i? O…
/r/seduction11/01/11 11:03 PM
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This was your first text to her? You built some attraction, great. But sending a first text that tries to setup a date is a bad idea. Completely incorrect. No offense jamba_juice, but you may not be in a great position to be giving texting advice yet, amiright? :)
/r/seduction11/01/11 10:13 PM
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Ah I knew you sounded familiar. You followed my advice on when to text, but not what to text. Try it next time.
/r/seduction11/01/11 09:36 PM
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I actually think making out on the dance floor (or at any time the first night you meet a girl if it's not a SNL) reduces attraction because it relieves sexual tension. Not everyone here agrees with this though. Your text was definitely sub-par. "Wondering" and "prolly" are beta terms. Don't ask permission to take a girl out, tell her you are. The joke about flying in is bad too, jokes are so easily misinterpreted over text with someone you don't know that I just say don't do it. I described the…
/r/seduction11/01/11 08:04 PM
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It's deeper than that. Did you look at the formula they got to? Basically they are saying that if girl A has 80% of guys rating her 5/5 and 20% of guys rating her 1/5, she will receive more messages than girl B who has 80% of guys rating her 5/5 and 20% of guys rating her 4/5. Basically if there is anything in her photos to indicate that some guys will not be into her at all, the guys who think she's a 5/5 are more likely to message her. Tattoos and funky hair would be part of it, but I bet othe…
/r/seduction11/01/11 07:38 PM
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Only if you're a girl, and only if you want to get more messages. The data is about correlating distribution of appearance ratings with number of messages received. The reason that women who have a high stdev get higher numbers of messages is that guys who think they are super hot also intuitively know that many guys would find them not super hot. Those girls get more messages because the guys who find them hot believe these girls are more available. On the other hand, if a guy sees a girl and t…
/r/seduction11/01/11 07:31 PM
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I do this occasionally when I'm a little tipsy and walking down a street. Pretty much everyone will high-five you if you do it right. It's also a good parlor trick bet - bet one of your beta friends that you can get 7 out of the next 10 people you pass to give you a high five. You usually can get 10.
/r/seduction11/01/11 07:07 PM
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Wow, people really do this? I'm not hating, I just kept expecting to read "I put on my robe and wizard hat" at some point.
/r/seduction11/01/11 07:02 PM
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No, but I sometimes go to gay bars because I have gay friends, and the straight girls who go to gay bars are cool.
/r/seduction11/01/11 06:59 PM
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Don't compliment back. Saying "thanks" is not beta, and is a fine response. But I usually go for the agreement response: "you're so hot", "yes I am!" because it's cheap cocky/funny and works for pretty much any compliment.
/r/seduction11/01/11 06:53 PM
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Good work getting out of a 2-year slump. Be careful with this one, criers are usually from crazytown. Be careful with the texting and calling before you sleep with a girl, especially between the night you meet and the first date. IMO you definitely did too much here, but it didn't kill it for you this time. Especially two couple hour phone calls before a date? Way too available. Also, avoid dinner dates, but I'm sure you knew that already.
/r/seduction11/01/11 06:51 PM
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Wow I didn't think you'd do it either! Good luck. Breakups are waaaaaay harder the first few times.
/r/seduction11/01/11 06:41 PM
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Nice FR. You're being too hard on yourself, like a lot of newbies are, for not approaching. The best way to develop is to associate positive emotions with approaching all strangers, not negative emotions for not approaching. Go out to have fun, regardless of the result.
/r/seduction11/01/11 06:33 PM
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Welcome! I also started getting into the PUA stuff around age 32 (I'm 34 now). It's never too late to start.
/r/seduction11/01/11 06:28 PM
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Random drunk dude on a train at 5-6am? You can do better! Guys who can't take no for an answer are bad news.
/r/seduction11/01/11 06:23 PM
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No prob, welcome to Seddit! Make sure you check out all the material in the sidebar, it's all great stuff. Also reading through the "Top" posts is a good intro.
/r/seduction11/01/11 12:22 AM
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...that you probably didn't read the "Can we talk about cool openers?" section of the FAQ.
/r/seduction10/01/11 11:57 PM
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Yeah, nobody will ever say no unless you're a real weirdo. I've done it to tables of girls when there are still plenty of other tables open around us.
/r/seduction10/01/11 11:53 PM
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Sure, but quality is subjective and (to some, like me) not always directly correlated to looks. My point is, do watch ya like.
/r/seduction10/01/11 11:34 PM
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This is the link you're thinking of, I believe. I totally agree that the scale is useful if applied as it's described in the post. My comment was responding to the spirit of the original commenter who was complaining that most guys exaggerate the rating of the girls they're with.
/r/seduction10/01/11 11:22 PM
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Good luck man, watch out for attachment issues. I'm not sure I'd be down to deflower a girl these days, but that's just me.
/r/seduction10/01/11 11:15 PM
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I prefer places that are more standing room, or with big shared seating like picnic tables. If it's a place with small tables (or worse, booths), the bar is your best option to open people. Smoking areas are good too, if you smoke.
/r/seduction10/01/11 11:15 PM
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I open anyone who looks like they are interesting. I don't go out with the sole intent of picking up women, I actually enjoy meeting all sorts of people. Sometimes, the groups I'm talking to include a woman I'm interested in, and then it becomes a pickup scenario, but it usually doesn't start that way.
/r/seduction10/01/11 11:15 PM
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Cool man, being a server is a great way to build up "talk to everyone" and kino expertise. You'll improve in no time. Probably already in good stead if you're getting numbers from your customers already!
/r/seduction10/01/11 11:08 PM
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Me: No worries, I'll let you make it up to me Tuesday or Friday. Her: Lol I'm working those days. Me: So wednesday, Thursday or Sunday, take your pick. Well you totally tipped your hand that the "Tues or Fri" was basically a false constraint. That's a big mistake, this one is probably a lost cause. You should have responded something like "alright workaholic, text me when you're open." Then wait until at least after friday, if she doesn't give you a text (which is likely regardless of whether sh…
/r/seduction10/01/11 11:06 PM
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Go to bars and observe guys who seem to be good at meeting women. Position yourself so you can observe, and listen in on, their conversations. Even better is to meet guys who are out to pick up chicks and watch/help them in action.
/r/seduction10/01/11 11:06 PM
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Wow, this is more like an OCD cleaner's checklist than a PUA list. I honestly am a pretty crappy housekeeper, but I've never ever ever lost a chick due to that. If she comes back to my place, it's game over. I think the main thing is not to be super messy or smelly. No dirty dishes, smelly trash, etc. I use those plug-in air fresheners with a very light neutral scent. Plenty of cool stuff to talk about in the house, good music, and it should overall look nice and be comfortable. Keeping a clean …
/r/seduction10/01/11 11:02 PM
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Not really my scene, personally. As long as you guys are using PUA advice to spend more time with the types of people you want to be spending time with, I don't care if they are 800-lb trollbeast crossdressers. And I don't care at all what you think about the people I hang out with. For those who are interested, though, if you don't care about sharing real names, a Facebook "secret group" would be a decent option. I think you could also create a private invitation-only subreddit for this.
/r/seduction10/01/11 10:46 PM
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A thread like this comes up fairly regularly. It can be a fun exercise, but I sincerely believe that you can learn almost nothing about PUA techniques from TV/film. Dialogue on screen is just so abbreviated/different from real life. You'll improve more in a few hours of applying "Talk to Everyone" than you will from years of movie watching.
/r/seduction10/01/11 10:11 PM
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Another great helpful FR. I absolutely love Miami, it will get better. I actually managed to over-disqualify myself to her (still not 100% calibrated with the HB9s) by saying I have no interest in Spanish girls. Yeah, that's just like saying "you're too young for me". Something like "I love the Dominican Republic, but Japanese people are so much more fun" may have been better.
/r/seduction10/01/11 10:08 PM
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You've had good advice here so far. Ignore her comment and a simple "Meet me in the food court at 7" is totally fine. You'll need to assess her interest level, escalating kino is the best way to do this. I don't usually mess with girls with boyfriends - there are tons of single girls out there - but she didn't say "boyfriend" so it's definitely worth pursuing further. If she is hot and cool, and you like hanging out with her, she could be a good wingwoman for you in the new town. If you go out w…
/r/seduction10/01/11 09:59 PM
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Don't friend girls you're interested in. Next time you see her, just strike up a conversation and try to work in some kino. Then ask her for her number. My method for asking for numbers has worked well for me. If you're not confident with conversations, you need more practice in talking to everyone.
/r/seduction10/01/11 09:48 PM
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Great FR. asks me if that’s common practice here in NYC (to just put your shit down, stake your claim, and tell people you’re hanging out) This is a great move, especially if it's somewhere that it's not commonly done. I like doing it around heaters, or comfortable seats, or anywhere that I want to be, especially if there are hotties around there.
/r/seduction10/01/11 09:35 PM
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There comes a time in every set where you shamelessly have to let her know you want her. I learned this the hard way. Can you clarify this? I don't think I agree, but I'm also not sure what you mean by "shamelessly have to let her know you want her".
/r/seduction10/01/11 08:42 PM
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That's cool, you're doing it because you find it fun, which was my point. The only thing intrinsically more impressive about picking up a 9+ is that they are generally so much harder to pick up. But I don't give a shit about that, personally. I'm not here to impress other people and I find most 9+'s annoying. Personally I go for girls I like hanging out with, and that is much more important than looks for me. I like FR's where the OP talks more about how awesome a time he had with the girl rathe…
/r/seduction10/01/11 08:39 PM
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Even group dates the next day are bad. Any request to hang out the next day comes of as needy, IMO. A common thing newbs do after a girl stays over for the first time (sex or no) is to end up hanging out with her for a good portion of the next day, usually starting with breakfast or lunch. There are plenty of FR's here where, even when that next day seems like it went awesome, the girl naturally/subconsciously loses attraction. I deliberately exclude girls I'm seeing from even meeting my friends…
/r/seduction10/01/11 08:31 PM
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It's a huge shit test, you either ignore it or make fun of it in an outrageous way. For the player test specifically, ignoring it is probably the best option. The joking option would be something like "hell yeah I am, I'm awesome at both monopoly AND chinese checkers!" The worst thing you can do is just say "no I'm not".
/r/seduction10/01/11 08:20 PM
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Excellent first FR, it's great to see a newbie actually read, understand, and apply the most important concepts from Seddit! Good work. Kino is extremely important to women - they tend to be much more non-verbal communicators than men - so start practicing. Touch everyone sounds creepy at first, but it's a great exercise and will totally open your eyes to kino. I was oblivious to it for many years until I discovered PUA stuff, it really works wonders.
/r/seduction10/01/11 08:15 PM
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I don't go out "sarging", I just go out with my friends and have a good time, which often entails meeting women I'm interested in. I always drink when I go out, although if I am really looking to pick up that night, I take it somewhat easy. I have a large alcohol tolerance, so it's easy to stay relatively sober while keeping pace with women. I've had plenty of pickups when I was completely smashed, but usually the girl was too which makes it easier obviously. PSA: don't drink and drive, ever.
/r/seduction10/01/11 08:08 PM
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Don't ever invite girls out to consecutive date nights, especially in the early stages. It makes you seem over-available and needy. You should be seeing her maybe every 3-5 days. She declined the invite to the comedy show, fine. I would wait 2-3 days with NO contact. Then ask her out over text (my method here). If she just flat declines again with no option to reschedule, she's not interested and you should next her.
/r/seduction10/01/11 08:02 PM
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A ONS is only a ONS if you don't ask them out again. So you just ask them out again. If I want to see a girl again after our first night together, I'll usually just wait 2-3 days then text them to meet me at a bar for drinks. Described in detail in this post.
/r/seduction10/01/11 07:56 PM
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I don't know how well this would work in college, but here's my method for making it clear we're just FWB's. only call/text her at night. see her no more than 3 nights a week, even that is pushing it. no smalltalky texts or calls. try to make the "usual" meet up just her going to your place, or you going to hers. You can also do late-night meetups at parties or bars if they will end in a hookup. don't ever do meals or movies together unless maybe it's cooking at your place. make sure you have se…
/r/seduction10/01/11 07:50 PM
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Nice FR. Don't worry about not getting a text back from your immediate text, it only happens a small portion of the time anyway and only when the girl is extremely interested. Don't wait until mid-week or later to ask her out.
/r/seduction10/01/11 07:46 PM
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I can tell you unequivocally that just being in the company of people perceived as very low value will DEFINITELY lower your value, and your chances of picking up. I often go out and find myself talking to strangers, often in a 1:1 setting. Sometimes these people are weirdos, very unattractive, and/or very socially awkward. I don't mind these things, because I like meeting people off my beaten path. But when I'm talking to someone (male or female) and someone else (of "high value") I just met co…
/r/seduction10/01/11 07:39 PM
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gave her my number like a boss. Bosses don't give out their numbers, they get girls' numbers. There's a good reason for this, if you get in the habit of giving out your number without getting hers, you'll get VERY few callbacks, even from the girls who were really attracted to you. It's just the way it works. "Wouldn't it be a bit awkward?" I'd probably say something like "only if you turn out to be a man."
/r/seduction10/01/11 07:32 PM
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Pickup isn't a game where you earn more points the hotter the girl is. As long as you are spending time with girls you like spending time with, it's all good from my perspective.
/r/seduction10/01/11 07:28 PM
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Being generous and helping people without their solicitation is a good way to succeed in business too. There's a good book called "Never Eat Lunch Alone" that changed how I think about networking. The base premise of the book is that whenever you meet someone new in a professional setting, try to figure out any way you could help that person rather than vice versa. It helped me a lot.
/r/seduction10/01/11 07:23 PM
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I don't get this often, but if I do, I usually try to make the girl feel silly for labeling a social encounter as a "date". Two routes I take: one, "what is this, 1950?" implying that date is an old-school concept; or asking her to define what a date is, telling her "I don't know if I've ever been on a date, what is a date?" and then making her define it, teasing her about it, etc.
/r/seduction10/01/11 07:20 PM
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Morality is a pretty amorphous topic here. In pickup, as in all of life, I personally like to basically practice "treat others like you would want to be treated". So not only do I not ask girls out that I'm not interested in, I don't usually get their phone number either. That said, if you want to become friends with her, I would invite her out to some group stuff and make it clear that you're not interested. There are plenty of women out there you would be interested in that you can "practice" …
/r/seduction10/01/11 07:18 PM
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If it's a girl you have just met, don't ever buy her a drink. My favorite response if I literally just met the girl and she is trying to get me to buy her a drink is "nah, but that guy probably would". I wrote a post about this topic in the context of first dates a while back that you may find helpful.
/r/seduction10/01/11 07:12 PM
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Nice!!
/r/seduction08/01/11 07:14 PM
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Awesome! You'll love it here. Unless you have bad allergies which is pretty much the only thing bad about Austin. If you want to grab a beer when you get here, let me know, I'm moving out soon but I'll be around in two weeks.
/r/seduction08/01/11 07:13 PM
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Uh just ask her out to a bar and then bang her? Pretty much the same move whether or not you want to "date" her. You never let a girl know your intentions up front, whatever they are, unless you want to kill attraction.
/r/seduction08/01/11 07:09 PM
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Spalding Gray is the best storyteller I've ever seen. Sadly you can't see him live anymore, but if you can get your hands on Swimming to Cambodia or Gray's Anatomy, they're worth a watch. There's no practice like practice though. Telling stories in a big group is great practice. You'll notice that bad storytellers constantly get interrupted and cut off, but good storytellers can keep a whole room entertained.
/r/seduction08/01/11 07:07 PM
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This is an awesome response.
/r/seduction08/01/11 07:02 PM
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"Talk to everyone" has greatly enriched my life.
/r/seduction08/01/11 07:00 PM
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Yeah man I'm pretty sure your absolutely horrible texting did you in even before the final text. Your first text was probably the worst, even jokingly it comes off as needy. Actually upon further inspection, all of your texts were terrible. Like really, really terrible and you should never text like that again. Thanks for sharing it, because I'm pretty sure there are tons of guys who read this who would do the exact same thing as you. You should have not texted her at all on the plane, then spok…
/r/seduction08/01/11 06:57 PM
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I told her it could be whatever she wanted it to be, and that there was no need for her to worry or stress over it. I think it was this that did you in. Putting the ball in the girl's court is pretty much never the right answer. If I were you, I would be mostly unavailable. Don't "spend a lot of time around here". Every time you see her, you should be strongly alpha by dictating where you're going, what you're doing etc. I wouldn't wait long at all (maybe one or two times) before trying to initi…
/r/seduction08/01/11 06:45 PM
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Keep-alive messages are fine, but keep them to maybe one per week. You should always reject anything other than phone numbers. Email/IM/Facebook are fraught with risk. As for getting from numbers to day 2's, my post from a little while ago may help you.
/r/seduction08/01/11 06:21 PM
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If you don't feel like going out, just don't go out. Pickup isn't a job, it's something you do for fun. If sleeping is more appealing at the time, do that.
/r/seduction08/01/11 06:16 PM
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Postcards are an unsolicited gift. I would never send a postcard to a girl I haven't slept with, unless we are strictly good friends and I'm totally disinterested in her.
/r/seduction08/01/11 06:12 PM
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Ha, glad to help! For someone brand new to town, I'd recommend you first check out the W 6th area, then the Rainey Street area, then the east side, then Red River. Between those 4 areas I guarantee you will be able to find something you like. If you're in your early 20's, dirty 6th will obviously be a place to start too.
/r/seduction08/01/11 12:18 AM
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This is all good info. The Driskill bar is a cool chill place, but it's super low energy, mostly populated with oldies, and not at all conducive to pickup unless it's a 1- or 2-set right at the bar. The W bars would be a much better option now. The Intercontinental's upstairs bar is OK when it's packed, and the Radisson and Hilton bar areas can be pretty good late night. It doesn't surprise me at all that The Ranch is the destination of choice for local bootcamps. It's not at all my crowd, but i…
/r/seduction07/01/11 11:49 PM
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My list of favorite places to meet people in Austin.
/r/seduction07/01/11 11:45 PM
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I know nothing about Houston's going out scene, sorry. Others here may be able to help.
/r/seduction07/01/11 11:44 PM
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Yeah I wouldn't recommend going to the east side in a sports coat, you'll stick out like a sore thumb. I go out there in a t-shirt and jeans with the occasional jacket/sweater when it's cold. If you hate hipsters, you'll find it hard to like, but since so many of my friends are hipsters, I've gotten past the aesthetic and just find them to be cool people I like hanging out with. Even if they all basically dress in the same ironic "non-conforming" style.
/r/seduction07/01/11 11:01 PM
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Yeah, west 6th is definitely the most pickup-y scene in Austin. I prefer the east side women - more down to earth, lower maintenance, less makeup, more intelligent - but west 6th is probably the "most likely to please" area for a mid 20's to mid 30's PUA. Lustre Pearl and Shangri-La were awesome this summer though.
/r/seduction07/01/11 09:04 PM
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Oh yeah, totally. I've seen coke deals on that corner there at 2am. If I go to those places, it's usually Lanai early, or the dancier places if I get there by 11. After midnight it's usually sausagefest central.
/r/seduction07/01/11 08:59 PM
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SXSW is good - lots of free / open bar events, tons of music, lots of out-of-towners. Definitely worth checking out. ACL is another weekend that is awesome for meeting people. Pretty much all the outdoor festivals and other events in Austin, especially in Spring/Summer, are great for meeting people.
/r/seduction07/01/11 08:42 PM
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Kinda general advice, but when you give your number to a guy, you should get his, probably by telling him to text/call you on the spot. If he doesn't ask you out in a day or two, there is nothing wrong with taking the initiative and proactively asking him out. Even though it's usually the guy who does it, I don't mind at all if a girl asks me out. Just don't act too needy and overtext him. I'd recommend the single "hey come out and meet me at [bar] tomorrow at [8]!" text.
/r/seduction07/01/11 08:08 PM
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You inspired me to write this post since I've been asked similar questions a few times recently. Enjoy!
/r/seduction07/01/11 08:01 PM
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100% agree, mostly bad advice in this thread. Seems like a bunch of guys who read "drunk girl in bed", and started having AFC fantasies about what they would do if they were ever lucky enough to have something like that happen. Almost regardless of what happened prior, who she is, who I am, my move will nearly always be: I get into my bed with her and sleep, and if I like her and we're both single, I make a move in the morning. Moving her to the couch makes it seem like you have a problem with b…
/r/seduction07/01/11 06:35 PM
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Studying is fucking boring and NOT a good way to get natural kino and all that in. Should I be asking them to hang out with me on non-academic terms? Yes. Studying is not a date, it's what AFC's do when they're too pussy to ask a girl out. Ask her to a party, to a coffee shop, to your place for dinner, whatever, just not studying. Don't ask her to movies or a sit-down restaurant dinner. There's a big post from a while back about date ideas, search for it. How do I stop looking like the 'jokester…
/r/seduction07/01/11 06:24 PM
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How old are you, and what are you looking for in terms of spots (and the women who frequent them)?
/r/seduction07/01/11 06:04 PM
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Nice try, Krauser. Anyway, I'm not saying he should be in jail or anything, I just find it skeevy. Definitely not jealous, I don't even find most 21 year olds dateable. Personal taste, YMMV.
/r/seduction06/01/11 11:01 PM
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Good luck man, try reading up on strategies to get HB10's because that's basically the category that decent-looking strippers fall into. Bear in mind she gets hit on by probably pretty much every guy she talks to during a shift. The strippers I've known are a festering pile of childhood traumas, alcohol/drug abuse, and probably STD's, and that's just the more normal-seeming ones, so I stay the heck away.
/r/seduction06/01/11 10:30 PM
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I used to get called this all the time, mostly by women who worked with me. Being in stuffy office environments, doing lots of presentations, I think I was carrying some of that office machismo into the out-of-hours time. I just make a conscious effort to be funnier and more laid back in social settings. When I first meet someone, I just make sure I give off a very fun, entertaining vibe. I stay away from topics that trigger debates, because if it's something I'm passionate about and the person …
/r/seduction06/01/11 10:21 PM
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I'm sure they do. Croatia is a hot spot for sex tourism. Gross. Krauser has mentioned at least FB-closing 16-year-olds on his blog before. Just eww.
/r/seduction06/01/11 10:16 PM
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That may or may not be true, but 35 year olds can do better than hanging out with girls who live with their parents, wear school uniforms and have math homework. It's partly a social morals issue, too. If I was dating a 17 year old, I'd immediately lose well over half of my friends, and I wouldn't blame them. 17 is legal where I live, but even I would consider it borderline pedophilia (I'm also in my thirties).
/r/seduction06/01/11 10:08 PM
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Sure, but that doesn't make it OK. You could apply that same argument to a 13-year-old girl.
/r/seduction06/01/11 10:04 PM
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Nice FR, keep them coming man. I'm also in the "used to be married" camp. I think the book gift (at $7 it's not going to break the bank) does huge things for your DHV. And it's the DHV that keeps giving. The general advice on Seddit (which I agree with) is to not give unsolicited gifts to women you haven't slept with, for any reason. I think a cheap book, on the right topic, to the right woman, may be unusual enough to get a lady interested, or at least prove that you aren't a knuckledragger. I …
/r/seduction06/01/11 09:58 PM
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Krauser's videos make me feel icky. They are so awkward and forced and he comes across as fairly sleazy. And maybe I'm old fashioned, but an older guy hitting on high school age girls is not appropriate.
/r/seduction06/01/11 08:57 PM
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Nice FR, sharing less "eventful" nights is just as helpful as the slam dunks. What city are you in? The only places in Austin where I ever get blown out like this are the super meat markety places where guys are constantly hitting on girls so bitch shields are at a maximum. Why do you think the first and second groups were so unresponsive? Bitch shields, or do you need to work on your convo skills? And why did your buddy cut loose the only group you hooked? Were you not talking to the second gir…
/r/seduction06/01/11 07:20 PM
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At least from the time I spent in Munich (not during Oktoberfest), I was incredibly underwhelmed by the women there. There were like 1% of women who were ridiculously hot, but the remaining 99% were definitely WAY below the distribution you see in the US.
/r/seduction06/01/11 07:02 PM
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We're adding over 500 subscribers a week right now, it isn't exactly a secret society. That rate of growth is hurting the quality here. Especially in the past month there have been tons more posts with very ignorant questions, useless FR's, more trolling, less helpful comments, and all the while we haven't gotten many (any?) additional people who seem to really know this stuff. What's the worst that can happen? A massive flamewar, which happened just a few months ago.
/r/seduction06/01/11 06:55 PM
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Oops, sorry, I didn't even make it to that part.
/r/seduction06/01/11 06:28 PM
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You should stop marketing r/seduction to people on IAmA (or elsewhere on reddit), it just dilutes the quality of this sub and attracts trolls.
/r/seduction06/01/11 05:52 AM
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Relevant.
/r/seduction06/01/11 05:47 AM
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It's not entirely out of the question that a cashier at a liquor store doesn't have a cell phone, but it was probably a made up excuse because she felt weird about being asked out. Instead of "maybe I'll see you around", I would have tried something like "no phone? well if you're not a homeless person, you should come meet me out for a drink at [bar] on [friday]." Given where you are, I would go back there in a few days and just ask her out.
/r/seduction06/01/11 05:33 AM
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Just wait until they hit 30 and start babying up. That's when I realized I needed to get out and meet new people. My best advice is to practice talk to everyone religiously. I tried doing some organized stuff to meet people, but gave it up when I realized I could meet cool people in cool bars. So that's how I meet people now, for the most part. If you have problems approaching, try to find a good wingman, or better yet, wingwoman, to help you out. What I would much prefer to do is be able to put…
/r/seduction06/01/11 04:18 AM
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Maybe move on to a girl who isn't in a committed relationship with a boyfriend she loves?
/r/seduction06/01/11 01:15 AM
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Exchanging gifts with a girl you haven't even kissed yet is a fast-track to the friendzone. I would recommend avoiding giving any girl a gift unless you have already slept with her, and it's her birthday or maybe Christmas. I doubt buying a movie ticket for a girl will kill you, but it won't help. It was probably just not that good a date because you were both stuck sitting inside a theater watching a (IMO) terrible movie for 2+ hours.
/r/seduction06/01/11 12:02 AM
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I'm 6', 180, fairly good looking. I vaguely resemble Sinn minus the lip ring and a few pounds. I used to be much less good looking - acne, super skinny, bad hairdo - but I hit the gym and fixed my hair and skin. I don't work out much currently other than ride my bike, but I have a naturally athletic build. I also started doing a lot more outdoorsy stuff in the past couple years, which gives me a pretty good tan and I find that helps a lot with the ladies.
/r/seduction05/01/11 11:04 PM
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It's a tried and true method advocated here. I didn't actually do it that often before discovering Seddit, now I do it every first date. I take her to one place, then after 1-2 hours say "let's get out of here" and lead her to another place, usually very close by. After 1-2 hours, I do the same, but that time it's usually back to my place assuming things went well. There are many reasons this is a great technique: it creates compliance and trust, it makes the date more interesting (even if the 2…
/r/seduction05/01/11 10:33 PM
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How other guys live their lives shouldn't really be that relevant to your situation. Do what you want and think is best.
/r/seduction05/01/11 09:52 PM
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Per the method I follow, I would wait 24 hours and then text her with a simple "how's your day going? come meet me at [bar] tomorrow at [8]!" Never ask a girl what her plans are, just go straight to telling her to come out with you at a specific place/time.
/r/seduction05/01/11 08:59 PM
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she fully goes in for the hug. I was taken aback by the situation Start making it a habit to hug everyone you know when you see them, at least all the women. It makes kino more natural and makes girls more comfortable.
/r/seduction05/01/11 08:57 PM
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When I date a woman who has lots going on, the only adjustment I make is to schedule dates 2-3 days in advance rather than my typical 1. If they still are too busy to hang out with you, pull the plug. I'll generally pull the plug on any girl who declines 2 invites in a row with no sincere attempt to make it up to me.
/r/seduction05/01/11 08:56 PM
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Try this method for getting numbers, it works great for me. I usually talk to women for more like 15-30 minutes before getting a number, but I've gotten numbers in under a minute.
/r/seduction05/01/11 08:53 PM
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I wrote a post about this subject a while back that you may find helpful.
/r/seduction05/01/11 08:44 PM
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Bars are overdone Almost all my dates are to bars, there's nothing wrong with them. Lots of bars have games like pinball, pool, skeeball, darts etc which can be a good interlude. And they're often in proximity to other bars, good for the multi-location bounce. Cooking together is of course a good option but may not be appropriate for a first date depending on how you met the girl. Taking a class seems tryhard and a bit like watching a movie - very little interaction/kino opportunities.
/r/seduction05/01/11 08:38 PM
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Use a 12-pound ball or heavier, stand 2 points to the right, and apply slight inward spin on the ball as you release so that you hit the pins right in the strike pocket.
/r/seduction05/01/11 08:35 PM
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I've interviewed with lots of these types of women. My advice would be to forget about "game", just be super-professional and confident and do not make any comment that calls to light the fact that she is a woman. Don't do anything that gives off creep or player vibe either.
/r/seduction05/01/11 08:22 PM
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Don't ever neg a hiring interviewer.
/r/seduction05/01/11 08:20 PM
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In my experience, women respond much better sexually after the sun is down. I generally avoid day first dates, they just seem more sterile and less fun than going out for an evening drink. Coffee date at night is probably OK, but I find bars much more conducive to kino and general fun than a coffee shop.
/r/seduction05/01/11 08:19 PM
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Taking dating advice from Joel Spolsky is like taking programming advice from Mystery.
/r/seduction05/01/11 08:17 PM
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In response to your edit and new question: I'd strongly recommend avoiding doing back-to-back days with a girl until after you've slept with her. It probably won't kill you at this stage, and isn't a terrible move since you want this girl as your GF, but I'd stick with your original position of having plans and then see her 1-2 days later.
/r/seduction05/01/11 08:10 PM
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This is a good point. I think it works because "I'm too old for you" disqualifies yourself but the immediate mental reaction it triggers ("no he's not") actually increases your standing as a potential mate in her mind. The same thing for "You're too young for me" ("no I'm not") doesn't work because the girl knows nothing about you. Mental note: need to start using "I'm too old for you" more often.
/r/seduction04/01/11 08:20 PM
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That seems pretty supplicating. Just kidding :) I don't mind the female posts in Seddit, but honestly I think just like girls are pretty bad at giving advice to guys, we don't have a great track record of giving advice to girls. A Seddit-like sub for girls seems like a better idea, but I have a feeling it would end up resembling RelationshipAdvice more than it would Seddit.
/r/seduction04/01/11 08:13 PM
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I'd rather not award bad behavior.
/r/seduction04/01/11 08:05 PM
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Talk to Everyone! It's advice that literally every person in the world could benefit from.
/r/seduction04/01/11 08:05 PM
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Man, I'm envious, if I knew even 10% of the PUA-related stuff I know now, I would have killed in college. "Talk to everyone" is going to be pure gold for you on campus, make sure you get to know all the staff and security guards, etc, it's huge social proof and is actually pretty fun.
/r/seduction04/01/11 08:00 PM
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For some reason, even though it violates the "rule" about not teasing girls about things they can't change, height appears to be an exception. I usually say things that aren't too direct like "I'd be afraid to break you if we ever got together", and I don't mention height if the girl seems insecure, but when used in the right spot it definitely works. Sinn pulls off a good little height bit in his infield video.
/r/seduction04/01/11 07:58 PM
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Dude, this is the first girl you met after ending a 5-year relationship. She's not "the one". It's been 2 weeks which is way too long, but if you want to give it a shot, send her a private FB message saying something brief and to the point like "happy birthday! I never got your phone number that night, what is it?" If she doesn't respond, just remember there are millions of women out there.
/r/seduction04/01/11 07:52 PM
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You told her you're interested in her, you bought her flowers, you were in bed with her twice without making a move, and you've probably been texting/calling her too often. All of these are cardinal Seddit sins and will kill attraction. You need to back off a little and seem a lot less needy. Read more Seddit.
/r/seduction04/01/11 07:40 PM
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Don't beat around the bush by trying to gauge her interest over text message. Just ask her out over text, see bullet #7 from this post. If she isn't interested at all, she won't respond, but asking her out will get you a much higher response rate than trying to be all nice guy.
/r/seduction04/01/11 07:32 PM
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If you've never approached a girl, you shouldn't even be reading PUA material IMO. You should start by practicing talk to everyone until you get good at it and can talk to any random stranger for 15+ minutes. Then start working in the PUA techniques on women you like.
/r/seduction04/01/11 07:29 PM
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Text her once to ask her out. I would just use the method I described in this post (seventh bullet).
/r/seduction04/01/11 07:28 PM
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No, but I do know that some of my guy friends are redditors and may or may not read this sub, so I deliberately leave out some identifying details in my posts.
/r/seduction04/01/11 07:21 PM
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Once you recognize that - especially in the early stages of a relationship - women are motivated by the need to figure out if / how much you like them, and it's really the mystery that generally drives them, a lot of the things like this start making a whole lot more sense. It also applies to push/pull, teasing, not being fully available, etc.
/r/seduction04/01/11 07:20 PM
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That sucks, lesson learned. I've personally just accepted that it isn't possible for me to have true friendships with females without one of us, at some point, becoming sexually attracted to the other person. Here you did it intentionally, so it's kind of your fault, but it probably would have happened at some point, it's human nature. When it does happen to me, and it's not reciprocated from either me or her, I've gotten good at brushing it off and acting like nothing happened. I kind of enjoy …
/r/seduction04/01/11 07:17 PM
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Thanks for posting this, I like seeing verbatim text logs. I didn't really get the ping; was it referring to something you had talked about? I mean, who eats filet with white wine? Just seems like an odd question. But it obviously won't kill you. The immediate resched of 3 hours back to 6:30 was pretty abrupt. I typically schedule dates for 8pm, but if a girl asks for earlier, I will move one hour max. Going from 9:30 to 6:30 seems odd, probably even from the girl's perspective. Good solid game.
/r/seduction04/01/11 07:03 PM
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I really hate the move of hanging out with a girl the day after a date, even if the date ended in an F-close. It just makes you seem too available. This girl likes you, you need to plow past the resistance. Take her on a real date, get her all juiced up, and then go back to your place and go for the kiss again. I'm pretty sure in that other thread you said you agreed with her excuse and backed down, which is not the way to deal with such resistance.
/r/seduction04/01/11 06:54 PM
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I would send her a VERY short email asking for her number. Don't apologize for not getting it (or for anything else). Something like "Hey [day] was fun, let's do it again. What's your number?" would be fine. Then call her to ask her out (I don't usually advocate calling, but you shouldn't transition from email to text message). Don't wait on this, strike while the iron is hot.
/r/seduction04/01/11 06:50 PM
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You need practice. I actually think the main problem is you thinking of it as "stacking". It's just talking. Talk to everyone all day, every day and you will improve. Just try stuff out, and see what is working for you and what isn't. I like to start conversations in bars by talking about how people know each other, or by making fun of some other people in the bar.
/r/seduction04/01/11 06:48 PM
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Yeah, unfortunately it's probably an internet law that the more people who join a forum, the shittier it gets. I think Seddit will have longevity far past other forums because of the up/down voting mechanism, and the fact that even though there are tons of noobs around, they still appear to almost always upvote the good advice and downvote the bad advice.
/r/seduction04/01/11 12:57 AM
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It was Friday you met her? You need to ask her out ASAP. He who hesitates his lost. I suggest my method (7th bullet point) for asking her out, but instead of a bar, choose something like ice skating (which is actually a pretty good first date idea, IMO - I did one ice skating date in college and it was fun).
/r/seduction04/01/11 12:30 AM
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No, I just started doing it. You'll be extremely surprised how willing pretty much any stranger is to talk to you - most people are bored with how partitioned off our lives are when we're around strangers.
/r/seduction04/01/11 12:27 AM
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When you must give your number out, like you apparently had to here, you need to give the girls an excuse to call you. "Make sure you call me tomorrow so I can give you the details to my party." I actually think in this one case, getting an email address (or even gasp FB) would have been more effective, especially under the guise of a party invite.
/r/seduction04/01/11 12:26 AM
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Should I text the girl at all today/future/ever? Do you want to see her again? If so, then yes, text her and ask her out.
/r/seduction04/01/11 12:15 AM
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You have to keep her slightly warm to show her you haven't forgotten, but keep the texts (and other communication) to an absolute minimum. I would recommend maybe 2-3 texts over the 2 weeks, with simple keepalives like "OMG it's freezing here! I saw a dog with snowboots on!" or stuff like that. DO NOT let it devolve into smalltalking over text, that will kill attraction.
/r/seduction04/01/11 12:04 AM
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Most of the time i would leave about 20 minutes, but i know i had some in there that were too quick. Shit man even 20 minutes is too quick a lot of the time. If a girl cold-texts me during the day, I habitually wait until late afternoon (usually about 5) to respond. I almost never respond in less than 15-20 minutes unless it's a time sensitive manner and we were already texting. Your mission in doing this should be to come off as busy, and not that available to her. Try focusing on using texting…
/r/seduction04/01/11 12:00 AM
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Whatever makes you happy > whatever doesn't make you happy / as happy.
/r/seduction03/01/11 11:55 PM
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This is sound advice. Every guy's results can be improved by being out with attractive women.
/r/seduction03/01/11 11:45 PM
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Any activity where you are forced to talk to strangers will help approach anxiety for sure. The less scripted it is and the more face-to-face ad hoc conversation involved, the better.
/r/seduction03/01/11 11:41 PM
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When I meet buddies out and don't yet feel really "in state", I like to go to our designated meetup bar at least 30-60 minutes early, and just spend that time talking to the bar staff and other patrons at the bar. It helps a lot.
/r/seduction03/01/11 11:40 PM
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Should be obvious to everyone, but don't follow medical advice from Reddit unless your doctor agrees with it. alprazolam (aka Xanax) has lots of side effects, and interacts poorly with alcohol.
/r/seduction03/01/11 11:39 PM
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A healthy relationship will all its pitfalls is more important (I know most here won't agree) and will get you more fulfillment. That is an opinion - and not one that everyone here will agree with, for various reasons. I'm not sure about most, but I do know that most guys here aren't currently looking for an LTR as a big priority. But that's beside the point. People come here to get better at meeting and dating women. What they do with that knowledge is then up to them. For me, I have enjoyed th…
/r/seduction03/01/11 11:34 PM
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Don't email a girl for a second date! I would go so far as to say never email a girl after you've met her in person, but I'm a big opponent of avoiding online means wherever possible. Get her number, and ask her out on a second date. Be assertive. This post describing my method of asking a girl out over text should help you. As for compliments and negs, I wouldn't suggest using either of them, they can be risky especially for a newbie. The only exception is that I think it's fine when you first …
/r/seduction03/01/11 11:22 PM
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I tried texting her with a line I saw in an earlier FR I really liked later that night ("So who was that cute guy you were flirting with at the bar earlier? He's way out of your league ;)") but didn't hear back. Oh well. I always text a girl with something sort of like this right after I meet her, but it doesn't mean she's not interested if she doesn't reply. I'd say only about 25% of the women reply to that same-night text. (If they do reply, they are really interested.) Follow it up with a nex…
/r/seduction03/01/11 11:11 PM
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Music and movies always come up on a first date, and there's always at least one I name she's never heard of/seen before. That's my standard go-to, if I think I need one. But I don't usually use this method for going back to my place. My method is more often: go to bar A, then after 1-2 hours I say "hey let's get out of here, finish your drink." I take her to bar B. After 1-2 hours, assuming things are looking good, I do the same thing, but when we get outside the bar I just say "we're going bac…
/r/seduction03/01/11 11:07 PM
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You just need more practice at talking to everyone. Carrying on conversations is something you have to learn with practice, there are no golden rules. There are lots of books out there on being a good conversationalist that could help you. Try learning how to entertain others and yourself through conversation before you start trying to apply PUA techniques.
/r/seduction03/01/11 10:57 PM
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Since the HB scale should be based on how often these women get hit on, I would also define it as relative to the place you're in. This is the scale I believe in. Based on this, I'd define HB8's as probably being approximately in the top 1-10% of women who frequent the venue/locale they are in. 9's as in the top 0.1-1%, and 10's as the top 0.1%. So if you hang out in a bar with 50 women in it, you'd see an average of 1-5 8's per night, one 9 every 2-20 nights, and one 10 every 20+ nights. This s…
/r/seduction03/01/11 10:54 PM
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Need more info on how the date went, what type of LMR you encountered, and how you "failed". I don't like a "come over to work on some music" pretense for a date for two reasons. 1, if the date went well and you hit LMR, you're still totally good for a second "real" date. 2, it telegraphs your intentions to get her to your place. I'm assuming date 1 went well since you got to the point of LMR (true LMR would be when both of you are naked, so I'm assuming it's something close to that). Assuming t…
/r/seduction03/01/11 10:47 PM
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I actually got good at talking to women (and random strangers in general) before I discovered PUA literature. I was in an LTR but realized I was getting bored with my circle of (mostly work) friends and wasn't having as much fun as I wanted when I went out, so I applied "talk to everyone" (advice I got from a buddy) over about a 2-year period. That got me good at meeting people, but the PUA techniques have made me much, much better at getting numbers and dates. Before that, I was somewhat enviou…
/r/seduction03/01/11 10:43 PM
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I've got a few "date circuits" that I like to use, esp for first dates. Most of my first dates will involve one of these. That said, the "perfected date" has much less to do with venue than with our chemistry. I use these spots because they have multiple options within walking distance of each other, I know the staff (and often patrons) at many of them, they have kino-friendly seating, and they are close to my place. a cool outside bar with a fire pit, and right around the corner is another cool…
/r/seduction03/01/11 10:34 PM
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You ended the text convo exactly the right way, by not responding. Since there's logistics involved, you should text her probably today or tomorrow with something simple like "hey there's this awesome [concert/party] here on Friday, you and [friend] should come and join us!" Set up the date in as few texts as possible, then just have a good time. She should be pretty much a guaranteed lay based on the day one and her reaction to your texts. Don't make any comments that make it sound like you thi…
/r/seduction03/01/11 10:26 PM
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OMG even right after I just wrote a post about overtexting, and in that story my buddy screwed things up by sending a girl he had already banged just 10 (reciprocated) texts over 2 days! AND after I gave you "don't text too much" in your "crash and burn" FR from a week ago?! Sigh... But since you posted this whole interaction, I'll break down all the things that you probably did wrong. I say "probably" because you didn't describe how the actual IRL encounter with her friends in tow went. Warning…
/r/seduction03/01/11 10:19 PM
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Sure, there's a little bit of spam, and sure, plenty of n00bs and bad advice occasionally gets upvoted, but AFAICT Seddit is a much higher-quality forum than the others I've been to in the past. Plenty of good advice, and not too much spam. I'll take it. One of the things I like about Seddit is that it's pretty clear it's helped a lot of people, who post about their successes after applying advice they got here. That's what keeps me here.
/r/seduction03/01/11 09:46 PM
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It really depends on the relationship with his buddy, but pretty much every guy I know would consider this a dick move.
/r/seduction31/12/10 11:42 PM
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If things go great on a date, but the girl pushes you away for a kiss, either things weren't as great as you thought, or she's crazy/got lots of hangups/neurotic/has a boyfriend or "complicated" situation/recently divorced/etc. Her excuse makes no sense - she went on a date with you, but now she says she won't even kiss you because kissing will lead to her eventually dumping you presumably after you become her boyfriend? That sounds crazytown or at best extremely naive/uptight to me. I would nex…
/r/seduction31/12/10 10:22 PM
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Hilarious, even before the end. "Brunettes are something. So are redheads and blondes... tall women, or short."
/r/seduction31/12/10 10:01 PM
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I was only slightly joking :) You need to completely cure yourself of this, even having the urge to tell women you like them will screw up your game.
/r/seduction31/12/10 09:57 PM
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Like I said, it depends on the buddy. But if the guy is a true friend, and you know he wouldn't appreciate you fucking this girl, doing so is a dick move IMO. Friendships >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some chick you barely know. I've even avoided hitting on friends' exes or even just their female friends if I know my friend wouldn't be totally OK with something happening. There's no reason to jeopardize a friendship over a girl, there are too many girls out there to do that.
/r/seduction31/12/10 09:50 PM
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don't take other guy's girls! if she's touched another guy in any way during the last month, she's his for a while! don't make any moves! This isn't a fake stupid rule, this is a rule that most true guy friends follow (at least in the US). You may think the rule itself is stupid, and shouldn't exist, but if your friends believe & follow it, why would you willingly violate it just for a little bit of poon?
/r/seduction31/12/10 09:34 PM
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Alpha != being a dick. Fucking a buddy's FWB is a huge violation of the guy code, IMO. Guess it depends on your buddy, but in my group of friends, even it was something totally casual, if you know your buddy is fucking girl A, she's strictly off limits. Among my friends it's never been violated (that I'm aware of), but if it were it would be a major drama. My friendships with guys are worth WAY more than having sex with a girl who is considered off limits by those guys.
/r/seduction31/12/10 09:31 PM
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Best bet is to search through the archives for OKCupid posts, it will be obvious who knows what they're talking about. There was a guy called okcspecialist a while back but haven't seen him in a while. You could also ask people who post comments on this post how experienced they are with OKC.
/r/seduction31/12/10 09:19 PM
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why are there lurker-haters in the first place? that's what gets me. Who cares? Seriously. The internet is full of people who spend hours every day on sites they "hate", posting trolly comments and being generally dicky. The ones on Seddit at least are way outnumbered and don't come out that often. Best approach is to not feed the troll.
/r/seduction31/12/10 09:19 PM
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When you go out by yourself, talk to literally everyone around you. It will get you in a good frame. Hopefully you can find a cool group that can serve as your "anchor" and social proof for when you do find a girl you're interested in. NYE is not the best first night to be out by yourself, but you should do fine.
/r/seduction31/12/10 09:09 PM
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I've had success in avoiding this by keeping dates very casual - never doing dinners/movies, often just going to each other's place for some drinks, and making sure we have sex every time we see each other. It probably depends on the age of the woman - late 20's / early 30's seem to respond to this better than younger girls. When it has come up, I say "I'm not looking for a girlfriend right now" and then that launches into a fairly long conversation that usually ends in her agreeing the status q…
/r/seduction31/12/10 09:07 PM
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My sample size is only maybe 4, but I've had horrible dates with women who are very recently divorced. They seemed distracted, overly willing to unload their problems (past or present), and just not that fun. It's really hard to keep them in a good frame, and possibly not even worth it. But anyway, you already know what you should have done - shut her down by saying "hey it's christmas on the beach, why don't we just have a good time?" This trainwreck should train you for next time, since there …
/r/seduction31/12/10 08:56 PM
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IMO, there are actually plenty of legitimate reasons for people not interested in PUA materials to hate PUA. if a guy brags to all his friends IRL that he's a PUA, chances are he is a douche. So if anyone in real life ever says "everyone I know who's into that stuff is a douche", they're probably right since the guys who are not douches and practice it rarely "come out" as PUA's. the weird terminology that the industry created & embraced is totally alien to people new to it. Just being alien is …
/r/seduction31/12/10 08:45 PM
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Not much to gain from this. The people I know who always do mass texts are the most boring ones. I always send personalized responses like "thanks Jen, you too!" Spend your very limited time on NYE talking to girls, not sending mass texts.
/r/seduction31/12/10 08:26 PM
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I never delete numbers. You never know if you'll run into her in a few months and things will be different, or you want to contact her for some non-dating purpose etc. The only reason I think is valid for deleting a number is if you are a chronic drunk dialer with no self control.
/r/seduction31/12/10 08:25 PM
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Only point I'd say is you may want to make sure that the commenters here that you listen to are experienced OKC/IM dudes who really know how to go from IM to a date. As far as I can tell there are only a handful of such guys around here (at best). If they're not, their opinion is probably worse than worthless.
/r/seduction31/12/10 08:18 PM
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Why are you wasting your time on this girl? I get wanting some hot action, but I can't spend energy on girls I'm not at least somewhat "romantically interested in". She also seems pretty disinterested in you. (Going over to a girl's place for drinks when you just met her, and then getting drunk enough you have to sleep on her floor is probably an attraction killer, BTW.) NYE is the best pickup night of the year. She is having a party and didn't invite you. Your best option, whether or not you wa…
/r/seduction31/12/10 08:12 PM
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Slap yourself in the face every time you get the urge.
/r/seduction31/12/10 08:06 PM
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Yes, do not overtext here. In general, never text ":(" to a guy you just met when he says he can't meet you out, that can be easily construed as needy since you are expressing that you're sad you can't see him again - just a few hours after you met him IRL for the first time! Something more like "NP, [day] also works for me", where [day] should be 2 or 3 days from today, would be better. From where you are, I would suggest something like waiting 1 day, then texting him something in the afternoon…
/r/seduction31/12/10 08:05 PM
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I see a lot of advocacy for the "oh you're blah blah, it will never work out between us". I don't use this on girls I just met because: I feel like saying "it will never work out" already telegraphs intentions of hooking up, and when I first meet a girl I never give off "interested in women for dating" vibe until it's really on; and it seems so obviously insincere (i.e. you actually seem more interested after saying it) that it doesn't seem like it is truly a disqualifier. This may count as more…
/r/seduction31/12/10 07:56 PM
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"Talk to Everyone" is not a waste of time, it's IMO the best way to develop skills that translate directly to pickup success. It also becomes fun, and will lead to meeting lots of interesting people and all sorts of other benefits. Try practicing that first with no outcome-oriented goal of getting numbers, etc.
/r/seduction31/12/10 07:39 PM
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Good FR, some great points in here. The only thing I think you could have improved upon was this text: "getting into anything fun tonight?." You texted her at 5pm the same day as you wanted to go out with her, and even though you thought you had a date locked down because you said you'd "reserve the night for her" (also not a recommended move), she did already have plans. Of course the plans worked out, but there's lots of ways they may not have. Your text was also more passive than most women r…
/r/seduction31/12/10 07:35 PM
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Picking a girl up is like giving her a gift for free, you are jumping through hoops to get her to go out with you. The only time I've ever picked up a girl for a date since losing my AFC-ness was when we went on a trip together to Dallas and I was driving and her place was on the way. I do like telling girls to come to my place and then we drive together from there, since that means we will definitely end the night back at my place. I also don't like picking them up because it reinforces old dat…
/r/seduction30/12/10 06:04 PM
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I'm pretty sure this is the most coherent/constructive thing you've ever posted on Seddit, but I'll bite. I agree that Mystery is not the best PUA ever. His videos are focused on vacuous drunk clubchicks that don't interest me that much. His emphasis on peacocking and negging has been detrimental to a lot of beginners. I actually find most "field" videos not helpful at all, most are focused on speed pickups or hot drunk women. The only one I've found helpful was "Sinn Exposed".
/r/seduction30/12/10 10:01 AM
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Well I am biased against 9-10's, so I don't actually try to pick them up very often. But it's pretty obvious if you spend any time with one that they require a completely different type of game than the girls who don't get hit on dozens of times a day, every day. I prefer to hang out with them, it's incredible social proof and dramatically improves my chances with other girls. The only 9-10's I've met without crazy bitch shields are the ones who rarely go out, and got hot after college. They don…
/r/seduction30/12/10 09:32 AM
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Because going out with me makes it all worth it, obviously :) That, and they really like going out. They're both actually pretty slutty, but they approach the guys they want to go home with. They have their pick of any guy in any place, pretty much. And they probably like the attention, even though it is annoying some times.
/r/seduction30/12/10 01:13 AM
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I didn't find this video particularly enlightening, but it really does help to know what super-hotties "go through" whenever they go out. A few weeks ago I was out with two girls who are incredibly hot and had everything on display - everywhere we went they were obviously the two hottest girls in the bar - and they literally had to beat guys off with a stick. Every time I went to the bathroom I'd come back and there would be at least a few guys trying to hit on them, and in a couple cases sittin…
/r/seduction30/12/10 12:55 AM
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Yeah, this is a guy who also picks girls up in his car for every date, takes them to elaborate dinners for first dates, opens car doors, runs in front of them to open doors, buys everything, gives them gifts, tells them he likes them, etc. It sucks because he surprisingly has got great game until he gets a girl's number, and then it's like an AFC all-star showcase. He even takes his ex-GF's out for "dates" when they are obviously just milking him. I constantly give him advice, but he thinks I'm …
/r/seduction30/12/10 12:46 AM
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You probably should just next her. NYE is the easiest day of the year to pick up.
/r/seduction30/12/10 12:39 AM
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In Jezebel's defense, Roosh is certainly a misogynistic a-hole, but he's also hilarious, a good writer, and knows how to pick up women. That Medellin video had me in stitches.
/r/seduction30/12/10 12:36 AM
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Don't try to get her out on NYE, it's a big social commitment that should be reserved for girls you've already slept with or have good social rapport with. You may want to post the actual text exchange for specific advice. In general the Seddit consensus will probably be: wait a few days (I'd say less than a week), then send her a single ask-out text like "recovered from NYE? you should come meet me at [bar] tomorrow at [8]", and then next her if she doesn't respond.
/r/seduction30/12/10 12:22 AM
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Knowing my buddy, I'm pretty sure he probably sent her multiple unreplied text messages as part of that salvo, which is a guaranteed attraction killer. I don't think I've ever sent 10 text messages to a girl I've just met in a two day span. I try to stick to more like 3 text messages max before our first date. Small talk over texting is so much more likely to kill you than help you.
/r/seduction30/12/10 12:20 AM
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I'm pretty much all bar/social scene game, so I can't give tips on day game etc. But there are several posts on Seddit with ideas like cooking classes, social sports leagues, malls/coffee shops/street game, etc. You definitely can do cold approaches on the street or similar places.
/r/seduction30/12/10 12:17 AM
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ha ha I don't have plans yet. Just looking for something to do. HORRIBLE line. Never seem indecisive, boring, or bored. This line achieved all three. You should have said "come meet me at [bar]!" Don't invite yourself out, make something happen. I also hate putting the ball in a girl's court to call you, because if attraction is not very strong, there's a very high chance of her not doing it even if she does somewhat like you. It's like giving your number to a girl you meet, even if she wants to…
/r/seduction29/12/10 11:44 PM
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You don't need to talk to them if you're a beginner, but you will get treated WAY better if you just say "hey what's your name" after they give you your drinks, and then just call them by their name. This is a good habit to get into with all service industry staff, there's only upside to it.
/r/seduction29/12/10 11:38 PM
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Find a way to meet more girls. There are many ways to achieve this. You don't have an abundance mentality and it's making you be an AFC and chase girls who are fucking with you.
/r/seduction29/12/10 11:36 PM
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Good luck man. You should go to bars more often, they are good social practice. Just treat it like a party. Talk to people, keep up your energy levels. Don't get too hammered around your target. When you go to order a drink, make sure you order it by name: "shot of Jameson" or "rolling rock" instead of "shot of whiskey" or "beer". Ask the bartender's name, and call them by name from then on. Pay at least your first drink in cash and leave a big tip on the first drink (30%-50% works well). Don't …
/r/seduction29/12/10 11:32 PM
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Be careful with making the moves on the neighbors, it's not quite as bad as a workplace relationship but things can get REAL awkward real fast. I actually got hardcore seduced by one of my neighbors this summer, we ended up having very good sex a couple times, but I stopped seeing her because she went slightly stalker and started parking next to me, would "coincidentally" walk by my place when I had female company, make weird comments that she saw a girl come over to my place, etc. I'm not sayin…
/r/seduction29/12/10 11:25 PM
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Do you like crazies? If so, keep doing what you're doing. If not, read more Seddit, get more girl practice, and NEXT the shit out of this girl.
/r/seduction29/12/10 11:20 PM
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Totally, it was difficult for me at first but now I totally love it and it's had lots of unanticipated benefits. I posted about some of them a little bit ago. I've gotten much better with my bartender/doorman game lately. I realized it last night when I went to a new (packed) bar for the third time in maybe three weeks, and got high fives and shout-outs from the doorman and the bartenders. It's awesome social proof and really easy to get, you just have to be friendlier to the staff than the othe…
/r/seduction29/12/10 11:09 PM
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Share! Well they're stories about my life, so no, but here is my suggestion for how to develop/remember your own personal list of stories. As for compliments, there are different schools of thought on this, but I avoid complimenting altogether usually until we've slept together unless it's a very deserved compliment that doesn't come across as "I like you".
/r/seduction29/12/10 11:03 PM
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You might want to add that this applies to Facebook chat and other text-based mediums. I'm a massive opponent of using any online means (FB, email, IM) to communicate with women you're interested in, so I guess my advice there would be "just don't do it". Your rule of thumb is solid.
/r/seduction29/12/10 11:00 PM
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I guess if you are not yet having sex with someone, you probably are less likely to overlook other incompatibilities, so I can see some truth to this. But mostly I think it's non-causal statistical hogwash. Of course, the statistics do support the hypothesis, but IMO that's probably more because a somewhat higher percentage of people who have sex "early" fall into the drunk/stupid/slutty/poor/irrational category and are therefore also worse at relationships.
/r/seduction29/12/10 10:55 PM
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Yeah I think you passed the semi-shit test. If she brings up other people, you just say "it's just you and me" and don't make a big deal about it. Then kino the hell out of her when you go out. As an aside, I strongly recommend against picking girls up for dates unless the logistics require it, it can be an attraction killer.
/r/seduction29/12/10 10:44 PM
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Be very careful with the overtexting. You haven't met her yet and you basically gave her free entertainment over text message. Even though it seems she was way into it, you run a serious risk of killing attraction by seeming needy/over-available. You should probably dramatically cut down the texting until you meet her in person, it will build more anticipation and make you seem more like the prize.
/r/seduction29/12/10 10:40 PM
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Having a wingwoman is AWESOME. Especially if she is hotter than the girls she brings you. I have a female friend who is super hot and very taken but loves winging for me when we go out, and she's awesome at it. From my experience, the most successful technique for a wing woman is: she either knows the types of girls you like, and "freelances", or you surreptitiously point out a target. at the places I go to, most girls are in groups of 2-3 people. By far the best configuration is your target wit…
/r/seduction29/12/10 10:34 PM
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I 100% agree, NYE is by far the easiest night of the year to pick up (closely followed by halloween in my city at least). Everyone should make sure they have at least one target by 11 at the latest, talk to her for a bit, and make sure you're next to her when the ball drops. Even the AFCest of AFC's can at least get a little cheap makeout action at midnight. I'm going to a big private swanky-swank party that should be heavily populated with wealthy, intelligent, semi-repressed hotties looking to…
/r/seduction29/12/10 10:22 PM
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If you're really smart, 99.9% of all people are dumber than you. Many of those people, despite their relative lack of intelligence and/or education, are fun, witty, hot women who are great in bed.
/r/seduction29/12/10 10:16 PM
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I'm going to be blunt here. People who say "don't adjust your conversation" are wrong and lack experience in talking to people who are poor/uneducated/ignorant etc. Since applying "talk to everyone" in my everyday life, I've talked to hundreds of people who have never even been outside of this city, let alone went to college or had a good family upbringing. Some of them are legitimately stupid, sure, but some of them are really smart, they just haven't had the same exposure to certain topics as …
/r/seduction29/12/10 10:14 PM
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I find fights really break my state too, even when (as always) they don't involve me. If I'm at a bar and a fight breaks out, I just move on to the next bar. I'm pretty sure this guy was just looking for a fight and it had nothing to do with your game or anything like that. If anything it's a sign you were doing something right because he saw you as a high-value target. I wouldn't change anything, except maybe switch bars next time. Oh yeah: and don't get into fights with strangers for any reaso…
/r/seduction29/12/10 10:05 PM
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I've taken to not kissing a girl at all on a date if I want to sleep with her. I still do lots of kino, and keep it kind of playful and a little bit mysterious. The theory is that by not releasing sexual tension via kissing, you build it up and it makes the girl more likely to want to go back to your place. Next time you take her out, do lots of kino, but keep the frame a little bit enigmatic. Go to a cheap bar, bounce to a second bar after about 1-2 hours, then after another 1-2 hours tell her …
/r/seduction29/12/10 10:01 PM
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Eh, well I've actually never gotten a "find me on facebook!", but I have definitely read some FR's on Seddit where college girls lead with Facebook even when they are apparently interested. I think some young'uns may suggest Facebook even when interested. It should still be treated like a shit test though.
/r/seduction29/12/10 09:57 PM
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Cool, probably a good plan. I have stopped #-closing girls I don't intend to ask out, but in this case I think it was a great tactic. I may give this type of double close a try some time. It seems like you run the risk of either giving off player vibe if girl B thinks you will also be asking out girl A, or giving off LJBF vibe if girl B thinks you got both numbers for friend purposes, but that uncertainty probably actually works to your advantage.
/r/seduction29/12/10 09:54 PM
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You're probably going to take some flak for over-scripting your dates, but I actually think having at least a standby set of questions/stories/topics is a good plan for guys who are not good at date conversations. I do it naturally; I have a whole set of topics I like to talk about with people I've just met (restaurants, travel, wine, vegas, family) and probably over 100 personal stories that are good for a first date. Watch out with the compliments though. IMO 5 compliments on a first date is w…
/r/seduction29/12/10 09:29 PM
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Great FR, thanks for posting. "Don’t worry, you’re giving me your number too" is one of the best lines I've read here in a while. I actually don't like simultaneously going after girls who are friends, but if you want to, that's an awesome way to do a double #-close.
/r/seduction29/12/10 09:24 PM
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If you have bad approach anxiety, you need to drop the PUA literature, stop thinking about groups of people as "sets", and just start talking to everyone. Seriously it seems like obvious advice, but try going out for a few months with no goals of picking up or getting numbers, just try to meet new people and have interesting conversations with them. That's how I got over it. Plus talking to everyone is really fun. Start with bartenders and doormen, taxi drivers, store clerks, etc.
/r/seduction29/12/10 09:17 PM
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If you're both going to stay in your LTR's, and you want to maintain the friendship, your best bet is to just act like nothing happened. Don't do stupid games like flirt with other guys just to make him jealous, that's just mean. I find it difficult to have long-lasting truly platonic friendships with girls, because at some point one of us makes sexual advances. The times I've made them and they haven't been reciprocated, the girls have continued to be my friend and been cool about it. Be that p…
/r/seduction29/12/10 09:11 PM
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That's when you laugh in her face and either tell her forget it, or tell her to give you her number.
/r/seduction29/12/10 09:00 PM
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Incredible work, you are the man. I agree with everything expressed here. The only ones that may be semi-controversial on Seddit are flirting over text/facebook (you may want to link to delightful_white's facebook guide for balance) and "you don't need new openers". But since I agree with the content, it gets my stamp of approval. Only thing I can think about adding would be an entry about what a good FR contains, as well as a more expanded glossary of abbreviations etc.
/r/seduction29/12/10 01:14 AM
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Don't friend girls you're interested in. Get their number. But if you are looking for tips on FB game, this post should help you.
/r/seduction29/12/10 01:05 AM
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If it has worked for you many times now, then it means it has failed for you many times as well. Why are you not still with these women? I am assuming you dated them and dumped them after it did not work out? That does not sound like success to me! :( Success = marriage or LTR? That's flawed thinking, even if it's coming from a married guy. Anyway, we obviously have different strategies, each of which we've tested and stand by. I legitimately want to go on at least one date with every girl I get…
/r/seduction29/12/10 12:57 AM
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Oh yeah, I 100% agree. A lot of the terms are silly. But everyone knows what they mean, and in most cases they are less verbose than the alternative.
/r/seduction29/12/10 12:47 AM
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Appreciate the shout-out. "Wrong" may be too strong a word, but I definitely believe waiting 4+ days is highly sub-optimal. If you've built a ton of attraction with a girl, and got her all excited at the prospect of seeing you again, you want to capitalize on that attraction. Waiting 4+ days is guaranteed to reduce the attraction because she's literally forgotten about you and what you talked about more than she would have if you met her on day 0, asked her out on day 1, and saw her on day 3.
/r/seduction28/12/10 10:34 PM
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When I text a girl, I don't ask her out ON THE FIRST TEXT (that's super clingy and will never work). I'm not saying your technique is wrong, since it obviously works for you, but your assumption that asking a girl out on the first text "will never work" is completely incorrect. That's all I do and it's worked out great. My method obviously differs from yours but has given me an almost zero flake rate.
/r/seduction28/12/10 10:29 PM
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Going after women already in relationships. Personal choice. For me, I don't do it, but it's mainly because I don't want to hang with women who think it's cool to cheat while in an exclusive relationship. Using pua lingo, most of which is military based and programs people to view women as enemies(targets). I only use the lingo when posting here. It's useful shorthand and everyone here understands it after reading a few posts. I don't think it programs people to view women as enemies; I actually…
/r/seduction28/12/10 10:23 PM
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More info please, what do you mean by run out of steam? I find I do best when I am motivated to have a good time with friends, not specifically to pick up. My best nights are always when I'm just having an awesome time with friends and happen to talk to a girl I'm attracted to.
/r/seduction28/12/10 10:13 PM
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I randomly found Seddit, and now only read this and post comments that hopefully help people. The only useful true "PUA material" I've seen in the past few months that have helped me were the DiCarlo Kino Escalation Ladder and the "Sinn Exposed" youtube video. Posting on Seddit has helped my game a little, but I still find I get in my best zone when I haven't been actually thinking about PUA stuff for a while.
/r/seduction28/12/10 10:12 PM
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Yeah, texting is an easy trap to fall into because even when it seems like the conversation is going awesome, you may be subconsciously killing her attraction by being too available and responding too quickly. It also gives the illusion of building attraction but it really doesn't. So use it extremely sparingly. I use it to set up dates and then try to avoid it. If a girl likes sending smalltalky texts, I respond but with LONG unpredictable delays in between (20 min to 4+ hours).
/r/seduction28/12/10 07:38 PM
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I personally rarely go out by myself, it's just not me - I like being with friends. I'm not terrified of going out alone, and I can do it, I just prefer to hang out with friends. BUT, one thing I do that is sort of a personal compromise is that I often set up plans with friends to meet at a bar at a specific time, and then I get there at least an hour early. I use that time to meet the bartenders and open random people at the bar. It's a mini-warmup and sometimes leads to numbers etc. You could …
/r/seduction28/12/10 07:34 PM
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I have a friend whose favorite opening line is "hey ladies I'm just going to hit on you for a while, ok?" It works for him because he owns it. If I'm really far along with a girl I met, and it's obvious that things are going bedroom-bound, I sometimes make overt sexual references like "i'm going to rip your panties off you tonight" but by that point I could be saying anything and she'd still be good to go. "I'm going to seduce you" could work if you did it as a cheesy jokey type of line, otherwi…
/r/seduction28/12/10 07:33 PM
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I stopped reading all PUA material for a while because I also found that it was screwing up my game. Once you have the core concepts down, you'll do a lot better if you just integrate those into your game, and then forget the literature.
/r/seduction28/12/10 07:17 PM
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It's totally natural for girls to do this if they want to date you. You have three options: talk her out of it, give in at least partially, or ditch her. I usually opt for ditching if the girl seems overly "boyfriend-centric" and clearly wants me to be her boyfriend. I'm also seeing a girl now that I talked out of the BF/exclusivity zone but ironically since then we've been doing a little more date-like stuff because I actually really like spending time with her.
/r/seduction28/12/10 07:13 PM
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You didn't crash and burn. She invoked the dreaded "bring friends along" shit test, and you didn't ace it but you're probably still alive. Just ask her out again and see what happens, make sure you do lots of kino. Make sure you are not texting her a whole lot, your first sentence makes it sound like you may be overtexting. I recommend not texting at all after setting up a date (assuming the date is in a couple of days).
/r/seduction28/12/10 07:06 PM
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You can definitely make it happen by the second or third date. Just keep escalating kino and don't get fazed by her. Prepare for some more shit tests though. Also beware the girl that talks on a first date about how much she loves sex and then acts all prudish when she gets home - she may be from crazytown.
/r/seduction27/12/10 10:11 PM
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Yes, cut her loose. There are lots of girls out there who will be interested in you and not play silly games like that.
/r/seduction27/12/10 10:05 PM
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The last time I sent flowers to a woman that I had not yet slept with, she immediately dumped me. Sending unsolicited gifts to women you have not yet slept with is a recipe for disaster in almost all circumstances.
/r/seduction27/12/10 10:04 PM
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That's the difference between speaking skills and social skills :)
/r/seduction26/12/10 06:13 PM
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Good stuff. It would be nice to compile some FAQ-like material into a post covering stuff that newbies ask all the time. Just basic stuff like "don't ever tell a girl you like her", "it's nearly impossible to get out of the friendzone after N months/years", "don't wait weeks/months after getting a girls number to ask her out", "she has a boyfriend, what should I do?", "what's a good opener?" And maybe a little Seddit-specific stuff, like what a good FR is, examples of good/bad questions to post.…
/r/seduction26/12/10 06:10 PM
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Several official terms for this. Loser or Sleaze are my favorite. "Why are you friends with him??" is another. PS: this guy obviously does NOT have "decent social skills".
/r/seduction26/12/10 05:54 PM
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Turns out he just moved here, so him and his friend were moving on, but got their numbers to hang out later(this isn't the number close :). I see very few FR's that include getting non-target numbers, but I love it! I constantly recommend this, it makes getting numbers from women you're interested easier, and you make new friends. I probably could have sealed the deal, but she was with her friend and drove, how do you get over that obstacle? Depends on the logistics. Sometimes it's not possible,…
/r/seduction26/12/10 04:14 PM
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Telling someone you're insulted because they told you Merry Christmas, on Christmas? NO GOOD. I know a couple girls who have given me shit for including them in mass texts before, but to me it always comes across as petty and needy. I just laugh and tell them fine, they're off my list.
/r/seduction26/12/10 03:56 PM
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Yes, definitely needed badly. Whoever compiles it, please make sure it includes a link to DiCarlo's Kino Escalation Ladder, that's probably been the most referred-to external link in the past couple months. Someone also should go through the "Top" page in Seddit and pull out the posts there that are helpful to newbies, there have been a bunch since Quazzy's list.
/r/seduction26/12/10 03:55 PM
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I know you were semi-joking, but I have a few stories from my life about people I call my "arch nemesis" and women love that for some reason. It probably invokes superhero associations.
/r/seduction26/12/10 03:51 PM
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This post is about what I did instead of using fake material.
/r/seduction26/12/10 03:42 PM
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Only slightly true. The same pros make lots of final tables, but that's because they're the ones who enter every tournament for the stakes/games they play. Pickup is similar; your results will be greatly improved if you do tons of approaches, bail early when there's a lack of mutual interest, and bring your A-game when there is mutual interest. "Luck" is definitely a factor in terms of the unknowns at play between when you spot a target and the time you've been able to assess mutual interest, bu…
/r/seduction23/12/10 10:30 PM
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There are two types of disqualifiers: play/teasing DQ's where the girl knows you are basically joking but still qualifies herself to you, and more sincere DQ's where the girl doesn't know what the hell is going on. The former are easy and are what most people here are talking about. I like using the latter with superhotties. I turn to my buddy and say in her earshot "dude she likes [blah thing that I don't like], you guys have a lot in common!" and then move away and talk to someone else before …
/r/seduction17/12/10 06:39 PM
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Incorrect, this type of line is solid gold with hired guns.
/r/seduction17/12/10 06:34 PM
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I'm 34 and most of the girls that are really into me have been around 25. Nobody thinks it's creepy.
/r/seduction17/12/10 06:33 PM
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"Yes. Yes I am."
/r/seduction17/12/10 06:28 PM
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You're doing it wrong. If you get them naked in bed, they will have sex with you that time or the next unless they're virgins. Read up on LMR and ASD. The good news is it gets a lot less frequent as they get older.
/r/seduction17/12/10 06:27 PM
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I like to call my ladies "girl" or "lady", but occasionally they don't like that. "Babe" is reserved for sexy time, and they all like that.
/r/seduction17/12/10 06:23 PM
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Even with the girls I date who know I'm seeing other people, I never say "I was on a date", I say "I was out with a friend". Part of it also is that I don't go on "dates", I just hang out with friends, some of whom are female and have access to my junk.
/r/seduction17/12/10 06:19 PM
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PUA techniques to me are just the framework around which you still have legitimate relationships. I treat conversations with "targets" the same way I do my friends. The open/close are cookie cutter, but once I get into a conversation with an awesome girl, I just talk to her. Don't overgame.
/r/seduction17/12/10 06:11 PM
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Cool. I've never had a bad reaction to that line, but I also only get numbers from girls who seem legitimately into me. Plus 21-24yo's be crazy :)
/r/seduction17/12/10 05:52 PM
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I thought there was some Japanese societal thing I was missing, but TofuTofu also questioned it so I'm not sure.
/r/seduction16/12/10 08:55 PM
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I get the feeling you're going to do just fine here :)
/r/seduction16/12/10 08:51 PM
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Lots of ways. If I can escalate to the point I am rubbing her leg or side while talking to her, she's good to go. There's lots of things you can do, I like ones that imply sexuality while not really being that overt. Whispering in her ear is a good one, and you can escalate that to the point that you can almost grab her hair and pull her in when you whisper. Leading her around from behind with your hands around her waist. If you have escalated far enough and there is any mention of her boobs, yo…
/r/seduction16/12/10 08:48 PM
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Love seeing all these new first-time FR's! I'm not much of a fan of PUA videos, but Sinn has a great one where he is hitting on a group of girls and a couple of them are a foot shorter than him. You should watch the whole thing, but at around 8:40 he does a move you can use on short girls. Height differences shouldn't stop you from kinoing in general though. Kicking myself about this one a bit but will probs see her again soon and try to leave off roughly where we started, if you think that is t…
/r/seduction16/12/10 07:59 PM
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Sorry what did you say? I was talking to coolersedditgirl, did you know she's a licensed skydiving instructor?!
/r/seduction16/12/10 07:47 PM
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I didn't say he should lie, but if a girl saw me talking to some other girl and texted me saying "are you hitting on that girl?" or similar, I would never just text back "yes", it pretty much guarantees that she'll get pissed off.
/r/seduction16/12/10 07:45 PM
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Nice! When has it been not well-received? I use that line mostly on girls that I established only mid-level attraction with, or in rare occasions where it seems like I could be getting their number for non-dating purposes, to hook them a little when I get their number. I use the "you are single and into guys, right?" line with very quick closes, or occasionally with a girl that is giving off heavy gay vibe or that I met at a gay bar.
/r/seduction16/12/10 06:08 PM
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Less is more. I used to try to carry on a text convo as long as possible in the hopes that she would say something I could use as an opportunity to ask her out. Stupid, losing game. Now, I try to keep exchanges between 2-4 texts, max. Amen! So many failure FR's on here were times the guy cratered because he went crazy with texting/IM'ing back and forth before even a first date. I love the "3rd favorite" line, that is gold.
/r/seduction16/12/10 06:02 PM
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I'd go one step further and recommend you no longer think in terms of failure or rejection. Opening lots of sets doesn't lead to rejection, it just leads to lots of interesting conversations with girls who you end up not being into, or who end up not being into you.
/r/seduction16/12/10 05:48 PM
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Good work, thanks for the first-time FR! I'm still pretty weak at the whole "play one off the other" game since I usually try to isolate immediately. I need to get out there and practice that more.
/r/seduction16/12/10 05:45 PM
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Great FR, lots of good stuff in here. Curious, why did you just say "yes" to the nanpa question?
/r/seduction16/12/10 05:41 PM
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Here is my method that has gotten me to an almost zero flake rate. Contacting too soon does not come off needy if you do it right; waiting days or more to contact a girl after a #-close is a big mistake, IMO.
/r/seduction16/12/10 05:28 PM
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What are you carrying your kids in that monstrosity? I'm going to go grab a drink. But that guy over there looks like he would hold your purse for you!
/r/seduction16/12/10 05:26 PM
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I may do that at some point. There's not much to it IMO, once you get out there and practice conversations with random people you will start getting better at it.
/r/seduction16/12/10 05:24 PM
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Welcome. Come meet me for drinks tomorrow at 8 at Star Bar!
/r/seduction16/12/10 02:16 AM
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Just because she didn't respond to a single text doesn't necessarily mean that she's not interested. Post your entire text history with her if you want an analysis. If this girl is a "7 at most", you shouldn't be negging her BTW. Read the seddit posts about negging. It's possible you turned her off by teasing her about wanting to see your dog. Don't tease girls about things they are really emotional about.
/r/seduction16/12/10 02:15 AM
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Wait a couple days, one day seems too needy. Next time you see her you have to ask for her number though.
/r/seduction16/12/10 02:12 AM
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Talk to everyone - if I had followed that advice when I was 20, my twenties would have been a lot more fun.
/r/seduction16/12/10 02:11 AM
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Yes, I always get her back to my place by the second date at the latest. If I don't try to get her back to my place on the first date, but I like her, I do end the date with a kiss but not before.
/r/seduction16/12/10 02:10 AM
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Wait you fuck every girl you go on a first date with? Why??
/r/seduction16/12/10 02:07 AM
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Neither of these guys have AA, but it's not because they're good looking. IMO AA is mostly due to fear of rejection and even very good looking people get it. The awkward one is just basically socially inept; he'll open anything that moves but usually within a few minutes they want to eject.
/r/seduction16/12/10 02:04 AM
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I am sure that there are great bootcamps out there, it's just the price point that I question. For the $1500 that the RSD bootcamp costs, for example, you could go out to cheap bars two nights a week for a year while posting FR's and getting advice from Seddit. I'd definitely like to hear some unbiased reviews from people who have been to bootcamps, but I would never spend that type of scrilla on one even if I was a total AFC virgin.
/r/seduction15/12/10 11:12 PM
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Not sure why anyone need a book on foreplay, you just get better with practice. What are you trying to learn/fix? There are a decent number of threads in r/sex that may help you.
/r/seduction15/12/10 10:37 PM
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Never done one, but I can't imagine they're worth it for the price. For the hundreds/thousands of dollars they charge, you're better off spending it on going out to bars and practicing firsthand with a wingman to share notes/learnings with.
/r/seduction15/12/10 10:28 PM
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From elsewhere on reddit: relevant.
/r/seduction15/12/10 10:14 PM
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Honestly though, if I was a fitness model, I'd probably be able to get laid with just going to the bar, smiling and saying "hi how are you". Maybe I'm overestimating such an ability. Yes you are. It obviously helps but actual game is much more important. I have two guy friends who pretty much every girl I know describes as OMG he's so hot!!! One is an awesome natural and gets unlimited girls, but the other is terrible at carrying on a conversation, acts weird/awkward around girls, and has terrib…
/r/seduction15/12/10 10:08 PM
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I agree that college game is different from "real-life" game. It's way easier to hook up in college. I was a complete unattractive AFC in college and still managed to hook up with more chicks in those four years than I did in the next 8. In college, you don't need to do cold approaches, since you meet so many people in different settings. If you're interesting, have cool friends, can tell funny stories, understand kino, decent looking, and are aggressively pursuing women you're after, you're goi…
/r/seduction15/12/10 10:02 PM
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I learned the core of my game by applying "talk to everyone" while I was in an LTR because I wanted to meet interesting people. It's great practice and has lots of benefits outside of pickup.
/r/seduction15/12/10 09:55 PM
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Good work, just keep practicing getting numbers. It gets really easy and natural after a short while.
/r/seduction15/12/10 09:48 PM
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You will almost never get asked why you're out alone if you are doing it right. If you do get asked, it doesn't matter what you say, just brush it off and change the subject shortly thereafter. Sit at the bar, make friends with the bartender and the people sitting around you, and then start opening girls. Protip: for people who have anxiety about going to bars by yourself, one thing you can do is the next time you arrange to meet some friends out, arrive really early, like an hour or more, and t…
/r/seduction15/12/10 09:46 PM
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I'm in the minimalist texting camp, so predictably I think your text thread is way too long and smalltalky. She's obviously VERY on the hook, so it would have been hard to mess anything up, but if the girl was not as interested it could have been a bit much. I always combine the opening question with the date statement, in this case something like "Finals going well or are you going to have to repeat senior year? BTW you and I are going out on Thursday. Thought maybe you should know :)" Also nev…
/r/seduction15/12/10 09:42 PM
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This is my method, and this is my success rate. I still have a long way to improve. The best thing you can do to improve your game is follow the "talk to everyone" advice. Being able to randomly talk to anyone in an interesting way is a massive prerequisite to being able to pick up a girl.
/r/seduction15/12/10 09:26 PM
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I never text a girl the day after we bang, I agree that it can come across as needy. I usually wait 2-4 days and then set up a date for the following day.
/r/seduction15/12/10 09:21 PM
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I'm not into NLP. I don't really get why you have to slip in these memorized double phrases when it's so easy to just make overt sexual comments/jokes that get a girl steamed up.
/r/seduction15/12/10 09:20 PM
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I used to be really unattractive - super skinny, terrible acne, bad hair. I fixed that a long time ago, hit the gym, and now am a good looking guy, but was still terrible at talking to women, mostly due to AA and general awkwardness. I bumbled my way into figuring out how to talk to girls, but not meet them. All of my LTR's were with girls I met through work or work friends. I tried to pick up girls in bars but was hopeless at it. The PUA techniques and especially applying "talk to everyone" hav…
/r/seduction15/12/10 09:18 PM
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Non-expert here. This question comes up every few days in r/sex, there seems to be a lot of people there who know what they're talking about. The basic advice is: go to a bar, find a girl/couple you're both interested in, then get her to do the approach, be candid about what you're both looking for, invite her/them to come talk with you, go back to your place. There are a bunch of cautionary tales, as well as tips I hadn't thought of like "pick one person to be the shot-caller".
/r/seduction14/12/10 10:25 PM
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This is OK if you're already in a very playful/close mode with her, but it's very easy to come off as childish/reactive/needy.
/r/seduction14/12/10 07:08 PM
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Avoid beta-ish terms like "if" (since it's really in your control) or "I hope". Unless there are literally a couple days until she heads back, I would try to get one more meet before she leaves.
/r/seduction14/12/10 07:07 PM
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Text her once and ask her over to your place before / during finals. If she says she can't, just say "too bad! well I'll see you next semester." Text her a max of once or twice over the break. I would send her one merry xmas type, and maybe one happy new year. Probably send her a photo of my awesome revelry on NYE. You don't want to seem needy or over-available, so even if she texts back, don't immediately respond to any of them, always be unpredictable. Remember you can't do much to greatly inc…
/r/seduction14/12/10 07:04 PM
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I leave. I go to the bathroom or grab myself a drink. When I come back, if she's still on the phone, I talk to other people until she's off the phone. I don't seem pissed or uncomfortable about it, just give off the vibe that my time is too valuable to sit and wait for her to talk on the phone. Depending on the girl, if she gets off the phone and comes over to where I am, I may lightly tease her like "hey just a second I have to go make a 20 minute call to a phone sex line." etc. It's pretty rar…
/r/seduction14/12/10 06:59 PM
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If you're new to pickup, I recommend staying away from hitting on service industry girls. It's too hard to tell real IOI's from just being "good at their job", and if you spend too much time gaming them it will throw off your ability to read "normal" girls. Ask for girls' numbers! And talk to them more to build attraction. If I happen to open a girl on a dancefloor, I'll always try to get her off the dancefloor within a few songs to talk to her. I would have done this with the lemon/lime girl wh…
/r/seduction14/12/10 06:55 PM
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Talk to Everyone. IMO, if you're at the beginner level where you're "not comfortable enough to go to a bar alone with the sole intention of meeting people", that's the only advice you should be reading and following. Forget about chasing women. Practice TTE for at least several months until you're confident enough to open anyone in any venue. Then move on to the PUA techniques. Oh yeah and another tip: at least initially, don't do anything with "the sole intention of meeting people". Start doing…
/r/seduction14/12/10 06:48 PM
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You're doing it wrong if they are like interviews. Read the first date advice posts here for how to avoid job interview dates, it's actually pretty easy.
/r/seduction14/12/10 06:39 PM
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Date venues don't pull off the night, you pull off the night. My first dates are almost always one bar, few drinks, leave to second bar, few drinks and some game like pool or skeeball, then either go to my place, or go our separate ways. Going places that have activities like pool, video games, etc, can be a useful crutch if you're not that great at sustaining a conversation for 2 hours. Make sure you read the kino escalation ladder and apply it from the minute the date starts. The main reason t…
/r/seduction14/12/10 06:38 PM
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Upvote for including a photo, something that is very rare around here. Now just prepare for the deluge of "hahaha you think THAT's a 7.5? Bwahahaha!" comments :)
/r/seduction14/12/10 06:31 PM
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I stick to places I actually enjoy. My game is highly geared around chill-out type bars where you can talk to someone for 10+ minutes without getting pushed around or drinks spilled on you. I don't like big thump-thump clubs, and my game (and personality) is not really suited to them. There is one club I like that has a big, quieter outdoor patio where I've gotten a few numbers but that's it. I've had pretty good success with SNL's across all my pickups, so that may be a separate thing to improv…
/r/seduction14/12/10 12:43 AM
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Read /r/RelationshipAdvice for a few minutes and you'll see lots of posts from guys who have given up all the power in their relationship, and what happens when they do that. There's a whole different dynamic in an LTR, so it's not "the game" IMO, but it's still important to keep boundaries etc.
/r/seduction14/12/10 12:04 AM
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The canned vs. non-canned opener debate has been hashed over many times, so I won't comment on that. But as for your guy friends getting pissed at you, I'll say this: part of it is quite possibly that you're doing something wrong if you're antagonizing them. However, after having gone through lots of major life changes (fitness/appearance/relationships/lifestyle/jobs/cities/countries/personality), I can attest that you do lose friends every time you go through a big change. I've lost friends tha…
/r/seduction13/12/10 10:22 PM
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Height is a lot more important than weight for girls. 5'10 is a totally fine height. If you want to look wider, do some weight training. Or wear layers. I knew a guy in college who got more ass than anyone I knew. He was maybe 5'4, 140. He was a master storyteller and a bit of a natural PUA and whenever girls would bring up his size he would just smile and say "the bed is the ultimate equalizer!"
/r/seduction13/12/10 07:02 PM
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Wow I haven't lost a phone number for years! Do you want to contact her? If so, use FB if you're friends with her, or ask a mutual friend (which will be fine since you previously had her contact info).
/r/seduction13/12/10 06:58 PM
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This is mostly for daygame I think most people didn't read this. I am a big advocate of direct "how's it going", "hi i'm cheddar", or "how's your night going", but don't think they are well-suited to day game, except if you are in close, non-moving physical proximity to someone like at a lunch place or at the counter of a store. Most people use daygame to refer to meeting people in places like sidewalks, malls, grocery stores, etc. I'm not much of a day gamer. But one line you can use just about…
/r/seduction13/12/10 06:55 PM
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Men don't cancel or flake, that's something women do.
/r/seduction13/12/10 06:47 PM
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I'm in the minority here in that I don't think "gaming your girlfriend" is a good practice, or keeps your skills sharp. You need to stick to a lot of the precedents you set early in the relationship, but dynamics of LTR's change a lot over time and certain of the PUA techniques become almost instantly irrelevant. You've also established full rapport, so talking to her ceases being good practice for future game. The best thing you can do to keep in good "game shape" is to always, always talk to e…
/r/seduction13/12/10 06:42 PM
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Need more detail on how you're crashing and burning. Are you asking for numbers and getting denied? Or are you just not going there? Honestly it sounds like you're being an idiot if your idea of "being too easy" is going on any dates or kissing a girl.
/r/seduction13/12/10 06:39 PM
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The topic came up a few times before that of it not being a date because I don't pay the full 100% If I were you, I'd shut this whole conversation topic down hard. It's a MAJOR shit test and she doesn't genuinely care about it as evidenced by wanting to sex you up on your second date. I'd tell her she's from the 1800's, that she'll grow old as one of those married ladies who goes on a ridiculous "date night" to watch a tyler perry movie once a month, that even the term date is silly, I'd be talk…
/r/seduction13/12/10 06:37 PM
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Thanks a lot for posting this level of detail, it will be of high interest to people who are looking to #-close off of OKC. For me it just reinforced why I'm not on OKC, I hate having IM conversations :)
/r/seduction13/12/10 06:27 PM
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Don't friend girls you're interested in. If you follow that advice, you won't have to worry about what photos you and your friends post of you on FB.
/r/seduction13/12/10 06:13 PM
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90% of the time women who are 20 years your senior don't give a shit about what you do, they're looking for young blood. So take her out and show her an awesome time. I would take her to a bar where we could play some pool or similar, then another bar, then my place. Keep it high energy and fun. she's a professional woman and I'm somewhat of a minimum wage bum You need a better self-image. Even if you are working a min wage job, you need to reframe what you do. "I'm a musician working to make en…
/r/seduction13/12/10 06:12 PM
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Just go for it; text her and say "hey I'm home for the holidays! come meet me at [blah] on [day] at 8!" I would make [day] today plus 2-3 days. Sure you should have kept her alive a little since thanksgiving, but you didn't, so you have to act like you saw her yesterday.
/r/seduction13/12/10 06:09 PM
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I've gotten into the habit - which I recommend - of walking right up to new neighbors as SOON as I see them for the first time and introducing myself. Usually by just saying "hi you're new here, I'm cheddar." Some people aren't very social, but others end up being very friendly. I've become good friends with some of my neighbors like that. I wouldn't recommend mentioning the site, there's no reason to if she is your neighbor.
/r/seduction12/12/10 11:05 PM
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I don't spend a lot of time following professional PUA's, and I would never spend a dime on any of them, but I like Sinn's videos. He seems really smart, more "normal" than some of the other guys, and can link back his techniques to good theories/explanations of why they work.
/r/seduction12/12/10 10:31 PM
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To me it's about being in the role of leader/protector and source of energy/fun.
/r/seduction12/12/10 10:16 PM
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I was also astounded by how well kino works, I was pretty much totally oblivious to how much women use it before I read PUA literature. One thing I did to improve my game that isn't covered in the literature very much is that I often get phone numbers of people I'm not picking up - random guys or couples who I want to hang out with, mostly. It makes you more comfortable with getting girls' numbers, and you make friends while doing it.
/r/seduction11/12/10 10:06 PM
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People constantly confuse being alpha and being a dick. First off, you have to be totally congruent, which means if you're acting in any way that isn't truly yourself, your game will be terrible. Develop your game around your real personality, not some persona that you are pretending to be. I'm really nice but I also joke and tease people a lot, which I've done all my life. I don't neg very much, but sometimes it's the best strategy with girls who have themselves on a pedestal. Nobody has ever c…
/r/seduction11/12/10 10:02 PM
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This is actually pretty good advice even for guys who don't have ED. Viagra is the best recreational drug out there IMO :)
/r/seduction11/12/10 09:57 PM
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Red Bull contains the B family vitamins, which definitely help with erections. The energy kick you get helps you go longer too, but you have to be careful with caffeine - for a lot of guys it can kill erections. I often have a can while I'm out, it definitely helps me with marathon sex sessions. Mangoes are supposed to have erectile benefits too, I think from the B or E vitamins but can't remember. Multi-vitamins are probably the best source for the vitamins that help with performance and are ea…
/r/seduction11/12/10 09:54 PM
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No. I should clarify that I do hold a girl's hand to lead her through a bar, etc, but if we're walking down a street, I don't hold her hand like I'm her boyfriend. And I deliberately don't make out with a girl in public if I want to sleep with her, it was covered in another thread here that I think that actually improves my chances of getting her back to my place for sexy times.
/r/seduction11/12/10 09:48 PM
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It's not just the date, it's kind of your whole frame around it. But for me, any sit-down dinner or movie type date is going to imply more seriousness than meeting at a dive bar for $2 beers. Also things like holding hands or other PDA's, or hanging out without having sex. I don't do any of those things unless I want the girl as my GF.
/r/seduction11/12/10 09:06 PM
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In the "community", both terms are used. I also prefer "of the group", but "other guy" is used pretty widely (google it).
/r/seduction11/12/10 08:59 PM
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If you haven't already slept with a girl, don't ask her out. Plan a night with your friends and invite her along. Tell her that she should come. That way it's noncommittal and friendly. No way man. Group dates can easily become a fast lane to friendsville and even if you're vibing with her it will take way longer to get her in the sack if you're doing group dates. I don't even let a girl meet any of my friends until we've slept together at least a few times.
/r/seduction11/12/10 08:56 PM
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I never leave more than about a week between contacts. It's usually more like 3 days after a date, or maybe 5-6 days if I'm freezing the girl out for bad behavior. Never call a girl at 4am if you haven't talked to her for a month unless you're sure she's good to go for the booty call.
/r/seduction11/12/10 08:54 PM
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I used to get pretty bad performance anxiety, totally got through it with lots of practice. If you search r/sex, there are TONS of posts about strategies to deal with it. I found being totally relaxed (esp giving each other massages), very well hydrated, and consuming a SMALL amount of alcohol and/or weed worked best for me.
/r/seduction11/12/10 08:44 PM
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I've found that if you do very casual drinks dates / booty calls, only see the girl maybe 2 times a week, have sex by the 2nd date, and never do movie or dinner dates, they understand where it's at and don't even bring up the GF thing. When I do date a girl that starts giving off heavy "I want to be your GF" vibe, I'll eject if I think it's a requirement for her (and I don't want her as my GF). It's always after sex though. I was seeing a girl recently who told me she wanted to be exclusive with…
/r/seduction11/12/10 08:38 PM
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Don't worry about it, that's a losing battle. Any mention of r/seduction outside of here gets flamed and downvoted to oblivion which is fine by me.
/r/seduction10/12/10 09:17 PM
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Peacocking and negging are two highly overrated techniques, thanks mostly to Mystery.
/r/seduction10/12/10 09:12 PM
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Insight 1: don't read or comment in AskReddit or RelationshipAdvice.
/r/seduction10/12/10 09:06 PM
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Thanks, hope it helps! BTW drinks are a much better first date than coffee. Forget about trying to be "non-committal", that's apologetic thinking.
/r/seduction10/12/10 08:52 PM
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Yes, a LOT of practice. I still have problems when I realize very early in a conversation that I really like a girl. My way around it is to try not to even think whether or not I like people I'm talking to, or use the tricks I described earlier. It works most of the time.
/r/seduction10/12/10 08:49 PM
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Refraining from masturbation will make you seek out women more. It's just not for me. If you really want to stick to your plan, my main advice would be: don't surf the internet when you're alone at home :)
/r/seduction10/12/10 08:41 PM
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This isn't a beginner problem, it happens at all levels when you meet a girl that really does it for you. The trick is to become 100% divorced from the outcome of the enounter; you have to not think "i need to get this girl's number!" - you have to treat it like you're talking to a stranger you don't really care about. I use little tricks when I'm talking to super hotties like pretending she has a husband, or is into girls, or is my sister. It really helps, if you can get yourself to believe it.
/r/seduction10/12/10 08:35 PM
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You're a girl in college. Getting guys is ridiculously easy. If you're going for a particular guy, just talk to him flirtatiously a couple times and then make an excuse to go to his dorm room and then make out with him.
/r/seduction10/12/10 08:32 PM
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I went back to this cute girl's place with her and a few of her friends. Had a few drinks, her friends left, and I thought it was on between us. Things were going good for a few minutes, we were just talking. Everything was fine, then she totally freaked out and started crying, calling me an asshole, told me to get the fuck out, and pulled a gun out of her purse and pointed it at me with her hand shaking like someone with Parkinsons. I left. Yeah that was crazy.
/r/seduction10/12/10 08:29 PM
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We started getting pretty promiscuous while in the bar, M3 model would suggest to wait until the seduction location. Is it better to let the tension build and make the move at the seduction location or can you get away with a bit of "heavy caressing"/making out before hand? Controversial topic. After a bit of banter here with intjpua and others, I've come to the conclusion that if you are going for a lay that night, you should escalate all the way up to but not including kissing until you're bac…
/r/seduction10/12/10 08:23 PM
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I took this opportunity to invent a game: try to find something dirty given the alphabetical range of a volume chosen at random. Inventing games is awesome, and yours is especially awesome. Great first FR, keep it up. People here use DHV and social proof interchangeably, which is OK since they are pretty similar concepts and they aren't really scientifically defined. I think DHV should refer to demonstrating that you have long-term social value: traits like protector, leader, wealthy, emotional,…
/r/seduction10/12/10 08:20 PM
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Nice work! "tournament girl, you seem like a real sweet girl. Would you like to go out on a date sometime?" Never use the term date when getting a girl's number. I'll sometimes say "we'll go out soon" or something like that, but the term date is too emotionally charged. Try using my method for getting a girl's number that I described here. And never apologize to a girl for anything unless you really fucked up. This is something that took me a long time to get over, I used to be a chronic apologi…
/r/seduction10/12/10 08:06 PM
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Yeah most of the advice here is for before you've bedded a girl. After that there are lots of things you can do that are bad ideas before that. Gosh, I even call some girls after I've slept with them, and I'm a "text-only" guy.
/r/seduction10/12/10 07:54 PM
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Right. And you see it in some of the "infield" videos where the PUA says something overt like "well you're going to meet your boyfriend so there's no point in me hitting on you". I never do that. It helps to minimize AA if you treat all conversations the same, whether they are with a target or not.
/r/seduction10/12/10 07:47 PM
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Right. Me only knowing people through work and those friends led me to having a homogeneous friend circle. Now it's a lot more heterogeneous.
/r/seduction10/12/10 07:46 PM
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Awesome! There are lots of ways that the PUA techniques can improve your life outside of just meeting girls.
/r/seduction10/12/10 07:45 PM
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Thanks a lot, appreciate it.
/r/seduction10/12/10 07:44 PM
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If you talk to enough people, you realize that you can have awesome conversations without ever bringing up the job interview questions. I usually ask people about their life story at some point, but it's not the "where do you live", it's more like "how did you get here". I mostly make smalltalk about the people in the bar, what they have done recently, crazy stories, travel, etc. It's easy to avoid the interview questions if you try.
/r/seduction10/12/10 07:43 PM
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It's a long post waiting to happen. Short version: went from being one of the few dorkiest kids in my huge high school, to being semi-OK in college, to a few LTR's post-college. The past few years (I'm now in my 30's) while I was in an LTR, got bored with how predictable my life had become, started practicing "talk to everyone", and it totally changed my life.
/r/seduction10/12/10 07:40 PM
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Used to be the polar opposite, which is why I feel motivated to help people here :)
/r/seduction10/12/10 01:22 AM
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The thing that most people overlook is that movies compress time, and interactions, in a deceivingly realistic way. In a given movie, even the lead character may have only 15 minutes or so of actual dialog in the entire film. Everything is so clean and polished, and it's nothing like how actual conversations go. I like watching George Clooney as a model of how to hold yourself and how to talk charismatically, but even with Clooney there's a huge difference between how he speaks in movies and how…
/r/seduction10/12/10 12:29 AM
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I may be in the minority, but I don't think you can learn much from pickup in the movies. You'll learn more in one night of sarging than you will from months of movie watching. Practice is the only way to improve. In fact, I think movies and TV are responsible for a lot of the AFC behaviors that naive guys think will get them girls, especially the "shower her with affection and gifts" and "the nicest guy gets the girl" lines of thinking.
/r/seduction09/12/10 11:39 PM
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If you practice talking to everyone for long enough, you'll find that your AA goes away with women, because you approach the conversation the same way as you do with any random stranger. I never have an idea of what I'm going to talk about. I have lots of stories from my life, but I don't use "routines" or canned material. It does help some beginners though.
/r/seduction09/12/10 10:50 PM
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Well sure, leaving your target deliberately is a "push" technique, but you do it without the goal of them following you. The most effective push of this kind I like is to step away in order to talk to other people, especially if they are hot women.
/r/seduction09/12/10 09:19 PM
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You can do this, and it sometimes works, but is a very passive technique that won't work very well. Proactive techniques work much better. One of the tests I use sometimes is to tell a target to come with me while I smoke a cigarette / grab a drink / whatever.
/r/seduction09/12/10 08:53 PM
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Perfectly handled. If you get the number of the friend you're not as interested in first, it can help your chances with the actual target if you can do the #-closes without giving off player vibe.
/r/seduction09/12/10 06:41 PM
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Good work. Don't get too hung up on DHV at parties; it's much more important to be the life of the party and treat everyone there like you've known them for years and they are awesome. Make your area the highest energy area in the whole party.
/r/seduction09/12/10 06:17 PM
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I'm also going to message the moderators requesting that the sidebar message be re-worded a little to hopefully increase the number of people who read the beginner materials before posting "hey how do I get this girl's number?"
/r/seduction09/12/10 06:12 PM
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You're going to do awesome in pickup, this is a great start for a guy who has never been on the singles scene, congrats. As for the weird speech, I would personally next a girl who launches into talking about her deep personal problems the night we meet. But to go with it, you just stay light and positive, tell her it's no big deal, then change the subject to something fun.
/r/seduction09/12/10 06:06 PM
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"You look like one of those girls who can't even recite Psalms 23!"
/r/seduction09/12/10 05:59 PM
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If you spent hours IM'ing her, and then asked her out for a movie first date, you haven't read nearly enough of Seddit. Go through ALL the material in the sidebar and ALL the top posts.
/r/seduction09/12/10 05:56 PM
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Your problem was waiting WAY too long to text her, and then texting her this showstopper text message: hey. hope your week is going well. Wanted to know if you still wanted to let me take you out sometime soon Read this post for my take on how to go from number to date. And read all the sidebar material, as well as the top posts.
/r/seduction09/12/10 05:49 PM
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Nice job, keep it up. What were the logistics of the dual #-close? Did they know they both gave you their number?
/r/seduction09/12/10 05:44 PM
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I'm fairly ignorant about Japanese culture, but why do you bounce back to love hotels instead of your apartment? If you've covered love hotels in a previous post, feel free to just point me in that direction :)
/r/seduction09/12/10 05:35 PM
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If she didn't reciprocate the kiss, you made the wrong decision. You should always be able to read when a girl is ready for the kiss, but sometimes you get a bad signal or the girl has issues. Even despite her cancelling your movie date, I would still give it one more shot but do a real non-movie date, like drinks or some activity where you can talk and kino properly. Give it some time though, at least until Monday before contacting her again. Good luck.
/r/seduction09/12/10 05:32 PM
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Sure, and just to clarify I did upvote your original post :) I was just cautioning people who liked what they saw that looking for advice from women is generally not a good idea.
/r/seduction08/12/10 11:35 PM
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You should just stop overthinking it and ask her out next time you see her.
/r/seduction08/12/10 11:34 PM
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I find very little appeal in it, for different reasons. I just found the whole "getting to know you online" thing incredibly annoying and insincere, and WAAAY too much work to get a single date. Playing the whole game about how to get a number/date without coming off creepy also felt like too much work. The girls I did actually meet IRL, for the most part, were attractive enough but really boring. Mostly it's that I feel like I can learn more IRL about a woman before I even talk to her than I ca…
/r/seduction08/12/10 11:33 PM
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Yes, she does; it's especially unusual to hear a girl talk about kino like she did. But my point is that while this girl's opinions support several PUA techniques, if they happened to blatantly disagree with them, that doesn't make PUA techniques any less valid.
/r/seduction08/12/10 11:19 PM
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Hey thanks for posting that, I haven't seen it before and it seems awesome, I have a lot of reading to do! His "checklist" in section 1.5 is very useful, I've never seen it put like that.
/r/seduction08/12/10 09:38 PM
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Daily multivitamin seem to have helped reduce my cold/flu incidence.
/r/seduction08/12/10 09:28 PM
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Being able to meet lots of cool people in a short time, dating cool women. I am still mostly an LTR guy, but I've dramatically raised my bar for who I would be exclusive with and haven't found her yet. I'm about to move to a new country so my goals there are to use my skills to make some awesome friends. It's a journey with no end for me, I just want to keep refining my skills. I still have at least 2 years until I'll be close to where I want to be in terms of my potential.
/r/seduction08/12/10 09:26 PM
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Hypnotica: good direct approach, I like asking girls to move to let me sit down, now that I think about it I actually use this as an opener pretty regularly. His "wanna have fun" secondary opener is not my style but seemed to work. Pretty much immediately, the girl on the right starts really playing with her hair, but the other girl is not. Not sure if he notices this, but I think he picks the girl on the right as the target because of her instant responsiveness. Identifying an immediate IOI and…
/r/seduction08/12/10 09:20 PM
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Ah the dreaded baby talker! I hate baby talk. I knew this girl once who would baby talk whenever talking to a man, about a man, or about animals or babies. It was terrible. Some guys don't mind it, but even if you like it I wouldn't mirror it. Men baby talking sound like, well, babies.
/r/seduction08/12/10 08:48 PM
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Bring a decent camera with you every time you are at a bar or party. Get people to take photos of you. Barge in on big groups of good-looking people and get them to be in photos with you.
/r/seduction08/12/10 08:46 PM
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I concur, when you read something like "I'm going to put my penis in you in under an hour" it sounds like it would be super creepy, but if you're in the right frame and have the girl there with you, you can say very outlandish things and just get a playful laugh.
/r/seduction08/12/10 08:45 PM
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Nice! Keep it up, it gets easier with practice!
/r/seduction08/12/10 08:42 PM
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The VAST majority of women will dispense bad advice when you ask them what it takes to successfully pick them up. This isn't deliberate, but after being in PU for a while you realize that so many motivators (on both sides) are sub-conscious and people don't even realize they are doing them or responding to them. I wouldn't recommend looking to females' comments for validation of the techniques. We know the techniques work because they've been thoroughly tested and practiced by the people who adv…
/r/seduction08/12/10 08:33 PM
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This is totally a good post for Seddit, and I've enjoyed following this storyline. me: OK well ill be in hometown starting this weekend, hit me up we'll make plans I avoid doing this, because it's like giving a girl your number - if she doesn't hit you up, you don't know if she's disinterested or she's just a normal flaky girl. You should always keep the power and the initiative, along the lines of "I'll be in hometown starting this weekend, I'll hit you up on [day]." Also avoid words like "well…
/r/seduction08/12/10 08:28 PM
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If it's common for people to live that far away, it shouldn't be that big a deal. You may also be able to meet girls who live in the city and want to go back to their place. Failing that, just #-close and go for a first date closer to your hood.
/r/seduction08/12/10 08:19 PM
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IMO the PUA techniques work on everyone, but different women respond differently to the rate of kino escalation. I try to make sure that I am getting reciprocation of kino as I escalate, if you can read the woman you'll know if you are going at an appropriate pace. As for going for the kiss - if I'm trying to bring the girl back to my place on the first date, I don't go for a kiss until we're back at my place; otherwise I never leave a first date (if I like the girl) without going for a kiss, at…
/r/seduction08/12/10 08:13 PM
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Start following this advice every day, and after a while, you will become a better conversationalist, no alcohol required.
/r/seduction08/12/10 08:11 PM
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Yeah I agree. I still like my original recommendation; but you could rephrase what you were planning on saying as "hey my class is ending so I won't be here very much anymore. let's meet up outside of work some time!"
/r/seduction08/12/10 08:09 PM
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I would say 3 months is WAY too long if you see/talk to the girl often. You can be friendzoned in just a few meetings if you act too passively. The perfect time is right after you meet her. EVERY time you see her you move further toward the friend zone.
/r/seduction08/12/10 07:57 PM
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Yeah it's really hard to tell with service industry types if they genuinely like you, or are just great at their job. But if she is constantly coming back to chat with you, she sounds at least somewhat interested. As with any girl, you should make your move as soon as possible. You'll get friendzoned if you're just always coming in for chit-chat, and you will have no hope. I would recommend the very next time you see her, you ask her for her number. I would use a variant of the #-close I describ…
/r/seduction08/12/10 01:54 AM
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Even if you have decent game, the longer you wait, the less the girl will be interested. Pretty much all women subconsciously respond positively to a guy who makes the move as soon as he sees what he wants (her), and respond negatively to a guy who waits days/weeks/months. If you've waited a few months, it may already be too late. Make a move now. If you need more convincing, just go back and read through all those "shit I've been friendzoned!" posts. 95% of them are from guys who knew a girl fo…
/r/seduction08/12/10 12:00 AM
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The fact that she has a boyfriend is a VERY relevant detail. I don't mess with girls with committed BF's because I don't want to hang with women who think it's fine to cheat on their BF. But you'll find plenty of info on here and elsewhere about how to deal with boyfriend situations. Google "boyfriend killers", there is a bunch of info out there.
/r/seduction07/12/10 09:30 PM
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Oh yeah a lot of people ignore way too long. I usually transition from the gatekeeper to my target within the first minute or so, sometimes a little longer if the gatekeeper is a guy with serious AMOG potential.
/r/seduction07/12/10 07:41 PM
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Weed, attention, a car ride under false pretenses to a guy she is banging? Honestly if I was hanging out with any girl and she said "hey my friend is jamming at his place want to go?", and then on the way there she reveals that she is banging him, I'd permanently write her off. That's a cardinal sin and I have zero tolerance for that shit.
/r/seduction07/12/10 07:30 PM
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We go to one or two chill bars, maybe play some pool or skeeball at the second bar, then go back to my place. Contrary to Seddit advice, I think comedy clubs are actually much better than movies because there is a lot more opportunity for kino, it's a lot brighter, and you spend most of the time laughing together, so I can see how it could work for you. But I don't take girls to anything that costs more than a few bucks until after we've slept together.
/r/seduction07/12/10 07:23 PM
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You're a girl, and over 18, right? This is ridiculously easy. Invite him to your place for dinner and a movie. Make out with his facial area, and then move to the bedroom location and move the action to his crotchal region.
/r/seduction07/12/10 07:18 PM
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This comment is very helpful and spot on! I never really thought about the pair dynamic you described but it's absolutely 100% true. When doing pickups in big sets of women, it's always best to figure out who the target's "pair partner" is and win her over first.
/r/seduction07/12/10 07:10 PM
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Dude forget this nonsense about not wanting to push your luck. You have already fucked her. You need to escalate fast or she will GTFO. Ask her out in a few days with a text that says "come meet me at [place] tomorrow at [8]!" Make sure it's a night date, and not coffee. I sent her a text on Sunday around 3 to just say I'd had a good time the previous night, thanks for inviting me out, and that I look forward to next time. She responded within 5-10 minutes with "Ditto!" I don't like this move, a…
/r/seduction07/12/10 07:00 PM
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I like the occasional toke, but I absolutely avoid smoking with girls I'm interested in unless we've already slept together. It completely destroys my game. one of my less tactful acquaintances asks me if "this is [my] girl." i shake my head. If this question was in her earshot (or the earshot of any other girl), never say no. Say something like "yep, I just bought her at the slave auction!" That said, this girl sounds like a dirty skank who is using you, NEXT.
/r/seduction07/12/10 06:49 PM
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If you're good at talking to random strangers, but not good looking woman strangers, you are becoming too attached to outcomes (i.e. attracting her / getting her number / kissing her). You need to legitimately make that not your goal when you talk to hotties until you get comfortable talking to them. Just make your goal having a pleasant/interesting conversation, just like you do with normal strangers. Keep practicing.
/r/seduction07/12/10 06:43 PM
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Read more of Seddit. IM'ing/texting a girl in long conversations like this does not get you out of the friendzone, it puts you INTO it. Even if she is talking about sex. If I were you, I'd heavily cool it off on communication / seeing her for a couple days, almost a total freezeout. When you next see her, you should not talk about the conversation, if she brings it up, just laugh it off. Be aloof, have a time constraint that you have to get out of there, whatever. If you try to come out swinging…
/r/seduction07/12/10 06:40 PM
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Is she Vietnamese? Are you sure she is actually a virgin? I was told a while back from a friend from Vietnam that it's common there for girls to lie about their virginity for whatever reason. If she is a virgin, I'd personally next her. I avoid de-flowering women that I don't want an LTR with, it's just a personal preference.
/r/seduction07/12/10 06:34 PM
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There's not quite enough information here, but I think you are in serious danger of being in the friendzone. If you were applying good kino and she fell asleep, she is either completely uninterested (because it didn't get any adrenaline going), or she was faking it to shut you down. The "resting her head on your chest" move is a classic friend move. When a girl does things like snuggles up to you and uses you as a head rest, that's not her escalating kino, that's her seeing you as a provider of …
/r/seduction07/12/10 06:23 PM
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Just ask her out via an email. This is one of the rare cases where the "group thing" may be a better option, since it sounds like you built zero attraction, and it's possible she has a boyfriend. I'd send a one-liner along the lines of "hey me and some friends are going to [blah] on friday night, you should come! what's your phone number?"
/r/seduction07/12/10 06:11 PM
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Just text her with the old "hey you should come meet me at [place] tomorrow at [time]!"
/r/seduction07/12/10 06:07 PM
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My method is covered here.
/r/seduction07/12/10 06:05 PM
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It sounds like you have already texted her too much. I'd recommend that you stop beating around the bush and just ask her out.
/r/seduction07/12/10 12:02 AM
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There was a pretty thorough post about FB game a couple weeks ago. I'm in the anti-Facebook camp, but it's pretty unanimously agreed on Seddit that "FB-closing" is a losing move.
/r/seduction06/12/10 11:55 PM
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Aussies definitely have the down-to-earth thing going for them, and are fitter overall. The women I've met there have been very open to being talked to, more so than American women. Maybe I've been conditioned by living in the US for so long, but it's more the lack of liberal arts education and lower ambition that I've found less appealing than US women. My sample size is pretty small though, here's hoping to being pleasantly surprised :)
/r/seduction06/12/10 11:49 PM
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I wouldn't dwell on the rejection thing with her. Your best bet is to probably play it off like the job situation was totally unimportant and you're not about that, you're about having a good time outside of work.
/r/seduction06/12/10 11:46 PM
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You're probably OK. Just remember that, especially in the very early stages, women seem to be highly motivated by the desire to figure out how interested you are - that's kind of like their version of "the hunt" - which IMO is why women's attraction can be killed so rapidly if you just come out and tell them your feelings about them. So use compliments sparingly, at least initially.
/r/seduction06/12/10 11:38 PM
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Yeah, there is some of that, but it was much worse under Bush. I have spent enough time in Australia to not give off the "annoying Yank" vibe. I think I actually prefer American women - they seem to be a little bit better-educated/intellectual and promiscuous than Aussies - but my game was so weak the last times I was in Australia that I'm optimistic I can find women who are up my alley.
/r/seduction06/12/10 11:34 PM
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I think you're overstressing the importance of the first date venue. Where/what you do on a first date does not convince the girl to like you, you do. My first dates are almost always just drinks at a low-key bar and they usually go well. If you want something more creative, going to a museum or art gallery could be a good unusual one. Don't forget this post from the beginner materials.
/r/seduction06/12/10 11:27 PM
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I've interviewed lots of people for lots of positions, including marketing and admin-type positions where the majority of applicants are hot women. It's really hard to make something happen with them without seeming creepy. I honestly have never tried it because it seems unprofessional and unlikely to work. The only angle I could think would work is if you interview someone you really like, and open or lead with small talk that gives you an opportunistic opening. Like she mentions live music and…
/r/seduction06/12/10 11:24 PM
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Australia, either Sydney or Melbourne depending on which I like more. I got an offer with a company down there and am going to do a little scouting before I choose. I've been to both many times for business and think I prefer Melbourne but it's been quite a while since I've been down there.
/r/seduction06/12/10 11:10 PM
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I wish! I'm moving abroad, Yelp ain't there yet :)
/r/seduction06/12/10 10:45 PM
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So I've done this a few times since the threads on Seddit about cooking together (thanks, Seddit, great advice of course). I stick to meals that are quick to prepare. Usually a main and 1-2 sides, where the main is a one-pot dish. I get her to wash/slice veggies and similar prep while I am at another station, doing meat prep, etc. Once the stuff is on the stove, I stir etc while getting her to set up for the meal. Ideally I get the entree going before she's done with the veggies, so I can throw …
/r/seduction06/12/10 10:32 PM
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If it's just the night I've met the girl, I try to avoid direct compliments. I stick to things more like "I like interesting girls, but there aren't any in this bar." "What about me?!" "Too early to tell."
/r/seduction06/12/10 10:27 PM
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If you're meeting a woman at an industry function, you should be building enough attraction and showing enough kino that she knows you are interested. Don't ask her out on a professional pretense, just ask her out. Do a night coffee/drink instead of a day date.
/r/seduction06/12/10 07:50 PM
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Yeah, Atlas Shrugged and Lolita will help you hone your seduction skills. Hahahaha.
/r/seduction06/12/10 07:44 PM
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It's cool to think that you're superior to people around you, if you actually are people will be fine with it and won't even notice. If people tell you that they think you feel superior to people around you, something about you is incongruent.
/r/seduction06/12/10 07:36 PM
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I have a policy that when I legitimately like a girl, I'll be 100% honest with her about anything, and in general I try to lead a life that is jumbotron-worthy. If prostitution was more socially accepted, I probably would have given it a shot already back in my desperate days. Nowadays, it would be a total waste of money for me, it's much cheaper to meet non-hooker women and take them home.
/r/seduction06/12/10 07:32 PM
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me: You doing anything tonight This is the only part of the FR that I think you didn't do well. In the very early stages of attraction with a girl, i.e. before you've slept with her, it's easy to lose attraction based on being too available or seeming too boring. Asking a girl out for the same night you text her, especially if it's a day later than the last time you saw her, is not a good move because it risks both seeming too available and not having much going on. A better response would have …
/r/seduction06/12/10 07:24 PM
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I guess this is an odd one. Since becoming more social and better with women, I've become much less materialistic. I care much less about acquiring wealth and I've greatly reduced my cost of living so that I can spend more money on experiences like big trips etc. It's actually also made me care less about work as a side effect; I try to work less so I can spend more time in social settings.
/r/seduction06/12/10 07:15 PM
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Just be careful trying to emulate characters from movies, in any setting. I can't name a movie that will actually help you improve your PUA skills. Watching less movies/TV is probably more beneficial :) Life isn't scripted.
/r/seduction06/12/10 07:10 PM
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Awesome man, keep it up. Getting past the "deer-in-the-headlights" reaction will come easily with just a little more practice.
/r/seduction06/12/10 07:05 PM
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The next level of game is not about $$$, trust me. There are many, many things that you can do right that elevate your perceived value that cost no money. Of course money helps with ladies but you can do fine without it.
/r/seduction06/12/10 07:00 PM
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Very similar thing happened with a few of my friends. They never came out and said it to me, but I could tell from their backhanded compliments that they were basically jealous that I was suddenly getting lots of tail. I wouldn't worry about it, find better friends. Things like this make you realize who your real friends are. One of my best friends was jealous at first, but now he is picking up his game and enjoying life more too.
/r/seduction06/12/10 06:57 PM
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My goal is to enjoy life more. Meeting lots more people and women makes my life more interesting. I still hold out a faint hope that there are women out there who I could spend the rest of my life with, but based on my past relationships I think it is unlikely I'll find one. I don't have a "settle down" goal and I don't want kids so I haven't self-imposed a timeline or relationship goals.
/r/seduction06/12/10 06:41 PM
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I've managed to train my women to not ask silly favors of me. But you have to figure out a method that's congruent with your personality. For me, the first time they do it, I basically laugh in their face and agree with them in a sarcastic way. "Yeah I'm going to run on an errand to delivery you a cupcake." And really laugh it up and then change the subject. They don't ask again. I've found laughing at a girl in a lighthearted but sincere way is an effective way to stop lots of behavior.
/r/seduction06/12/10 06:33 PM
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I never do this. It may be more necessary if you are doing very fast pickups, or give off big player vibe, but for me, I get the number as part of me saying bye. I do think changing my #-close method to not just be "hey give me your number" has helped the close not feel like a pickup.
/r/seduction06/12/10 06:08 PM
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You're at the point now where you should stop the playful banter texts and just ask her out. I think she's probably interested as long as you didn't mess it up with the drunk texts.
/r/seduction06/12/10 06:00 PM
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He's an LTR guy, but I've seen him do a couple one-night hookups.
/r/seduction06/12/10 05:52 PM
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Dude that's a tough one. One of my best friends is mostly deaf and has the same issues you face. He has done pretty well with the women but it's been almost all social circle game. It's really hard for him to meet random chicks in a bar and attract them.
/r/seduction04/12/10 07:49 PM
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Read these.
/r/seduction03/12/10 11:56 PM
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Where are you from, and where do you live? I'm starting to get a vibe that you may live in a country with different social norms than the US. The advice from the last thread you posted about this girl sort of alluded to this, but the girl didn't lose interest in you romantically. You were in the friendzone from almost day 1, but you assumed you were dating - so she lost interest in you as a friend either because she realized you thought there was something more there, or because she found a guy …
/r/seduction03/12/10 11:44 PM
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I know a guy with the same trait. He's 23, looks like he's 17 at best, but does well with the women. When they say he looks young, he just laughs it off. I do think it is a bit of a handicap with older women. Make sure you are wearing clothes/shoes and have a haircut that looks mature. But mostly just own it. When girls say you look young, laugh it off, or say "are you asking to touch my manly baby face?" or similar comeback. If you can perfect a confident comeback to the "you're young" thing it…
/r/seduction03/12/10 11:04 PM
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I really try to avoid situations where I'm sitting across the table from someone, especially on a date. Leaning in and tapping the other person's forearm or touching their hands is your only option. If you must sit at a table, try to engineer it so you sit next to or at 90 degrees to her. If you have to be across the table, try to engineer a change of setting (go to the bar, bounce to somewhere else) that's more kino-friendly.
/r/seduction03/12/10 09:42 PM
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Congrats! Don't forget to go for kino, it's very important, and there is almost no setting where kino is impossible or inappropriate. If you must do dinner, try to do it at a casual place where you can sit perpendicular to each other, or on couches etc; sitting across a formal table is one place where kino can be very awkward.
/r/seduction03/12/10 09:38 PM
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I sang with a decent band for a while and have a bunch of friends who are musicians. The good news is, a lot of the time girls will THROW themselves at you. There's something about band members to women, you don't even really need game. The bad news is, the girls who throw themselves at you tend to be band whores who are not that interesting. Some of them are cool, some verge on creepy. But there will be really cool women who find it hot that you just played your set. For some reason, the cooler…
/r/seduction03/12/10 05:12 PM
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Yeah, ask girls out the next day, but not for for that same day, and wait until later in the day to text. You're probably still fine though, it seems like it went well.
/r/seduction03/12/10 03:19 PM
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Don't worry about it, just ask next time. Once you get in the habit of getting girls' numbers it becomes easy.
/r/seduction03/12/10 03:16 PM
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Nice FR. Two things you could improve on. here are some shots girls and promotional girls there too, which I consider to be waaay out of my league considering I'm just recently single and these will have every dickhead in here all over them tonight. So I don't even bother entertaining any thoughts about them. There is no league. All girls are in play for you, even hot promo models. You have a big advantage over most guys just from reading the basic Seddit material and being well-spoken. She asks…
/r/seduction03/12/10 03:13 PM
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I personally disagree with this. There was a thread a while back on smileys and punctuation in texts that somewhat touched on it. I use exclamations in almost all my texts to convey energy / enthusiasm. You need to make sure you are somewhat mirroring text style, but most girls I text use exclamations a lot too. It's a question of personal style.
/r/seduction03/12/10 03:02 PM
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Your opener is not good because it involves a 12-year-old and implies that you don't know how to say no to a 12-year-old. You don't want a girl's first opinion of you to involve a potential encounter with a 12-year-old girl. If it was about a 18-year-old, maybe it would be a little more acceptable, but overall I think it's got too much creepy potential.
/r/seduction02/12/10 11:35 PM
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Next morning she texted me apologizing about what happened (huh?) - talked for a bit but she obviously still felt really guilty about it. Asked her to lunch, she said she was busy studying (right). Looking back, I shouldn't have pushed a meet so soon. Definitely. In general I think it's a bad idea to hang out with a girl the day after you met her. Anyway, she sounds like she's an emotional wreck, I try to avoid girls who are still messed up from a recent breakup.
/r/seduction02/12/10 08:01 PM
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I used to do the occasional drunk dial / drunk text. I trained myself not to do it, just by reinforcing in my mind that it was not a good thing to do. You could also turn off your phone after a few drinks, or put a password on your phone to remind your drunk self to just not do it.
/r/seduction02/12/10 07:55 PM
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TIL what a maid cafe is. "I want to go to there."
/r/seduction02/12/10 07:53 PM
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Texts are easily misconstrued. I don't like that text, she probably took it seriously. Send her another maint text in a week but make sure it's a good one. I would maybe send one like "how's your break been? you'll never believe what happened to me yesterday! great story for when we're back at school." (Obviously you need a real story behind this)
/r/seduction02/12/10 07:46 PM
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DiCarlo Kino Escalation Ladder.
/r/seduction02/12/10 07:44 PM
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When she says something you don't agree with, say "get out of here" or similar and push her on the shoulder. Slap her arm or leg when she says something funny / weird. Touch / hit her with the back of your hand when you're making a point. If you see something cool while driving, tap her leg or arm repeatedly while saying "hey look over there".
/r/seduction02/12/10 07:37 PM
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Do not ask her which day works. Here's what I do. Respond with a single text that says "Oh that's too bad! I'll text you on Sunday." Do not text her again until Sunday. Then on Sunday, text her with something like "how's your week looking? you should come meet for drinks at [bar] on Tuesday at [8]!" I usually do ask-outs with 1 day notice, but after a cancellation I'll do 2 if it seems like she has a busy schedule.
/r/seduction02/12/10 07:34 PM
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Great post. I agree that doing little things like picking up trash, being nice to other people in front of her, dramatically can raise her perception of you. In an interview, Sinn said that he used to get girls perceiving major player vibe from him and get turned off. Then he started slipping in mentions of his "ex-fiancee" and it worked 100% of the time to change the girls' perceptions. I'm not sure I like his tactic, but he knows a lot more about pickup than I do.
/r/seduction02/12/10 07:31 PM
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Good work on talking to everyone in the group. One protip: when I open mixed sets (say 2 guys 2 girls), I always introduce myself to the guys first and ignore the women until the guys are comfortable with me. Have actually ended up making some cool guy friends that way too.
/r/seduction02/12/10 07:24 PM
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I've been in a few relationships of 2+ years. While I was a supplicating AFC for the first couple, I have really improved in my LTR management. Here are my tips. be prepared to live with the precedents you set as early as the first date. One of my LTR's made at least as much money as I did, but we got off on a foot where I paid for everything on our initial dates. That expectation carried through for the next 2 years, even on big vacations etc. In another LTR, she hated football, which I love. S…
/r/seduction02/12/10 07:21 PM
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7 dates in one month off of okcupid is pretty impressive compared to the stuff I've read from other guys, good work! How do you move from the initial message to the number/date? I probably shouldn't have talked about pot and ethenogenics. Yeah I try to be careful with charged topics on initial dates. Any talk about drugs (or politics or religion) can trigger a big negative emotional reaction. I have a few stories about drugs, not involving me, that I use to gauge a girl's attitude toward drugs w…
/r/seduction02/12/10 07:09 PM
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Nice FR, thanks for contributing!
/r/seduction02/12/10 07:00 PM
1

Here's my method.
/r/seduction02/12/10 06:57 PM
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Don't be aloof, girls don't like it. You don't want to be 100% available to them, but you don't want it to get to the point where they are telling you that you're playing hard to get. BUT it is a heavy IOI that she is saying that to you, it's just also a frustrated IOI. And no, she is not really kidding about it. Just go for it, ask her out again, she'll be good to go for sure.
/r/seduction02/12/10 06:54 PM
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Openers are pretty irrelevant, compared to the ability to sustain a conversation, as you have seen. Becoming a good conversationalist is tough and requires lots of practice. One "fake it until you make it" tip is to keep a list of questions in your mind that you can ask when there's a lull in conversation. Like "so you guys from here", "seen any good movies lately", whatever as long as they keep the conversation going. Then make sure you listen and try to key off things the others are saying whe…
/r/seduction02/12/10 06:51 PM
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It's been years since I've taken a Myers-Briggs, but I think a big part of my transition is that I've gone from 99% "I" to maybe 50/50 or less. I may even be an ENTJ now. I still centrally feel like an "I", but I've become socially extroverted. Has made a huge difference for meeting people and making new friends.
/r/seduction02/12/10 06:46 PM
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Don't worry about it, you don't need to get responses to every text. I would wait 1-2 weeks and then send another maint text. Have you been on any dates with this girl? If not, you need to be very careful with the content and quality of your texts so that you don't seem needy or weird. What exactly did you text her about visiting you?
/r/seduction02/12/10 06:36 PM
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5, 6, and 7 are pretty much garbage, IMO. Especially 5. Showing enthusiasm for genuinely awesome things is a very attractive trait. The text of the article for number 5 made me think it was mostly talking about not being impressed with other guys, but a lot of the stuff in the article felt like it was backed by some sort of inferiority complex about other guys.
/r/seduction02/12/10 06:34 PM
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read up on the kino escalation ladder, and IOI's. you make it that way, mostly through escalating kino and being awesome. kino kino kino. And try to get her talking more than you are. I wear jeans and a t-shirt to all my dates, just wear something that is you. Obviously casual since it's a coffee shop. My other advice is: avoid the "job interview" date! Focus on questions about her ambitions, passions, family, and experiences, rather than asking her fact-based questions about work, etc.
/r/seduction02/12/10 06:28 PM
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When I get that from a girl, she either legitimately has to go, or she is hinting that I haven't escalated fast enough. I usually make a play to get her to my bedroom. Even when she actually does has to wake up early or something like that, it often works.
/r/seduction02/12/10 06:25 PM
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She wouldn't talk much if she was with me :)
/r/seduction01/12/10 11:46 PM
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Am I reading this right: she told you that you could stay the night, and then you bailed? That's a big mistake, you should have gone for it right then. Based on where you are, I'd wait maybe 2 days max, then ask her out to drinks or similar for the following day. My standard method should work fine.
/r/seduction01/12/10 11:44 PM
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You're fine, she's interested.
/r/seduction01/12/10 10:34 PM
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Nope, that's fine, go for it. Sometimes if I've been a little out of touch I do a text with something like "hey how's your week going? you should come out to [blah] tomorrow night!"
/r/seduction01/12/10 10:30 PM
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Show her this post. Just kidding. Just keep it light and playful, tease her, act like she's your little sister.
/r/seduction01/12/10 10:04 PM
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No, you've texted her already, so texting her again is totally fine. Get some rest before you see her :)
/r/seduction01/12/10 10:00 PM
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I talked to this girl briefly on MySpace Wait, what? People still use MySpace?? I didn't ask for her number, but instead gave her mine: "Okay, my number is xxx-xxx-xxxx, call me in an hour". You should always get her number. Girls don't call if you give them your number. It's not really a shit test, she is telling you to call her. So call her.
/r/seduction01/12/10 09:58 PM
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Heh, I was thinking the same thing. Let's not forget that he also talks like Bobcat Goldthwait :) But to each his own. My friends give me endless streams of shit for thinking that Kim Kardashian is the most attractive woman alive.
/r/seduction01/12/10 09:56 PM
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Read the Kino Escalation Ladder and the videos. Remember that kino is critical to attracting women, it's IMO the most important part of building attraction.
/r/seduction01/12/10 09:50 PM
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Awesome clip.
/r/seduction01/12/10 09:42 PM
1

would you want to go get coffee sometime?" Don't #-close like this, it tips your hand too overtly. I would either just directly ask for her number, or use my method of #-closing (bullet point 2).
/r/seduction01/12/10 09:38 PM
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Just ask her out. Stop texting banter back and forth.
/r/seduction01/12/10 09:34 PM
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This is a pic of me and my friends from last weekend. Ha well kidding aside, I usually go out in just jeans and a t-shirt. Jacket or sweatshirt if it's colder. If I'm going to a slightly fancier place, I'll wear a dark fitted button-down. Basically I look like the average joe, but it works fine for me. I have found that I tend to have better results when I wear bright yellow or red shirts, so I've started wearing those more often.
/r/seduction01/12/10 09:33 PM
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You're not having sex with them early enough. You should definitely be having sex by the third date.
/r/seduction01/12/10 09:27 PM
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We exchanged a bunch of texts and chatted throughout the day. Don't do too much of this, it makes you seem too available and will kill attraction. Just do very occasional "keep-alive" messages until she's in town next. You could also find a reason to be in her town soon.
/r/seduction01/12/10 09:26 PM
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Don't be afraid to ask a girl for her number in front of your/her friends. In this case you were distracted, but you shouldn't have been if she's truly a 9.
/r/seduction01/12/10 09:21 PM
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Read all of the Seddit top posts and intro material. This topic is very well-covered: never tell a girl you're interested in that you like her. Ever.
/r/seduction01/12/10 09:03 PM
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Um, yeah, it exists. It's where girls put losers.
/r/seduction01/12/10 08:52 PM
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Yeah, more practice. This stuff takes a long time to improve but there isn't really a shortcut.
/r/seduction01/12/10 08:49 PM
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How have you "failed" the "talk to everyone" approach? There isn't really any way to fail that unless people are slapping you in the face, calling you a weirdo, etc.
/r/seduction30/11/10 11:41 PM
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I've never been to one. From the few photos/videos I've seen that show local pickup clubs, I would say it's much more likely to be the exact opposite of Ed Hardy bro's, especially in SF. Let us know how it goes.
/r/seduction30/11/10 11:04 PM
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Not enough information. Did you shut him down when you guys were fooling around? Was it your choice to hang out with him until 3pm the next day (i.e. did you overstay your welcome)? Both of these things would annoy me, but the only thing that would make me not ask you out again is if I was legitimately not interested for some reason. It's only Tuesday. If you're interested in the guy, just ask him out! Sure guys usually make the next move, but it's not always that way. I (guy here) get asked out…
/r/seduction30/11/10 10:56 PM
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TL;DR: to become an alpha male among other males, you have to "win" conversations and "pick apart" the other guys. I don't agree with this line of thinking. My friends who constantly are trying to do what you describe are the ones who need the highest level of external validation, and are not alphas. Alphas are the guys who people want to follow and emulate. "Beating" others in conversation doesn't get you there. In the rare cases where there's another guy who is directly trying to challenge me …
/r/seduction30/11/10 08:59 PM
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Have you watched the PUA seminar material that's on Youtube? A lot of it is directly from the top-tier seminars. There's some good stuff, but you can see lots of it online for free, and for $1000+ you're not going to get the level of 1-on-1 feedback you are likely expecting. If I were you, I'd either try to find someone in your area who is on Seddit who would be willing to wing/tutor you for free, or contact a "professional PUA" and offer them a bunch of money for a 1-on-1 session. Or a friend w…
/r/seduction30/11/10 08:04 PM
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Personal choice. I never call women I'm dating unless we're far along and I actually want to have a phone conversation with her. Some guys on here swear by phone calls. I wouldn't recommend doing a bunch of long phone conversations with a girl that you've only been on two dates with though, especially not into the late hours of the night. It makes you seem too available and/or needy, and will subconsciously kill her attraction even if the calls seem to be going well.
/r/seduction30/11/10 07:57 PM
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Stop trying to pick up girls for a while. Talk to lots of strangers, male or female, with no goal other than having an interesting conversation. Then you'll see there isn't really a fail/success scenario. Once you can do that, you do the same with girls you're interested in, work in more kino, and then just ask for her number.
/r/seduction30/11/10 07:50 PM
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They're awfully expensive compared to reading and posting questions on Seddit, and then going out and trying stuff yourself. A bunch of the "Professional PUA's" who host these things dispense some questionable advice, too. I'd save your money and spend it on things like wardrobe, going out, etc.
/r/seduction30/11/10 07:46 PM
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If I'm not going to see a girl in a week or more, I just send her the occasional keep-alive text, usually a funny photo or text once or twice. You have to have a good read on the girl though, some need a little more, some don't care. If she suggested a different place, that may be a sign that you haven't established yourself as a true alpha, or maybe she just genuinely dislikes the place you suggested. I don't think counter-suggesting again will help though, you probably need to go along with it…
/r/seduction30/11/10 07:42 PM
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The vacuum is just using expectant silences to get the girl to open up. If you ask her a big question like "oh you were in Iceland?! How was it?" and she just says "it was great", you just kind of stare at her expectantly until she says more. I usually do it with kind of a bemused/disappointed/expectant look on my face. It works, but I don't find it a very important technique for pickup success.
/r/seduction30/11/10 05:58 PM
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What are ways to gauge a woman's interest between dates (1 week timespan)? You don't. You gauge a woman's interest on dates. She got topless in a bed with you, that's a pretty positive step. What are ways to fuel the fire through text/phone after we've been talking for 3 weeks and have had two dates? You don't. Just line up date 3, and keep the text/phone to a minimum. Since there's a week between dates, maybe a couple texts but that should be it. It's very difficult to build attraction over tex…
/r/seduction30/11/10 05:51 PM
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I hear you on not being paranoid, but read these two threads if you want to know why it's a very good idea for us to keep a low profile on Reddit: flamewar thread, Seddit discussion about said flamewar.
/r/seduction30/11/10 09:13 AM
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PUAs get a horrible reputation as a bunch of misogynistics and I am doing everything I can to stop it. That's a losing battle my friend, and not one I think is even worth winning. My attitude is, if everyone outside of Seddit thinks PUA literature is garbage and the "community" is full of weasels, fine. Nobody in real life will ever be able to identify people who have integrated PUA principles into their life because those people are just cool fun people who everyone loves to be around. I would …
/r/seduction30/11/10 08:50 AM
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You probably should forget about pickup until you fix your inner issues. I'd recommend checking out books on self-improvement, maybe like this and following their advice. Get yourself into situations that help you build self esteem and rapport with both sexes, like maybe a casual coed sports league. Good luck man, from the sounds of it you still have a pretty long journey ahead of you. I started from a point similar to yours and overcame it, so it's definitely doable.
/r/seduction30/11/10 08:40 AM
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Start by talking to everyone until you get good at it. Don't have an outcome in mind, don't do it to pickup girls, just do it to have conversations that are mutually interesting. Once you can do that, you will find it much easier to pick up girls, and your life will be a lot more interesting in general.
/r/seduction30/11/10 08:29 AM
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There was a thread that covered breaking up about a week ago. As for avoiding a girl badmouthing you, just make sure you're not a dick. It's also a good reason, if you are going after lots of women, to not tap your social network -- go out and meet totally new women via cold approaches.
/r/seduction30/11/10 08:27 AM
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Don't tell girls you're pursuing that you just banged another girl. If you have a good read on her and think it will work, you could casually work in "I was on a date and blah...", but make sure you think she'll respond positively to that. Not all girls will. There are tons of safer ways to build attraction.
/r/seduction30/11/10 08:21 AM
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Um, yeah, the sidebar. --> Also reading through all the "Top" posts from all time is a good starting point.
/r/seduction30/11/10 08:19 AM
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There was a good thread about emoticons here a little while ago. I use plenty of "!" and ":)" and "haha", but never use ":(" or "lol". The big guns here seemed pretty split on the subject though. I think most people would agree that mirroring her general use of emoticons and punctuation is a safe bet.
/r/seduction30/11/10 08:15 AM
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As soon as I see evidence that there are girls who don't respond to text-only, I'll reconsider. So far so good for me.
/r/seduction30/11/10 08:07 AM
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Are you asking them out using the methods described in Seddit? There's lots of easy mistakes that can kill a woman's attraction in the very early stages. Try closely following the advice from my recent post. Either that, or post a couple very detailed examples of recent failed approaches, you will get good feedback.
/r/seduction30/11/10 08:01 AM
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Read r/sex, there are hundreds of posts going into very good advice about this. You have to find a method that works for you. I'll usually just grab a girl's hand/body/face and put it where I want it, if she's not doing it right. As for bj/hj on the period, it's definitely not out of line to ask, but not all women are down with it.
/r/seduction30/11/10 07:58 AM
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Ask her. If she still is a wet blanket, you should probably next her, sounds like a serious lack of chemistry. It's pretty common, just read r/sex for about 15 seconds and you'll see about 1/3 of the posts are similar to this.
/r/seduction30/11/10 06:52 AM
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Classes don't count at all. Bars & concerts, sure, if it's a fully cold approach to someone you have not seen before. Maybe you should elaborate more on what sorts of obstacles you are hitting with women? Can you not get approach, or build rapport, or get their number, or have a good first date, etc?
/r/seduction30/11/10 06:50 AM
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There's a big difference between having friends and being able to literally meet a cool dude in a bar/restaurant/coffee shop/gym, strike up an interesting conversation, and make plans to hang out some time, and then become real friends. Are you capable of doing this?
/r/seduction30/11/10 06:38 AM
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You aren't back there until January? Then you are making yourself visible way too early. You will not build attraction with her by posting shit on her wall, or messaging, IM'ing or texting her for the next month. It's much more likely to make her lose interest. Read more of Seddit, this point is made a lot on here. Unless she is messaging you, don't make any contact with her on FB until you are actually back in town. Then just say (via private message) "hey I'm back in town, we should catch up! …
/r/seduction30/11/10 06:35 AM
4

That is an awesome comeback from a 19 to a 23 year old. Keep it up.
/r/seduction30/11/10 06:28 AM
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That's solid, do that. As long as you are steering clear of dinner and a movie, or anything else where you can't get a lot of conversation & kino going, you're fine.
/r/seduction30/11/10 06:26 AM
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Start by applying this advice. If you can get to the point where you can meet random strangers and actually become friends with them, you are definitely ready to meet women. If strangers continually treat you like you're a weirdo, something else is up.
/r/seduction30/11/10 06:23 AM
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If she's that bad you shouldn't have invited her. You can certainly disinvite her, but man up and don't lie, tell her there's another girl that you are taking instead, or that you made a mistake, and don't want to lead her on, so you don't want her to go with you.
/r/seduction29/11/10 11:46 PM
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Don't let girls take your shit under any circumstances, especially if they tell you they're doing it to guarantee a second meeting. I don't really recommend banging chicks you have no interest in, but if you really want to, it's pretty obvious that you can easily make it happen. Go by her place as late as feasible (like 10 or after), don't be dressed up, and maybe bring a bottle of cheap wine or similar. If she whines "I want to go out", just say firmly, "no, we're going to stay in tonight." If …
/r/seduction29/11/10 11:15 PM
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This is on FB, I presume? What's the history behind "I miss you"? Something like "Of course it's cute, it's a picture of me! Let's catch up, you should come meet me at [bar] tomorrow at [8]!" would probably be the standard issue advice around here.
/r/seduction29/11/10 11:09 PM
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Seems like a risky move out of the blue, I wouldn't recommend it. It sounds like you may not have a good read on her, so there is a chance she gets offended or even quits (she could sue you or your uncle too if you really screw it up). If you can get her to your room, and on your bed, just talk to her while escalating kino rapidly. If she's complying/reciprocating, start making out with her, then when she is really hot and heavy you can go for sex. Protip: get your own condoms.
/r/seduction29/11/10 11:07 PM
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Take the HBC to the formal, and take the HBB on a date in the next 3 days. If you don't want to lead the HBC on, just don't do anything at the formal that shows you're interested (kino etc), just have a good time with her.
/r/seduction29/11/10 11:02 PM
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Not a big deal at all. I never pick up my date unless we have to drive together somewhere and her place is exactly on the way. And that's usually only date 4+ by which time she's already slept with me. When you ask a girl out, you just say "hey meet me at [bar] at [8] tomorrow". She doesn't even have to know you don't have a car/DL. Unless it's obvious when looking at you that something's jacked in your eye, it should be very easy to keep the topic from coming up. If she somehow asks you what yo…
/r/seduction29/11/10 10:18 PM
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You shouldn't have opened your texting with a work pretense, it makes it look more creeperish if you try to get it back to personal after that. Will you see her when she returns the camera, or in some other capacity around campus etc? If so, I'd wait till then and then directly ask her out. Otherwise, rather than texting her, I'd probably call her in this case and ask her out. I never call girls, but here it seems more appropriate to call than text. Say something like "when you filled out your f…
/r/seduction29/11/10 10:05 PM
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Well done, these are exceptional results after basically one day of trying to apply it. Good luck!
/r/seduction29/11/10 10:00 PM
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Check out this thread and this thread for good advice. Also check out r/okcupid.
/r/seduction29/11/10 09:57 PM
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I guess I'm out of the norm in the responses here in that I do look for reciprocation in kino. It's not as fast as I'm escalating, but the girl usually gives subtle increases in kino frequency/intimacy if she's responding well to it. If she's not reciprocating at all and appears to be backing off from it, that's a bad sign. Especially when I first meet a girl, I'll touch her on the arm/shoulder a few times while making a point. Then I'll cool off the kino a bit. If she touches me when she's maki…
/r/seduction29/11/10 09:56 PM
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Don't use a technique if you don't understand why you are using it! I never use time constraints on a date unless I actually have one I need to stick to. Since my goal is usually to get the girl back to my place and stay the night, I don't usually have one. Time constraints are very useful when you have opened a girl, for a few reasons. It legitimizes asking her for her number earlier than she may have expected. You can #-close in a small number of minutes if you have a time constraint. It demon…
/r/seduction29/11/10 09:29 PM
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Talk to everyone, practice that every day. You'll find there is not much "ice-breaking" that actually has to go on, if you have a good positive demeanor and don't look/act like a creeper. Most people, even shy people, are open to speaking to people who speak to them. Just open strangers by asking them how their day is going, their opinions on things, whatever. Retail/service staff and taxi drivers are good "training wheels" since they already talk to everyone.
/r/seduction29/11/10 09:19 PM
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I agree. Come on man, there are millions of single hotties out there. Revenge doesn't actually make you feel better.
/r/seduction29/11/10 07:26 AM
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That is a great line, I have filed it away for future use, thanks.
/r/seduction29/11/10 05:29 AM
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Have you had good success with hardcore freezeouts like this? I don't do them, they just don't match my style. I do more push, but I don't fully freeze the girl out. In this case, I could see that many girls could get pissed if you started hitting on another group of girls right in front of them, maybe it was that?
/r/seduction29/11/10 05:26 AM
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The DJ Boot Camp contains some highly questionable advice in their "readings", especially around how to handle setting up and executing the first date. It also goes way overboard in the advice on negs and has some weird sex advice. I think the exercises would be of great value to many guys, but just make sure you take the content with a grain of salt. The Stylelife challenge is probably a better choice for the beginner, and has better content.
/r/seduction29/11/10 03:27 AM
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"Find me on facebook" has never happened to me, but I imagine it would happen more in college. I would just laugh dismissively and say "no. give me your number." Unless you've built a lot of attraction with the girl, or planted some seeds for something at your place (like you already talked about cooking together, or you have something at your place she wants to see), I wouldn't advise asking her to your dorm for a first date. At my college, there were a few cool coffee places that probably woul…
/r/seduction29/11/10 02:55 AM
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There's some relevant info in this post.
/r/seduction29/11/10 12:51 AM
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The jury is out on this one. Good recent discussion about it here.
/r/seduction29/11/10 12:31 AM
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Some girls are weird about making out with guys in public, especially if their friends or other people they know are around. Maybe someone else was there she knew that you didn't know about? But I would say combined with her poutiness, she's not a keeper. Why didn't you get the HB8's number? The authenticity of me having zero ulterior motive made the interaction so incredibly smooth. This was a major eye-opener that there are still some gaping holes in my game, because every interaction should b…
/r/seduction29/11/10 12:10 AM
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She's already signaled that she is open tomorrow night. Don't try to change the day. I would maybe try something like "haha well then I'll talk you into it over drinks at [bar, near bowling place]!" And then meet her at that bar at 7. Have a few drinks, bounce to the bowling place, and show her that it's fun and not all about the bowling. You did make a couple mis-steps here, IMO. You've only been on one date with this girl; your second date should be scheduled with at least 24 hours notice, and…
/r/seduction28/11/10 10:40 PM
2

Heh well I guess I'm also a self-righteous atheist, but I'm at least an open mindedly curious self-righteous atheist :) If you have posted or read any good astrology "FR's" elsewhere on Reddit, I'd be curious to check them out. I won't downvote :) I went through your history but couldn't find much on the topic.
/r/seduction28/11/10 10:31 PM
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No, it's an alpha move. You don't text her asking her how her day is, or BS'ing around. You send her a single text asking her out. You're a busy guy with lots of cool stuff going on, but you also go after things that you want in your life. Plus if you wait more than 24 hours, you will be losing the attraction points you earned the night you met her.
/r/seduction28/11/10 10:16 PM
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You've already waited longer than ideal. You should be asking her out within 24 hours of meeting her, for a date in the next 1-3 days. Don't ask girls out for a first date with less than 24 hours notice. Read this. I would text her today, saying "hey I'm going to be up in your neck of the woods tomorrow. come meet me at [bar] at [8]!"
/r/seduction28/11/10 09:56 PM
2

I know it's slightly OT, but you sincerely believe in astrology?
/r/seduction28/11/10 09:13 PM
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Exactly like you would for a dude you just met at a party. Ask her what's she's been doing that night, tell her a story of something funny you just saw/did, ask her about herself or stuff she's wearing, ask how she knows her friends, talk about the bar or the people in the bar, whatever, just keep talking and try to get some kino in once she's interested. My openers are usually something like "hey how's it going? you guys having a good time tonight?" and then just flow from there.
/r/seduction28/11/10 09:04 PM
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Change "At least one girl" to "That girl you're talking to right now" for some good sexy motivation :)
/r/seduction28/11/10 06:49 PM
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I have tested it enough to stick to the "don't kiss until she gets to my couch" approach. There are a lot of variables, so I would need a higher sample size to really "prove it". Per some recent comments, intjpua also seems to agree that not kissing on a first date leads to higher sexual tension and improves the chances for getting her into the bedroom.
/r/seduction28/11/10 06:45 PM
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More details please. "Coming on too strong" could mean anything from saying "I like you" to standing outside her window holding a beatbox above your head and sending her roses every day for two weeks.
/r/seduction28/11/10 06:42 PM
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Talk to everyone. Be outcome-independent.
/r/seduction28/11/10 06:12 PM
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Don't fuck around with girls who have 5-year boyfriends.
/r/seduction28/11/10 06:10 PM
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Dude just go for it. 4 months is generally way too long to wait for making a move, but this girl is either interested in you or she is an attention seeker. Just ask her out casually. "Hey come with me to [blah blah after hours club] after work" or something along those lines. Then escalate kino and see if she reciprocates.
/r/seduction28/11/10 06:06 PM
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Being black but not "acting black" is not a big deal. Having an appearance that is really different from who you are is a slightly bigger issue. Are you sure that women end up not liking you because they expect someone different personality-wise? If so, you may want to address that through some wardrobe changes.
/r/seduction28/11/10 06:03 PM
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I don't do a ton of explicit compliance testing. The ones I do use often are getting her to hold my drink/coat, getting her to give me a light, getting her to buy me drinks, getting her to scratch my back, or getting her to ask random people stupid questions.
/r/seduction28/11/10 05:59 PM
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Nice FR. TIL that some clubs in Japan have all you can drink booze. I think that bumps it up a few spots on my "next vacation" list :)
/r/seduction28/11/10 05:54 PM
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This is another reason that I generally don't go for the makeout until I get her back to my place. I think you did the right thing, it's difficult to get a cockblocking friend out of the way if you don't know her and if she's taking the "taking advantage" high road. In terms of asking her out, I recommend following this advice. I wouldn't make out with her on the first date until she comes back to your place.
/r/seduction28/11/10 05:48 PM
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Make sure you apply a lot of kino next time you talk to her. If she reciprocates it, ask her out.
/r/seduction28/11/10 05:43 PM
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Nice FR! Good to hear things went well and you could apply some Seddit stuff. Nothing obvious to improve on, other than selecting targets that you actually do want to take home :) Knowing your neighborhood bartenders is a very good thing. Make sure you know their names and they know yours. At a local bar I go to, I have gotten to be good friends with the bartenders, and they often take care of my tab or most of it.
/r/seduction28/11/10 05:42 PM
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It's actually common for her not to respond to my first text. If she does respond, she's extremely interested. If she doesn't respond, you just go ahead with the next day text. The purpose of that first text is to make sure she has my number so the next day she knows it's me.
/r/seduction28/11/10 05:34 PM
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I agree - this post describes my "standard method". Certainly there have been times when I deviated from it. But I'd say I've followed this template to the letter for 80% of the women I've met in the past several months. What's described here will work for the vast majority of meets.
/r/seduction28/11/10 05:32 PM
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The only scenario where I would not bail if I wasn't going for the SNL would be maybe at a friend's party where I wanted/needed to stay. This is very rare, but it did happen to me on Halloween. I was talking to a girl who was giving her friends a ride, and I was giving my friends a ride, so we both needed to stay and an SNL looked highly unlikely. I just ended up hanging out with her the whole night. I try to not be 100% engaged with her for the whole night - hit the bar & dancefloor, meet other…
/r/seduction28/11/10 05:26 PM
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I've kind of gone back and forth on this. I used to occasionally go for kisses early. Then when I first found Seddit, I found a bunch of guys who advocated always going for the kiss as soon as possible, either the night you meet her or the first date. I tried applying that, but my results were mixed. After doing some more thinking and reading, I decided that it's actually better not to go for the kiss until I get her back to my place. It builds sexual tension and I think makes her more likely to…
/r/seduction28/11/10 05:22 PM
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YMMV, obviously. I've been very pleased with my results since I switched to text-only. I covered text vs. phone in this post a few days ago. Showing "too little effort" is not a bad thing before you've slept with a girl, it's definitely much better than showing too much effort.
/r/seduction28/11/10 01:17 AM
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Read up on the kino escalation ladder. It's much easier to practice kino if you are sitting side-by-side, or (my preference) at right angles to each other. Your legs/bodies can touch and it seems natural. You can slide closer to her, or whisper in her ear more easily. You don't have to reach as far to touch her arm/sholder/body as you make a point.
/r/seduction28/11/10 01:04 AM
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Shit test. Don't go to the club. I don't like gaming service industry, especially hot bartenders, because they get hit on constantly and so have lots of shields / deflection / shit tests. But don't go to the club. If it's like most clubs, she probably has Sunday, Monday and/or Tuesday off. Text her on Sunday afternoon and ask her out for drinks on Monday night. Follow this method. Based on her response to you, I'd say she's either not that attracted or maybe has a BF, but your best bet is to tak…
/r/seduction28/11/10 12:48 AM
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Yeah blow it off, I wouldn't even try too much humor, you want to deflect like it had no effect on you and you found it even slightly amusing. Depending on how it's brought up, I would just say something like "yeah that was pretty funny" and then change the subject.
/r/seduction28/11/10 12:43 AM
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Your best bet, if you are likely to see her again, is to re-build attraction when you see her. Run normal game, with maybe a little more push/pull than normal since she basically blew you off. I wouldn't ask her out on the spot; assuming things go well at the club meeting, I'd wait until the next day and ask her out to drinks over text.
/r/seduction28/11/10 12:31 AM
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Try to avoid a group date situation. I would either wait until I see her next, and then run game and try to isolate her; or just properly ask her out again after waiting a few days.
/r/seduction27/11/10 11:58 PM
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LMGTFY.
/r/seduction27/11/10 11:54 PM
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All good advice, but I don't agree on the advice about alprozolam (aka Xanax). Even when prescribed by a doctor, I'm not sure taking it on dates is a good idea. It interacts negatively with alcohol, is addictive, and has numerous libido/sexual side effects. As always be cautious with medical advice you read on the web. More practice is probably a better way to address anxiety on dates.
/r/seduction27/11/10 11:53 PM
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Pick one girl, you can't go after two friends at the same time without huge risk of drama.
/r/seduction27/11/10 11:02 PM
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My advice all still applies, just try to apply it going forward.
/r/seduction27/11/10 11:01 PM
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Why did it take 2 weeks to get together? That is way too long before a first date and is fraught with risk of losing attraction. You should always try to fit in a first date within a few days of getting the number. If you really couldn't see her, make sure you keep the text/email to a minimum before your first date or you seem too available and she will lose interest. Your mode of asking her out was also flawed. You "discussed making plans" for a first date? She was the one to suggest the first …
/r/seduction27/11/10 10:12 PM
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Kino is the way to get her to the bedroom. Women communicate interest mostly non-verbally and respond very well to it being used on them. You should be making physical contact with her early and often in any context. What sort of problems are you having? Are you not even able to make out with women in your apartment? Or just making the transition from couch to bed? If a girl makes out with me on my couch, she is going to my bedroom 100% of the time. We make out until she's obviously extremely ar…
/r/seduction27/11/10 10:04 PM
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You did a few things wrong here and it freaked her out. when a girl says she can't make a date, don't ever try to persuade her to come, it seems really needy. when you say you can't make a date, especially if it's a first date, and your constraint goes away, don't ask her out for that original time you said you couldn't make. It makes you seem wishy-washy and somewhat over-available. unless you have good rapport with the girl already, saying "you're a real pain in the ass" is very easily miscons…
/r/seduction27/11/10 09:59 PM
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Practice talking to everyone, outside of the context of pickup, and doing it with the goal of having a conversation that interests you. It's possible to steer any conversation in a way that does interest you, you just need practice.
/r/seduction27/11/10 07:53 PM
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I hadn't really thought about it, but yeah, women always love it. I find that guys respond to it too, unless they are big AMOG's and don't like the attention I get from it. But I've gotten pretty good at winning guys over so usually they roll with it.
/r/seduction27/11/10 07:51 PM
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Keep up the leaving contact to her, and don't always respond immediately. When you feel like maybe she's legitimately interested again, just ask her out and re-escalate kino. If/when you get back with her, keep all contact to a minimum in between dates: don't have long text/phone conversations, etc.
/r/seduction27/11/10 06:47 PM
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When in conversation, especially 1:1 conversation, don't answer questions or respond in conversation immediately. Always leave a gap of a second or two, this gives you time to be less reactive and seem more confident.
/r/seduction27/11/10 06:44 PM
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Talk to Everyone.
/r/seduction27/11/10 06:41 PM
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You're doing a few big things wrong here. When you go to a party and meet a girl you're interested in, get her number! Don't facebook her. Don't chat/IM/text a girl for a week before asking her out. Just ask her out straight away, the next day. Making yourself available to a girl over IM/text a lot before you've even been on a date will kill her attraction. You should try to find under-21 date ideas that are better than eating dinner. Going shopping, going to a park/picnic, a hike, etc, are all …
/r/seduction27/11/10 06:39 PM
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You shouldn't be texting or talking to her on the phone every day between dates. "Flirting" over the phone doesn't really build attraction, and you risk losing attraction by making yourself too available to her. I would simply not answer some of the days and don't call her back. Is there a safe/suave way to ask her how she feels about me or if she's currently interested in someone else she is possibly seeing? Not unless you want to kill your chances with her; just escalate until she either is ob…
/r/seduction27/11/10 06:32 PM
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You know the friend didn't exist right? Things were going really well and you basically told her to get lost. You should have taken her home. Do it next time!
/r/seduction27/11/10 06:29 PM
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You may want to review this huge thread from a few months ago.
/r/seduction27/11/10 06:27 PM
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I used to do this a lot. It's possible to do self-dep humor that isn't DLV but I found the best policy was just to way cut down self-deprecation. Now I have a lot more humor that is the opposite of self-deprecating, self-pedestalling perhaps? :) Like constantly referring to myself as a super-genius, hotter than George Clooney, saying things like "well as a former NFL all-star", etc. It gets good laughs and is a DHV even though it's ridiculous.
/r/seduction27/11/10 06:26 PM
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I find that if I'm really in heavy teasing mode with a girl, she'll sometimes start teasing me back. But most girls aren't that good at teasing or their comedic delivery, so sometimes I take their statement seriously and give a reactive/defensive response. What's interesting is that I can tell if a girl is seriously interested from this, because if I give a defensive response, she gets really apologetic, "I was just kidding, sorry!!" etc. I don't think it has screwed up any approaches for me, bu…
/r/seduction27/11/10 06:20 PM
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You shouldn't be texting with a girl up to the point you run out of things to say, because you shouldn't be doing lots of chatting over text. Just ask her out, and then go to radio silence for the 1-2 days until the date.
/r/seduction27/11/10 06:16 PM
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The 3 second rule is awesome if you can follow it, but it's overrated. You can do fine if it takes you a bit longer to approach; just don't think about "OMG I didn't follow the 3 second rule!" when you talk to her.
/r/seduction27/11/10 12:00 AM
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As a formerly married guy, I honestly think the concept of freezeouts don't work well in marriage. They build resentment and confusion. If I were you, I'd stick to my guns in terms of trying to gradually change the power dynamic, but you can't do that if your wife senses that you are shutting down intimacy. A month without initiating anything seems like an especially bad idea, but maybe that's just me. Honestly it sounds like you both have some serious relationship issues; you may want to consid…
/r/seduction26/11/10 11:58 PM
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I'm pretty sure you know what to do here better than most of Seddit, so trust your instinct. I always next girls who don't respond to kino escalation, and usually don't even pursue them as much as you have here. It's a symptom of hangups that will almost certainly extend to the bedroom and beyond. This girl seems like you could make it happen but it probably would not be worth it.
/r/seduction26/11/10 11:53 PM
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She's playing games, you may not have built quite as much attraction as you thought, or she could be really hot and testing you. Stick to your guns. I actually would employ some misdirection here, and forget about studying together, it's not a very good "date". Text her and say something like "hey come meet me tomorrow at [cool place/bar/party/etc] at [8]!" It takes her pissy response off the table and gives her an option to actually hang out with you. BTW when girls start mirroring you in anyth…
/r/seduction26/11/10 11:50 PM
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This topic has been covered quite a few times here. The advice is going to be basically either "don't fish off the company pier" (which I agree with), or "run normal game like anybody else". Assuming you're OK with dating someone you work with (be careful), the good news is she's already been out with you. So you just need to read up on kino escalation and the other core techniques, and apply them. You should also read these threads: Girl I work with Hookups at work Going out with someone at wor…
/r/seduction26/11/10 07:09 PM
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"Talk to everyone" isn't strictly pickup advice, it's just good life advice. My quality of life has dramatically improved since I moved from being a very shy introvert nerd into an outgoing guy who meets new people all the time. Just look around you. The people who are outgoing and friendly always have fun people around them, have multiple options any night of the week that don't entail playing video games, etc. Start practicing "talk to everyone" with no expectations other than spicing up your …
/r/seduction26/11/10 06:57 PM
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Telling a girl how you feel isn’t the fastest one-way ticket to the friend zone in my opinion. Because if she does feel the same way, that’s great. I don’t see how that’s the friend-zone. It's counter-intuitive, but trust Seddit on this one, telling a girl how you feel is never the best way to get together with her. It usually completely kills her attraction and lands you in the friendzone. There are many posts here dealing with this topic. You have to show the girl you're interested by escalati…
/r/seduction26/11/10 06:11 PM
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Don't tell girls you like them, it almost never works. (There are a bunch of posts here dealing with this topic.) You have to show them, by building attraction and getting her to think about you sexually.
/r/seduction26/11/10 06:04 PM
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BTW, I should add that unless she has been harboring a BIG crush on you, escalating with a girl you've been friends with for years has a pretty low success rate in my experience. For me it's happened mostly opportunistically, where we bump into each other at a bar or party, both have had a few drinks, both happen to be horny and decide "screw it". But it's worth a shot, just make sure you observe how she's reacting to your kino escalation, and back off if she's not responding.
/r/seduction26/11/10 05:57 PM
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Go to a bar that has small bar tables / chairs where it will seem natural to sit on adjacent sides of the table instead of across from each other. Then just keep the conversation playful and light while escalating kino. Make sure she is reciprocating the kino; the best way to gauge if you have an in with a girl is whether she is reciprocating your escalation. An effective idea that I have incorporated into most of my dates thanks to Seddit is to always go to multiple places on a date. After a co…
/r/seduction26/11/10 05:54 PM
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The suggestions here are all pretty fine. That said, when I get "I miss you" it's almost always from a girl I'm in an exclusive LTR with. If it's true, I have no problem with saying "I miss you too", no need to play games with that one. If I'm getting "I miss you" from a girl before I actually do miss her, that's usually a sign that she's a stage 5 clinger.
/r/seduction26/11/10 05:10 PM
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These lines could definitely work... if you delivered them in an extremely sarcastic-sincere tone within 15 minutes of meeting a girl :) Although saying "You're so lucky to have me in your life!" right after meeting her is a lot better.
/r/seduction26/11/10 05:07 PM
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Seeing guys in this state really hurts my soul... - for when someone asks "what is an AFC?"
/r/seduction26/11/10 04:58 PM
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Don't take your roommate. Go to the party with her, and meet as many new people as you can. Make friends with them, keep her in tow but don't shower attention on her. Demonstrate to her that you can make friends and don't rely on her for companionship. Keep coming back to her, escalate kino, and take it from there.
/r/seduction26/11/10 08:47 AM
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You didn't screw everything up. Go for it in terms of scheduling a next date. Text her 2 days before her shows with something like "how was your weekend? let's watch [blah show] on [night]!" You did a few things that were not great, but you definitely did not royally screw it up. Don't do dinner or movie dates with a girl before you've slept with her. Reasoning behind this can be found in many Seddit posts. Don't be so reactive when you get challenged, women don't like that. "You didn't really d…
/r/seduction26/11/10 08:44 AM
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Unlike a lot of people here, I don't think "one-itis" is a disease to be cured. It's totally fine to have crushes on girls, and try to make it happen with them. But the lessons you will hopefully learn here are: when you meet someone you really like, the faster you move, the more successful you will be. Girls are weird like that; if you go for it right off the bat you will be rewarded. becoming friends with a girl first, before you make a move, is a losing strategy most of the time. girls respon…
/r/seduction26/11/10 08:32 AM
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If they think they are hot shit in college, no, they generally will not mellow out. The only cool 9/10's I've ever known are girls who were really late bloomers, or were somehow sheltered from the world of guys fawning over them all the time (like they got married really early, or grew up in another country, etc).
/r/seduction26/11/10 08:21 AM
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I hang out mostly in bars that aren't very loud, especially the ones with outdoor areas where people mill around / smoke / etc. I find it the best environment for meeting women.
/r/seduction25/11/10 07:24 PM
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this is my primary mode of flirting Are you from the 1880's? Flirting has very little to do with smiling and tipping hats. You should be using kino as your primary mode of flirting.
/r/seduction25/11/10 06:41 PM
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Don't stick your dick in crazy. I don't think this is temporary-breakup-crazy, she sounds just crazy. Next her.
/r/seduction25/11/10 06:40 PM
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Do you think she will not be faithful? That's a bad sign. If you're a good boyfriend, and you've been clear with her that you both are exclusive, and she's not a crazy, that's all you can do.
/r/seduction25/11/10 06:38 PM
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Send her a text today that just says "Happy Thanksgiving! Eat some turkey for me!" Then send her a text around Sunday, asking her out for Tuesday or so (if she'll be back by then of course). "Hey how was your break? You should come over Tuesday night for dinner!"
/r/seduction25/11/10 06:37 PM
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I only do it when I won't see the girl for at least a week, and my ping is relevant to her interests. Usually a photo, or something I want to talk to her about when I see her next.
/r/seduction25/11/10 06:35 PM
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"put your number in here. If you really don't tivo oprah and other lame shows, you'll have to prove it to me some time." Good line, congrats on the pickup! Make sure you text her to ask her out as soon as possible. I wouldn't even wait until Saturday. I always ask out within 24 hours, occasionally 48.
/r/seduction25/11/10 06:30 PM
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You didn't read the scale that I referenced, it basically takes the subjectiveness out of it.
/r/seduction25/11/10 06:24 PM
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He met her at a bar. They have been out a couple times where she sort of invited herself along, just like this time. He did bang her once. I don't talk to anybody I know about PUA.
/r/seduction25/11/10 06:23 PM
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Build attraction in person, then ask for her number. In the next group setting, just try to isolate her and escalate kino, then ask for her number. Getting her number from her friends, or asking her out with no history, can easily be construed as creepy, even if she is legitimately interested.
/r/seduction25/11/10 12:24 AM
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Sure, it's definitely consensus that negs should be used mostly (if not exclusively) on HB9/10's. I agree with this view. Most guys who are new to PU start negging all girls around them, when really it's an advanced tactic that can royally screw up your game if you do it wrong. There's been a couple decent threads recently about this.
/r/seduction25/11/10 12:22 AM
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Heh yeah that would kill me! I guess I'm lucky that the majority of the women who really do it for me are not in the "gets hit on by every guy who sees them" category.
/r/seduction24/11/10 11:55 PM
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First, you need to decide whether you really want to get back together with this girl. When I was 23, it was really easy to feel like the last girl I was in love with was the only one out there for me. That's not true, there are many women out there better than the girls you've been with. Think about why you broke up, and then think about why that will be different this time (hint: most of the time, it won't be). BUT assuming you have done this... we text constantly, we talk and hang out often. …
/r/seduction24/11/10 11:40 PM
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"Maybe even 9.5 in four beers' time." Upvoted for hilarity. Also TIL that "sharking" is english slang for "hitting on girls".
/r/seduction24/11/10 11:40 PM
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There are tons of misogynists in the PUA "community", but just learning and applying PUA techniques will not make you more/less misogynistic. If anything, it should make you less misogynistic to be able to spend more time with cool women who used to be "out of your league".
/r/seduction24/11/10 10:41 PM
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I don't think many people on Seddit would agree with that, based on the recent posts discussing the "HB" scale. Here, "HB10" is generally used to refer to the women that almost all guys agree are smoking hot, and who get hit on the most. That has very little connection with their personality. This comment has the definitions I think are the most practical. You have to game HB9/10's differently than than HB6's simply because of how often guys hit on them, which is almost exclusively driven by the…
/r/seduction24/11/10 10:33 PM
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Thanks, this is well thought out information. I don't use online dating sites because I find them tedious, but I'm curious: how many messages does it generally take you to get the girl's number? And from there, do you go straight to asking her out or do you chat on the phone / IM / etc for a while? Have you found any specific ways to ask for the number that work or don't work?
/r/seduction24/11/10 10:25 PM
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Thanks for the feedback, appreciate it! I say luck because pretty much all my relationships after college until I found PUA literature were with women I met through work or work parties. I was OK with women but absolutely hopeless at doing cold approaches despite trying to do it quite a lot. If I had worked at more male-heavy companies, I feel fairly certain I would have spent a lot more time without female companionship.
/r/seduction24/11/10 10:17 PM
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It was wood What does this mean?
/r/seduction24/11/10 10:13 PM
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It's a matter of personal taste. Personally, I avoid girls in exclusive relationships, because I don't want to hang out with women who think it's cool to cheat on someone when you've agreed to be exclusive. To me, that's a symptom of a serious personality issue that I avoid in my friends or lovers.
/r/seduction24/11/10 10:00 PM
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Worthless post? Haha cool comment history, bro.
/r/seduction24/11/10 09:17 PM
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This thread may help. Also lots of advice, some of it good, on r/okcupid.
/r/seduction24/11/10 08:54 PM
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I'm not sure you're going to get the best advice in this subreddit. r/sex or r/relationshipadvice or even r/fetish may be better. I suspect here your advice will be mostly along the lines of "break up with him and find a limey" or "watch more hugh grant porn" or "think of russell brand while you're banging him" or "PM me!" :)
/r/seduction24/11/10 07:47 PM
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Don't get discouraged, changing the dynamic of a relationship is very difficult once you have years of precedent behind you and will take a long time even for small changes. Example: with one of my exes, she hated football and would always get me to do things with her on football days. When I later realized I had given away one of the things I love in life and tried to re-claim it, she flipped out and got really upset. I got some of it back but it took a long time and still really annoyed her be…
/r/seduction24/11/10 07:43 PM
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For me it was when I fully applied kino escalation and it worked. It was right after I broke up with my GF, I was just out with my friends having a good time and I struck up a conversation with an attractive girl. I wasn't looking to pick up, but I just thought to myself, screw it, I'm going to try this stuff I have read about. She immediately reciprocated, which kind of blew me away, and I kept escalating and ended up taking her home that night. Before that I had OK success with women but mostl…
/r/seduction24/11/10 07:36 PM
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Gordon Ramsay is a great example of what newbies picture when they think "alpha". Then they go out and emulate him and wonder why they get drinks thrown in their face.
/r/seduction24/11/10 07:06 PM
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Always accept an offer from a girl to buy you something. Give her a little reward for it, like a gentle rub on the shoulder as you say "thanks". On philosophy, I have a similar aversion, to talking politics. If the girl is really into it, I make ridiculous statements like "yeah? well I think all people should be sterilized unless they pass an IQ test!" and then change the subject. Your roommate is a dick. You need to have a serious man-talk with him, even the dickiest roommate should be able to …
/r/seduction24/11/10 06:12 PM
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If you are doing seduction right, you will never get a rejection like that. If you are good at building attraction and escalating kino, and gauging her reciprocation, you won't get rejected, you'll just gracefully realize that the girl is not into you and you'll move on. In the rare situation that I go for a kiss and the girl gives me the cheek (happened to me in a bar, when unbeknownst to me the girl's ex was there), I just take a few steps back on the kino ladder, do some very minor freezing o…
/r/seduction24/11/10 06:00 PM
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People in big cities, esp. NYC, are trained to not make eye contact with people. Probably due to the many weirdos/salespeople/beggars around. Try doing it in a restaurant/bar/mall/etc.
/r/seduction24/11/10 05:54 PM
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Read the beginner's material, it's pretty much 100% consensus that you shouldn't do movie dates.
/r/seduction24/11/10 05:53 PM
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You're hung up on a girl that you work with (strike one) who has a boyfriend (strike two). Next her.
/r/seduction24/11/10 05:52 PM
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Read Delightful_White's Facebook Guide. I think a better opener would be "Hey you found me. Maybe we are soulmates after all!" Calling a girl "soulmate" is a little risky, but since you already joked about it, if you are sure she will remember the conversation, go for it. As soon as she responds, pretty much no matter what the response, I would move to get her number ASAP. Like "hey let's catch up soon. what's your number?" Given your history, she should give it straight to you. Then move direct…
/r/seduction24/11/10 01:25 AM
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Yeah picking up the bill is not a huge deal, focus on kino. Even when you are sitting across from her, you can reach across and touch her arm when making a point without being awkward. Once you start paying attention to it, you will find it uncanny how much women use non-verbal touch communication. I was oblivious to it for many years. It's the best technique to signal your interest and gauge hers. Good luck!
/r/seduction24/11/10 12:55 AM
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Congrats on your first date! I wonder how I can show her that I like her not just as a friend? Is that implied by the situation so far? Yes, it is. Do not ever tell a girl that you like her directly, it's one of the great ironies of the dating world that doing that pretty much guarantees the girl will lose attraction for you. Did you try any kino? Like touching her arm/shoulder while you are making a point? This is the most effective way to show a girl you like her. Read up on The Kino Escalatio…
/r/seduction24/11/10 12:34 AM
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Yeah I agree. To me the dilemma about what to do if the girl does not pick up is the reason I no longer call. If you leave a message, you can be construed as needy; but same if you do not leave a message. I also vastly prefer that girls text me rather than call, no matter how long we've been seeing each other. So that's what I do.
/r/seduction24/11/10 12:26 AM
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I very rarely play any sort of games or routines (palm reading / the cube etc) with girls, it's just not my style. But I have occasionally played "slaps" or "knuckles" with female friends, some of them love it. It's not really a game, but the most common game-like thing I do with girls I've just met is to make up funny back-stories for the people around me: we take turns making up outlandish stories, or picking out people on dates, etc.
/r/seduction24/11/10 12:11 AM
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Well maybe, what you did was fine. I usually next the girl if she says anything like that, there's tons more enthusiastic ladies out there.
/r/seduction24/11/10 12:01 AM
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Kino escalation ladder: read up on it and apply it. If you've been on 3 dates and haven't made a move you are moving WAY too slow even if she is a total shy virgin. Also, read the advice on Seddit. Dinner and a movie is pretty much the opposite of what is recommended here for a good date. It's not disaster material, so if you've already agreed to it you can still do it, it's just far from optimal. My best dates are casual drinks at a chill bar or two, then bounce back to my place.
/r/seduction23/11/10 11:59 PM
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Cool, well I'm not sure exactly what your question was then :) BTW what happened with that very hot girl? Did she just say she didn't want to see you anymore, or did you give up on her?
/r/seduction23/11/10 10:31 PM
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I think George Clooney has one of the best slow/low voices in his film roles. Here's an example. I don't think talking super-slow is that critical for seduction, but speaking in an authoritative, low tone, slightly slower voice does help with anyone. Basically don't talk really fast or appear nervous or unsure of what you are saying.
/r/seduction23/11/10 10:06 PM
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Don't worry about it man, just go back to the well. As for preventing this happening again, here are my tips to maximize your erectofectiveness. Some combination of them may help next time. I used to have pretty bad "stage fright" the first few times I would be with a woman, but I got over it through practice. the biggest erection killer during a first time is adrenaline. Make sure you are as relaxed as you can be. If you're not feeling really relaxed, start with a mutual massage. pay attention …
/r/seduction23/11/10 09:14 PM
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This post is really about what you do after you've met a girl and got her number. In most cases where you've just met the girl, you don't have the option to see her in person until the first date. If you have the option to see her in person again, I'd say by far the best option is to just set up the date in person, or do an insta-date next time you see her.
/r/seduction23/11/10 08:51 PM
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Wow I honestly thought your post was sarcastic. Those are some pretty odd moves you've got there. Girls actually told you they liked it when you peed with the door open? My exes didn't even like it when I did that after I was with them for months.
/r/seduction23/11/10 08:05 PM
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Aha, yeah, I've read that site before, it's decent. I've stopped browsing the other blogs and forums since finding Seddit though :)
/r/seduction23/11/10 07:50 PM
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Upvote this comment if you think "Hybrid Approach" is effective; downvote if you think "Hybrid Approach" is not effective.
/r/seduction23/11/10 07:41 PM
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Upvote this comment if you think "Phone Only" is effective; downvote if you think "Phone Only" is not effective.
/r/seduction23/11/10 07:41 PM
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Upvote this comment if you think "Text Only" is effective; downvote if you think "Text Only" is not effective.
/r/seduction23/11/10 07:40 PM
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Upvoted for coining "omega". At least I haven't heard it before.
/r/seduction23/11/10 07:18 PM
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Just make a move on your next date. Make sure it's a 1:1 date, some girls get really shy around friends. I never do group dates for multiple reasons, but the logistics in your story are one of the big reasons. It's awkward to make it out in front of friends for the first time, or to have the "let's go back to my place" discussion.
/r/seduction23/11/10 07:14 PM
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Seddit comes through yet again! Love hearing these success stories, congrats.
/r/seduction23/11/10 07:12 PM
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I'm sure this will be funny and somewhat fun, but it is unlikely to legitimately help you get better at picking up women. The best way to get over "feelings of rejection" is to realize that there is no rejection! If you are doing it right, you will never get rejected (by getting told to get lost, or getting "no" when you ask for her number etc), you will just talk to women who turn out not to be interested in you. If you are good at talking to and reading women, you'll never put yourself in a po…
/r/seduction23/11/10 07:10 PM
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Asked her out. Got a date for tomorrow. Awesome! Glad to know it worked out. Your text game needs some work, you are beating around the bush too much. You should have asked her out after the "next batch" comment. Strike while the iron is hot. Don't ask girls questions like "why are you vegan" over text. Also, this may seem minor, but don't send frowny faces to girls, they evoke negative emotions.
/r/seduction23/11/10 07:07 PM
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Sex on the second date: she told me (when we were both pretty wasted) she's only slept with two other guys. So this is probably something she's not used to. I've slept with girls the night I met them who later told me (I believe truthfully) they had never done that and/or had only been with 2-3 guys before. Just change your mindset to: this girl has never met a guy as cool and in control as you are. intjpua is spot-on with the fact that you're being way too needy. Follow his advice. I don't keep…
/r/seduction23/11/10 07:03 PM
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I had decent success with women before I started getting into the PUA techniques. I had 3 LTR's that each lasted 2+ years, with girls who were all really cool and really attractive. But I met all three of them through work or work parties. I could pretty easily build rapport with people I had previously been introduced to, but I was hopeless at meeting people outside of the work or friend environment. My pool of single friends has rapidly dwindled as I've gotten into my 30's and everyone is gett…
/r/seduction23/11/10 06:51 PM
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This sounds like your main issue. You need to convey confidence and sexuality in your body language. Don't fidget. And be aware of what your arms are doing. You need to work in a lot of kino, it's the most effective "flirting" technique.
/r/seduction23/11/10 06:40 PM
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I think you need to provide some actual FR's or at least examples of what is going wrong. If you're reading the material, but still "scaring away women", you may just be making some basic mistakes. It's also possible that you just aren't that good at conversations yet. It took me literally a couple years of talking to everyone around me before I became really good at opening strangers.
/r/seduction23/11/10 06:38 PM
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I agree, it is odd. To me I actually think she's just a little naive, but does want to see you again. If I were you, I'd go for it. You should be able to tell on that date if you're already friendzoned. There is definitely a possibility that she is an attention seeker, but I'm not as sure about that as some other commenters here. I think you've got a shot but you need to make it happen pretty soon.
/r/seduction23/11/10 06:35 PM
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Yeah as discussed elsewhere, I don't think developing "phone game" is necessary. I never call girls, I only text, and I have great results.
/r/seduction23/11/10 06:33 PM
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If you're doing it right, texting does not lead to a higher flake rate. It's led to a lower flake rate for me. I never call girls, ever. I have a near-zero flake rate. I'm exclusively texting them, just to set up dates. I deal with women in the 25-35yo age range. I am extremely confident in my live game. So anyway, this is one of the ongoing debates on Seddit, and people are on both sides of it. I vastly prefer text, but I don't think people who call their ladies are idiots, it's just what works…
/r/seduction23/11/10 06:31 PM
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Yeah, some guys prefer that method. I don't like it because it's too passive for my style. YMMV.
/r/seduction23/11/10 06:27 PM
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Doesn't have to be a bar, just be direct and tell her what you want her to do. "Hey come meet me at [coffeeshop] tomorrow at [8]!" works just as fine. Take the harsh advice and follow it :) Harsh advice on Seddit usually means you are far off the optimum path to maximize your chances with women, and we're trying to help while giving you a splash of cold water to the face to snap you out of AFCdom.
/r/seduction22/11/10 10:54 PM
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Not necessarily. Women flake frequently, often because they're not interested, but sometimes for other reasons. OP didn't explain how he met the girl or what level of attraction has been built, so it's hard to tell. If he fixes the problems with his text game I think he can get this one out to a date.
/r/seduction22/11/10 10:49 PM
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You asked for the advice of Seddit. Many of us have tons of experience texting and attracting women. While your outcome may have been OK (it's too early to tell, BTW), the text itself was bad for many textbook reasons covered in Seddit. For many, many women, just that text alone would have been enough to kill her attraction for you. Anyway, forget about defending your text because nobody here is likely to think that it was the right thing to do. But be more alpha moving forward. Follow the advic…
/r/seduction22/11/10 10:47 PM
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How many days out is ----day? I would definitely NOT text her until the day after that day at least. She may text you before then, which would be a good outcome. But assuming she does not, say something like "hey how's your week going? come meet me for a drink tomorrow at [bar] at [8]!" Don't try to schedule dates same day. I always schedule 1 or 2 days in advance, it reduces the possibility of flaking or them having plans already. Most girls are weird about same-day plans until you know them we…
/r/seduction22/11/10 09:42 PM
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Read all the sidebar material -->
/r/seduction22/11/10 09:26 PM
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Everything I know about girls tells me I'm getting the why is he texting me abrupt treatment, probably followed by the lol no I'm not doing that but I totally am cover-up. I could do the be cool reponse or the guilt one, but I really just want to send an I'm confused or if I could make some damn puppy eyes and send thatmaybe I'd have better luck. Werd? Ur busy? Dats cool. Wait you literally sent that as a text message to her? If so, that is a very bad text. Sounds desperate, confused, needy, sem…
/r/seduction22/11/10 09:16 PM
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Up to you. Hasn't happened to me for years, I would probably eject unless I wanted her to be my LTR and was worth it (hard to imagine).
/r/seduction22/11/10 08:32 PM
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Have you read the sidebar material? Start there. --->
/r/seduction22/11/10 08:25 PM
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That book has some OK ideas in it, but very few of them I could find applicable to seduction. Some of them like vulnerability can be attraction killers early on. On the other hand, it does cover lots of good concepts if you want to understand yet another perspective on how love is built, since "clicking" and "falling in love with" have a lot in common.
/r/seduction22/11/10 08:24 PM
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I feel like I'm channeling r/RelationshipAdvice here, but you need to just talk to her about it. Tell her "let's have sex" and then discuss her reaction. Maybe she's a virgin, maybe she's an abstainer, or maybe she just wants to get to know you more. If you have great chemistry, that discussion should be really straightforward.
/r/seduction22/11/10 08:20 PM
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Forget about what happened on the last date. If you mention it, you'll sound like a raving AFC. If she happens to mention it, just shrug it off. Run normal game, make sure you are escalating kino and watching for her reciprocation. It's possible she's not that interested but you can't really tell until you start the kino. Try to take her to a date that is better than a basketball game for building attraction -- a chill bar is my general favorite choice. Do not ever mention your attraction for a …
/r/seduction22/11/10 08:13 PM
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This is only something females can get away with, I promise you. Even simply telling a woman "I'm bored" is a statement that kills attraction subconsciously for most women. The tips you find here sometimes feel like a superficial game, but remember that you apply them like a framework around building real relationships. There are unfortunately many ingrained habits and prejudices that girls & guys have in dating, and if you're aware of those and adapt your behavior to them, you will simply get m…
/r/seduction22/11/10 08:03 PM
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I'm a big proponent of the idea that it's difficult to impossible to build real attraction over phone/text. I don't think it would help you here. You should text her immediately and simply ask her out. Follow the plentiful texting advice here: send her something short like "how was the rest of your shift? come out and grab a drink with me at [bar] tomorrow at [8]!" She gave you her number, there's a good chance she'll come out even if there wasn't much attraction. Then just work your normal magi…
/r/seduction22/11/10 07:59 PM
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since we were both drunk I told her that I was going to date her next term. She said "we'll see" but I told her it wasn't a question, and that I was "just going to do it." She laughed, and seemed receptive to the idea. This is a very dicey thing to say. If you pulled it off as a semi-joke and got her to laugh, it's probably OK, but it's dangerously close to proclaiming your love for her. It's also not generally well-regarded on Seddit to label your relationships with women as "dating", "girlfrie…
/r/seduction22/11/10 07:55 PM
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Gotcha. I'm all about the sideways bar opening. I never approach girls at the bar from behind unless there's a line. Even then I prefer to open the people standing behind me since they're already looking my way.
/r/seduction22/11/10 07:45 PM
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First off, you sound really disinterested in her. This alone may be your problem, women are better than men at sniffing that out. There's no way I would be wasting so much time on a girl I don't care about. Second off, if I get the cheek on a first date when I'm sure it was warranted, I immediately eject. If the girl won't kiss me when there is plain attraction, something else is usually wrong. Last girl that happened with, turned out she was extremely recently divorced and evidently not really …
/r/seduction22/11/10 07:42 PM
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I don't see the point of this... she came to me in the first place, I basically did nothing towards her. That is not the same as building attraction. Once she comes into your "orbit", you need to build rapport and escalate kino. Just because you think she's a sure thing does not mean she is.
/r/seduction22/11/10 07:38 PM
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You haven't provided a lot of detail, but if the choice is to take 4 girls and 4 guys back to my place, or 1 girl, I'll pick whichever option has the target I prefer. If I'm indifferent or it's a close call, I'll always go for the party option. The party option for me doesn't have as high a success rate (due to girly group dynamics - most girls don't like looking more slutty than their friends in front of their friends), but it makes up for it in fun quotient. If you wanted to go for the 1 girl …
/r/seduction22/11/10 07:35 PM
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There's a huge difference between being alpha and being a dick. It also sounds like you're taking a tack that is not congruent with who you really are. Don't insult people. I deliver teases very regularly but I'm super playful about it and I never get girls pissed at me. "You're so quiet, I'm getting bored" is not going to help you in any way, don't say things like that unless it's obviously lighthearted teasing.
/r/seduction22/11/10 08:15 AM
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Following the advice contained in this post completely cured me of AA, and greatly improved my life. It takes a lot of practice but it will make a huge difference.
/r/seduction22/11/10 07:48 AM
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Do you have any idea what you're doing wrong? Because you're doing something really wrong if women get pissed at you. Can you give more specific examples of "the shit hits the fan"? There's not really enough info here to figure it out, but my guesses at most probable would be: escalating kino too fast without building comfort. You say "they return the kino" but if they are truly reciprocating you should be able to get them into the sack pretty easily. not truly connecting with them. You may be c…
/r/seduction22/11/10 07:45 AM
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What do you find tricky? I actually find it really easy to open 2-sets of girls at the bar. I talk to pretty much everyone who is adjacent to me at the bar, and it's often a 2- or 3-set. I just say "how's it going" and sometimes comment on the bartender being slow, or the bar being busy/empty etc. You're all at the bar together, they never are defensive. Then when you get your drinks, you're often walking back to a different area of the bar together, it's an opportunity to continue the conversat…
/r/seduction22/11/10 06:48 AM
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Good post. I'm obviously not in favor of using Facebook to get girls, but your techniques are well thought out and would probably work for guys who want to apply them. The only technique I question is doing a "group first date", but that may be an OK strategy if you have very minimal attraction built with the girl.
/r/seduction22/11/10 06:43 AM
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I find day game to be much harder and more awkward than meeting people in bars, and haven't seen much evidence to the contrary. There certainly are very few FR's on Seddit about successful day pickups. I've found that women are actually much more defensive because it's so odd in the US to strike up a conversation in an essentially non-social setting like a mall, etc - they think you are either a weirdo or are trying to pick them up. Sure skilled PUA guys can pick up women in any setting, but at …
/r/seduction22/11/10 06:31 AM
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When I see a mixed group that I want to talk to, esp if I think there may be some defender/cockblocker guys in the group, I always start by opening the guys first. I introduce myself to them, and act like I don't even care about the women. If you make the guys your friends, they won't cockblock you. If you're doing it right, you'll never seem like you're there just to hit on the women, you'll just be the interesting guy that everyone wants to talk to. Then you interest and isolate your target. I…
/r/seduction22/11/10 06:18 AM
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My results I posted from my summer of pickup summarize it best. My game is very oriented towards social environments that involve alcohol. I like bars and parties because people there are very open to meeting new people, women often have an expectation of meeting guys for dating purposes, and it's a normal/expected outcome to exchange numbers. Also women are much more open to sexual innuendo/advances after the sun goes down. I'm not saying you shouldn't try venues "where girls are doing a certai…
/r/seduction22/11/10 06:07 AM
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Yeah I can see that. I'm in my 30's and people around me don't say it much. My point was more that using a canned line, even one like that which is so well-known and overused, is legitimate practice for comedic timing. You can say "that's what she said" and have everyone on the floor if the opportunity and timing is good, or you can have crickets/groans/punches.
/r/seduction22/11/10 05:33 AM
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Be aware that if you post to other subs with an account that you use for r/seduction, you will regularly get flamed to high heaven by the many PUA-haters out there even if your post has nothing to do with PUA stuff. I use different accounts for different subs to prevent this type of history trolling. I've taken to not doing anything to draw attention on Reddit to r/seduction. A lot of people hate/misunderstand "the community", and I personally don't want those people to start spending time here.
/r/seduction22/11/10 05:29 AM
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Forget dinner dates, for reasons well-covered in many other Seddit posts. That said, almost all of my first dates are Sunday/Monday/Tuesday because I tend to meet most of my women on Thurs/Fri/Sat and like to go straight to date 1 within about 3 days of meeting her. It's not a problem for most women if they are free. Even women who have to wake up really early will go out with me. It can mess up a potential f-close if she is stressed about sleeping, but you can work around that.
/r/seduction22/11/10 05:22 AM
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Girls only say this when they don't want to give you their number. That said, I've generally switched to a different tactic (I think from Seddit) for getting numbers. Instead of asking, I say "hey I have to run but it's been great talking to you." ("yeah me too!" or nods) then I say "we should talk again some time soon" (she agrees) then I say "how can we make that happen?" and she gives me her number. It sounds weird, but it works great for me.
/r/seduction22/11/10 05:17 AM
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that is an awesome date story, it got a laugh out of me. classic.
/r/seduction22/11/10 05:13 AM
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Most clubs have an area that is quieter, like an outside bar or patio, etc. Just say "come outside with me" after you've established a teeny bit of attraction. Tell her you want to talk to her but it's too loud. This is one of the reasons I avoid really noisy clubs; I like talking to people, and it's hard to do that at most big clubs. I go to chill bars where you can comfortably talk pretty much anywhere.
/r/seduction22/11/10 05:04 AM
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Find some friends who are good wings? There must be some ex-pats or some people who aren't as crazy as your current friends. I sometimes go out with guys who aren't like that, but are basically toxic to a pickup situation - really bad at talking to women, slightly creepy, etc. When I go out with them and want to pick up, I just tell them I'm going to go talk to girl X and do NOT under any circumstances come up to me. Real friends follow this.
/r/seduction22/11/10 04:58 AM
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Good post with good advice. Only line I take issue with is this: In fact, you're probably better off sarging at some place where girls are doing a certain activity they love, than in a bar. Without a firm example that has worked for you, I have to say that this is not at all my experience. I think bars are, by far, the best place to pick up.
/r/seduction22/11/10 04:55 AM
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I have numerous nicknames that my friends use for me, but I introduce myself to girls with my real name. When my friends come up to me and use one of my nicknames, it usually leads to a discussion and a bunch of funny stories, and I think the girls seeing my friends use it is a kind of DHV.
/r/seduction22/11/10 04:53 AM
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Don't stick your dick in crazy. intjpua is probably right about her sexual side, but in my book, a girl who ends the night with refusing to kiss, saying "fuck you" and then calls you 5 minutes later is crazy. I'm surprised you even stayed as long as you did, and went for the kiss.
/r/seduction22/11/10 04:49 AM
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My personal ethics are mostly to treat other people as I would want/expect to be treated. I explicitly don't go after girls with actual boyfriends, but it's not part of some guy code, it's because I don't want to associate with girls who think cheating is cool.
/r/seduction22/11/10 04:44 AM
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Nice FR and congrats on the progress. One thing I would suggest from this FR - although it obviously went well, I think your opening move was a little bit try-hard. You offered a drink to a girl you hadn't really met, and then made her 2 drinks. When I see a girl standing around looking bored or thirsty, I usually open her with something more like saying "why so serious?", "i'm wondering if you're just bored, or if you're actually boring", "you look like a shot would improve your night", etc. An…
/r/seduction22/11/10 04:35 AM
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First, Mouthpiece's advice on how to handle the bumping to each other issue is good advice. That said, it sounds like you do want general advice on how to drop a girl. If I've only seen a girl a few times, especially if we haven't slept together, I usually just stop texting her. I used to feel bad about this but it is the MO of like 90% of women when they don't want to see you anymore. If we've been seeing each other more, but not much more, maybe we slept together a few times, I'll just text he…
/r/seduction22/11/10 04:26 AM
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I was shown an exercise by a standup comedian that helped me to hone my joke-cracking skills. You grab a newspaper (or go to like washingtonpost.com), read a headline, then try to come up with a jokey subtitle for it as soon as possible. If you practice this regularly, it will improve your ability to come up with well-timed responses to what people say. Also, I know it's overused, but even practicing when to throw in "that's what she said" in the funniest way possible is decent practice in comed…
/r/seduction22/11/10 04:19 AM
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The best type of flirting is kino. If you're doing it right you can be talking about just about anything and still be making great progress. Keep the conversation light and fun, positive, and work in a bunch of little teasing. When opportunities arise, I make suggestive jokes and comments, but it's rarely the type of direct "flirting" you see portrayed in TV and movies. Being the life of the group, teasing with push/pull, and getting her interest while escalating kino is more effective for me th…
/r/seduction22/11/10 04:14 AM
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Well yeah, if things are going well and she is reciprocating your kino, you can do a lot more than kiss her on a date of course. If you can understand and follow the escalation ladder (while reading her responses and making sure you're doing it appropriately) it will really help your game.
/r/seduction22/11/10 04:08 AM
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Don't knock these until you've tried them. One similar thing I like to do the first time I get to a girl's place is to sneak into her bedroom when she's in the bathroom, and take a pair of her panties. Then I go to the bathroom and put them on. When we finally get to sexy time and she sees I'm wearing her underwear, she cracks up. It helps to break the tension and she usually is laughing so hard she doesn't notice my hideously deformed genitalia.
/r/seduction20/11/10 12:31 AM
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I've done it before, but the success rate goes way down if you've been around a girl for weeks before asking her out. Try paying attention to whether she starts reciprocating your kino, girls will typically reciprocate almost immediately if they're interested. If this one doesn't work out, don't worry about it, you learned something and there are tons of girls out there.
/r/seduction19/11/10 11:43 PM
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If you haven't been on a single date with a girl, and she is using you as a venting board, you are almost always dead in the water. It's just how it is.
/r/seduction19/11/10 11:21 PM
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Just anything embarrassing, obviously. Make sure your kitchen, bathroom and bedroom are nice and clean too.
/r/seduction19/11/10 11:18 PM
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You'll never know if you don't ask her out. But yes, in general, the faster you move with a girl, the easier it is to build and keep her interest. Ideally you want to go from meeting her to getting her number to going out with her to sex within a week or two. If I were you, I'd wait until I get a chance to talk to her next, either next to her in class or after class. Definitely work some kino in, then just casually ask her to do something fun with you.
/r/seduction19/11/10 11:17 PM
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Not a move I would ever use. Definitely seems try-hard to me, and if you're teaching her guitar, it's going to be harder to build rapport. Sure you can get some kino, but unless you're really smooth it could seem laughable. I don't like it, but YMMV.
/r/seduction19/11/10 11:13 PM
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Quickly licking her on the cheek when you're standing in line somewhere. You can even say 'you're it' and make a game out of it if she responds positively. Making me laugh out loud gets you an upvote for this post instead of a downvote :) Maybe we should start a r/ShittyAdvice verson of Seddit. Take her bra off slowly with a bowie knife. She'll remember it. FTFY. When she stays the night, offer her a toothbrush in the morning. Make sure it's a highly used child's Spongebob toothbrush. Tell her "…
/r/seduction19/11/10 11:08 PM
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This exercise is the best advice to practice kino. If you're sitting next to someone in class, a good way to initiate is that when you have something to say to them, you lean closer in to them, and casually touch their arm, and say it in a lower-than-normal voice. If the girl is responding, you can ramp this casual touch up by keeping your hand on her arm while you talk. As for dates, I vastly prefer night dates. Most women greatly prefer to make out / do sexy time after dark. I don't like your …
/r/seduction19/11/10 10:54 PM
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Read up on the kino escalation ladder. And then just go for it, escalate kino rapidly. You should always be able to kiss a girl on the first date unless she's just not interested.
/r/seduction19/11/10 10:48 PM
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This. Seddit convinced me this was good advice. I love to cook but usually saved cooking for much later in a relationship. Now I've done a couple "cook with me" dates and they are awesome. Make sure you read up on the kino escalation ladder. Escalate kino immediately, use the proximity of the kitchen as an enabler to touch her etc. She's in your apartment, you've already made out, sex should be basically a given if she's looking for it. I guess most normal people would say she's out of my league…
/r/seduction19/11/10 10:46 PM
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If you word it correctly, it should be clear to her that it's just the two of you. I say "come with me" or "meet me at [blah]", I don't say "come along" as that implies joining a group. In the rare cases where the girl says "who else is coming", I say something like "this awesome dude named cheddarchexmix and this girl named blah who I'm not so sure about yet." I never do group first dates, it's just not my scene.
/r/seduction19/11/10 10:40 PM
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The "propose highly elaborate future date, then go on a normal cheap first date" tactic seems like it could work in the online game. But it also seems fraught with risk. seems like you could easily spook a girl if you propose something like "let's drive to PA and I'll teach you paintball" and you haven't even met her. the "hey I got free tickets to SNL on Dec 11" slant seems safer, but it's also basically offering a gift to someone you haven't even met, which is proven to hurt attraction. I have…
/r/seduction19/11/10 10:36 PM
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Yeah, probably, but you didn't include info that's important like how you met her, how you got her number, how long you've known her, etc. If you have gotten into a lot of long texting smalltalk with her and if you are available to her whenever she texts you, you may have inadvertently decreased her interest. Ask her out as soon as possible if you are interested in her and think you have built enough attraction for her to agree to it.
/r/seduction19/11/10 10:23 PM
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she's so hot that she's out of my traditional "league" anyway so I couldn't really blame her for saying no. Girls don't say no because they're too hot for you, they say no because you haven't attracted them enough, or they are legitimately not interested in the goods you are selling (i.e. you). From what you've said, it seems like things are going OK. When you're sitting next to her or talking with her, make sure you are escalating kino -- touch her arm/back when you make a point, playfully push…
/r/seduction19/11/10 10:21 PM
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Not enough info to make an assessment. Obviously it's not an IOD. If you are interested in her, just bite the bullet and ask her out to something casual like grabbing a drink. It's very hard to build attraction if you don't hang out with her in the real world.
/r/seduction19/11/10 10:05 PM
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The good news is that once you've slept with a girl, it takes a lot more than some bad dancing to make her lose interest. Just stay confident, don't justify yourself to her (or anyone).
/r/seduction19/11/10 09:55 PM
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Dude if you suck at dancing, then you should avoid it all costs. Or practice and get better. Your texts are terrible ideas. You're showing bigtime weakness and making excuses. If I were you, I would not talk about dancing at all. Just ask her out again. You've slept with her, so it's very doubtful she will stop seeing you because you are not a good dancer. If she brings it up, just laugh it off and tell her you had fun. I'm not a good dancer, but I make up for it by putting on a ridiculous show …
/r/seduction19/11/10 09:46 PM
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Be careful, lines like that can work in real life but can very easily be construed as creepy over email/FB/text. I would simply ignore the friendship comment, it's not much of a shit test in my opinion. I would forget messaging her more, just go on your date and run your best game. It's easy to seem too available/needy if you message a girl a whole lot before you've even been on a date. I try to do zero small talk on text from the time I meet a girl to our first date (usually three days or less)…
/r/seduction19/11/10 09:40 PM
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She's with another guy, probably sexing him up. Do you care about that? If so, you need to jettison her. If you don't, you could text her something like "haha well thanks for the concern but what you do with your time is your business. come out with me on [day]!" It sounds like she thinks she needs to make a choice. You'll just have to have "the talk" with her next time you see her and explain that you don't care about exclusivity (if you don't).
/r/seduction19/11/10 07:48 PM
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you can approach a girl thinking that she has nothing to offer you. This type of mindset (not caring about outcomes) definitely will help with your approaches. I got really good at talking to random people when I was in a LTR and was just looking to meet more interesting people, I was not looking to pick up at all. That said, the feelings you mention about this girl are going to mess with your mindset with girls (and life in general). You need to legitimately get over this girl. Just picking up …
/r/seduction19/11/10 06:29 PM
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I hate it when that happens. I've cut back on heavy drinking since I got better game, I can just have a better time without getting hammered. Your best option would be to wait until you see her again if you think you can see her in the next week or so, then talk to her. It's fine to tell her that you were drunk, just play it off, have a laugh and then run your normal game and get her number or better. If you have mutual friends, try to use them to get to meet her as soon as possible. I would not…
/r/seduction19/11/10 06:23 PM
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Write it on a bathroom stall. Within 24 (48 max) hours of meeting a girl and getting her number, you should text her something like "enjoying the week? come grab a drink with me tomorrow at [bar] at [8]!" Obviously if she's under 21 you'll have to find a more appropriate plan. My advice for girls you made out with already: on your first date, don't kiss her, this will keep the sexual tension high. Hug her when you see her. Escalate tons of kino, but don't kiss her unless she goes for it first. G…
/r/seduction19/11/10 05:43 PM
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The Game is not a great pickup manual, IMO. Honestly I think you'll learn way more by spending a couple hours reading the top posts from Seddit. The Game has a number of flaws: the guys in the book are heavily oriented towards speed-closing model type girls in meat markety places. it massively overhypes the value of negs and peacocking. it emphasizes canned material and cheesy routines over natural game. That said, there are a number of concepts in there that are very important. But you can get …
/r/seduction19/11/10 05:37 PM
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Group dates are not my scene, but your text is fine. Your "pick up your crap" text is going to leave her with the only viable response option to play along, so your conversation will just be BS about breaking up and won't go anywhere. If you want to do a callback, you could text her something like "hey there it's your favorite ex husband :) we're going to [club] tomorrow, meet us there at 12." (Don't do this if she actually has an ex-husband :) I just don't like taking jokes like this further th…
/r/seduction19/11/10 05:32 PM
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Just talk to her!!
/r/seduction19/11/10 05:26 PM
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You just need practice talking to people more. I used to feel a similar way - found stuff that people "shot the shit" about incredibly boring and stupid - but I've now found that I enjoy it because I've done it so much, and have gotten good at steering conversations to the types of things that do interest me. This advice is what I basically follow. Practice every day and you'll get there. Try to find how to talk to people like cab drivers and cashiers about things that do interest you. One of my…
/r/seduction19/11/10 05:21 PM
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"You're more of a YouPorn fan, eh? That's cool, I don't judge" That's a very solid response.
/r/seduction19/11/10 05:17 PM
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Good post, well-written. I also give people the advice to always be positive in addition to passionate, a lot of guys are too negative when talking to women, it's a big turnoff.
/r/seduction19/11/10 05:12 PM
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What did you do that pissed her off so much? The other advice here is good, your plan is pretty much guaranteed to fail. Not sure if it's recoverable at all, she pretty much broke it off with you.
/r/seduction19/11/10 04:57 PM
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Planning on texting her later today with "....so can you let me know when you're gonna come by and pick up your crap?" and seeing where it goes. Thoughts? The mock breakup thing is good, but I don't like taking those things too far beyond the day/night I used it. If it was me, I would just use my normal tactic of texting her "hey come meet me for a drink tomorrow at [bar] at 8!" As for the necklace thing, sure your response wasn't perfect, but I think you messed it up for yourself by thinking ab…
/r/seduction19/11/10 04:52 PM
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Well then whatever works for you. If you're not even getting a response to "how's it going" you are doing something horribly wrong, or there is something wrong with your looks or body language. Or maybe going after super hot-bitchy women in meat markety environments.
/r/seduction19/11/10 04:38 PM
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Sure, that was my point. If the places are normal places for the girl, she may not see it as a lot of money. That said, I would definitely avoid pricey dinners for your first several dates, even if she is used to those kinds of places. It's pretty easy to lose attraction by buying a girl nice things early on.
/r/seduction19/11/10 04:32 PM
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You bought her tickets to Jerry Seinfeld on a "non-date" night. I'm assuming these aren't $10 tickets, right? That's a big unsolicited gift. Big unsolicited gifts (or expensive dinners, etc) for girls you haven't slept with is a subconscious turnoff for all women. As is planning out an elaborate night. I never even go places that require reservations for a first date. Plus you're just going to be sitting there for 2 hours, not talking much. So it's also a bad idea for the same reason that going …
/r/seduction19/11/10 04:24 PM
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When I don't get a reply from a girl for an unreasonable amount of time (say a day), I never acknowledge it. It makes you seem needy. Your comment was fine but personally I just pretend like it never happened. Don't ever send texts like "are you alive?" or "did you get my txt?". As for speeding it up, yes, you should have kissed her when she was at your place with you. You're going way slow even for a virgin. The good news is that you're probably still OK. But girls - even virgins - don't like i…
/r/seduction19/11/10 02:20 AM
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If you spend a lot of money on a girl before she's slept with you, she will lose respect for you. It's well documented. But if the girl is upscale and the places you are going are "normal" for her, she may not perceive it that way. You should definitely adjust based on her lifestyle. Personally I love divey bars and my ladies generally do too, so it's the best of both worlds.
/r/seduction19/11/10 02:16 AM
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Openers are pretty much irrelevant for getting women. Try just saying "hi" or "what's up". Focus on keeping the girls interested and sustaining a good conversation. If you're getting 1 number in 8 approaches you have a long way to go in being a good conversationalist. These openers are corny and could be hurting you.
/r/seduction19/11/10 02:00 AM
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Don't friend girls you're interested in.
/r/seduction18/11/10 11:53 PM
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Stop focusing on outcomes. Go out to have a good time. Be social and talk to everyone around you, not just women. When you open women, do it to have a good time, not to pick up. I personally hate clubs for pickup, I find them too loud and meat-markety and the girls have max bitch shield on. I prefer chill bars with outdoor seating, but that's just my preference.
/r/seduction18/11/10 11:16 PM
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I think you're referring to this comment?
/r/seduction18/11/10 11:13 PM
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No, go straight to the reschedule. If she just says "I can't tonight", say "what about [day 2 days after today]?" If she says "ooh not tonight but I can tomorrow", say "I've got plans tomorrow night, what about [day after tomorrow]?"
/r/seduction18/11/10 11:07 PM
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If you don't know her at all, getting her out right after her shift is the best bet. If you want to do a date on a different night, you'll have to build attraction and rapport first. Take a nap if 10pm is really too late for you?
/r/seduction18/11/10 10:06 PM
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Yeah I am thinking about it and really think that's mostly what "the chase" is about for women. It's starting to make a bunch of the female behaviors seem much more logical! I may write up something about this if I think it's post-worthy.
/r/seduction18/11/10 10:01 PM
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You don't build attraction over text. Use text only to set up dates with her or respond to her smalltalk. Then when you have her in person, run good game, ask lots of questions, and escalate kino (if she's receptive).
/r/seduction18/11/10 09:57 PM
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I am no online dating expert, but if I were you, I'd send a short reply (maybe 4 sentences) with some real stuff about you, but slightly witty and interesting, and end it with a question. Don't ask her out again, save it for after her response.
/r/seduction18/11/10 09:55 PM
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I think they look ridiculous and completely unattractive. Not a total showstopper, but probably same level of unattractiveness as extremely bad hair or a flat chest. Most of the girls I know find them very unattractive, unless they're heavily into body mods themselves. (For reference, I live in Austin and gauges are pretty common here.)
/r/seduction18/11/10 09:52 PM
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TIL that I don't want to hook up with a girl with ear gauges.
/r/seduction18/11/10 09:49 PM
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This is good advice (except for 7-11, that's a terrible first date place :). Do this.
/r/seduction18/11/10 09:46 PM
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Here is some advice, don't waste time with girls in nursing school. I dated one girl from nursing school and it was terrible. I also dated one girl from the US and it was terrible, so you should probably stick to girls from Canada or somewhere.
/r/seduction18/11/10 09:45 PM
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Dude you need to follow advice better. Your profile sucks, hard. Change all your photos. You can have the topless one in there, but don't make it your default one. You need better headshots. The one of you holding the placard is terrible because of what the placard says, remove it. You must add photos of you having good times with friends, especially if those friends happen to be female and/or whitey. Rewrite everything you've written to be less douchey. It's good to exude confidence, but you've…
/r/seduction18/11/10 09:42 PM
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100% agree. I can't stand girls who grew up in super-wealthy, super-sheltered suburban neighborhoods (especially around Dallas).
/r/seduction18/11/10 09:34 PM
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This is great advice.
/r/seduction18/11/10 09:31 PM
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Well I said it on your last post, but this chick is sounding less and less worth it. That said, I suppose it is possible you could still hook up with her. But your date night plans are terrible. You must cancel your plans to see Jerry Seinfeld. Sell the tickets. Whatever. Taking her to a show like that on your first "non-date" is suicide. Seriously. If I were you I would also nix the dinner reservations. Take her to a hole in the wall if anything. Trashy bars. Late night pizza, etc. You should b…
/r/seduction18/11/10 09:28 PM
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I never reschedule or cancel, with friends or dates. All it does is make you look bad.
/r/seduction18/11/10 09:19 PM
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I cast my spell of Attraction Bolt at the elf!
/r/seduction18/11/10 09:12 PM
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Totally agree. One of the best things I've taken away from the "Talk to Everyone" philosophy I've been following is that I can now have an interesting conversation with (almost) anyone. I work with a few really boring people but find I'm one of the few people in the office who can actually have a decent conversation with them. Creating interesting conversations is a very good skill to possess.
/r/seduction18/11/10 09:07 PM
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Sure women want to know... but them trying to figure out how you feel is a huge part of the chase for women. I think that's why push/pull and negs can be so effective, they make it less clear that you're genuinely interested, so the woman feels compelled to find out by putting herself out there more. It's also why telling a woman how you feel kills the thing for her. I hadn't really thought about this before. It needs more baking but I'm now pretty sure this is the major motivator for women in t…
/r/seduction18/11/10 09:03 PM
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I think this is your best option. I would say "hey are you new here? I'm cheddar." (she says blahblah) "hey we should hang out after work, it's always good to make a new friend in here. what time do you get off?" (10) "cool, meet me at xxx."
/r/seduction18/11/10 08:58 PM
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Please write a FR about using these lines!!
/r/seduction18/11/10 08:52 PM
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Haha I actually think Mitch has better game than 99% of Sedditors. People can learn from both of them. Cajun is a little cheesier than I like to go, but damn he's good.
/r/seduction18/11/10 08:51 PM
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I used to just ask for numbers, like "hey give me your number!", but I recently changed up my methods after reading this on Seddit or similar. Now, I say "hey I really enjoyed talking to you" (wait for her to say "me too" or similar) "we should do it again some time" (pause for her to say "yeah" or nod head) "how can we make that happen?" (she gives me her number) It seems to work better than just asking for her number because it's "her idea" to give me her number. It has yet to fail.
/r/seduction18/11/10 08:25 PM
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I would have!
/r/seduction18/11/10 08:21 PM
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Just ask her out and work your magic IRL.
/r/seduction18/11/10 08:18 PM
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Too late, you can't de-friend someone without them being pissed at you.
/r/seduction18/11/10 08:18 PM
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Congrats on your first approach! From the sounds of it you're going to get really good at meeting people in no time. I don't think you did anything wrong here (other than creeping on a high school girl :) If that girl was your age I pretty much guarantee you would have gotten her number. The content of your conversations is much less important than the fact that you keep her entertained and laughing, and that you escalate kino. Obviously here your goal was not getting her number, so not doing a …
/r/seduction18/11/10 12:32 AM
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Yeah, that's probably a situation where you probably have to accept it. If you've already developed decent rapport online with her, you could try something like "sure but I'm going to de-friend you in 2 days! get all your cyberstalking out of the way before we meet!" if you think she would respond well to that.
/r/seduction17/11/10 11:14 PM
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Worth noting that I don't call girls ever. At all. Unless we have been dating for a while and I need to ask her things that would be less efficient over text. Prior to that, all my meets are set up over text, and I don't do much smalltalk over text at all. My success rate has gone way up since using this tactic.
/r/seduction17/11/10 11:03 PM
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Yeah man, you don't need Seddit, you need to build your self-esteem. Maybe try seeing a counselor, or checking out some books like this.
/r/seduction17/11/10 10:58 PM
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Um yeah make sure you delete the original post. I would just wait until about halfway into the date, assuming things are going really well. I had this happen recently, a girl sent me a very odd late night text, and I was going to see her the next night, so didn't respond. I asked her about it about an hour into the date and we had a good laugh about it. Opening with it would seem a little odd.
/r/seduction17/11/10 10:43 PM
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Don't lie about it, just give explanations so obviously ridiculous that the person laughs and moves on. And for now, you should try to stop thinking about the "day you get surgery". If anybody has a problem with how you look, screw them. I've known guys who are hideous and still pull hot girls.
/r/seduction17/11/10 10:39 PM
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Dude I'm sure that you knew you were going to get this advice, but you need to stop thinking about any of your own stuff as shortcomings. I have plenty of physical things that could be improved, but I'm really happy with who I am and any girl who has problems with me can get lost. I actually think facial scars are really cool on guys and girls. One of the hottest girls I know has a scar the whole way across her face. She's really self-conscious about it, tries to cover it up, etc., but I think i…
/r/seduction17/11/10 10:19 PM
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More info please. Or just try "hey how's it going?" instead of some silly canned lines.
/r/seduction17/11/10 09:51 PM
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Your goal should be to maintain her interest, but trying to escalate too much is more likely to lead to disappointment or, worse, loss of attraction. You need to not be totally available and not chatting with her all day every day. Even if the conversations seem like they are going great, being this available can make women subconsciously feel like you are needy and become less attractive. You should try very slowly ramping down the frequency of your interactions and replies. Obviously the fact …
/r/seduction17/11/10 08:54 PM
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Well honestly I haven't tried it in a hardcore fashion for several years. This year I tried OKC for about a month, but just found it a lot more annoying and hit-and-miss than meeting girls IRL. I can go to a bar, find a girl who looks interesting and qualify her on the spot before deciding I want to talk to her more, let alone go on a date with her. I get a lot more from talking to a girl for a few minutes in person (or even just looking at her) than I do from several emails/IMs back and forth, …
/r/seduction17/11/10 08:04 PM
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Nice work. I would definitely get her number on Friday. Just say "hey I'll see you tomorrow. btw what's your number?" There's a 100% chance she'll give it to you. Art museums are a pretty good date, I think that's a fine suggestion. There's tons of good day options in SF, but that should work fine. Just make sure you don't ask her where to go, come up with a plan and tell her that's what you are doing instead. Remember to kino kino kino! Good luck!
/r/seduction17/11/10 07:23 PM
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I definitely recommend not telling anybody you know that you're studying PUA materials. They're too misunderstood, have too much stigma, and will cause certain people (even your friends) to view you in a different, negative light. If you apply the PUA principles correctly, all your friends will notice is that you're more fun and popular than you used to be.
/r/seduction17/11/10 06:46 PM
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Its obvious at some point your going to ask the girl out, and she'll be like "yeah, that why I thought you were talking to me". If you're doing it right, by the time you get her number, she'll be practically forcing it into your phone. If you get a reaction like the above, you missed dozens of indicators of disinterest from her and failed to get her attracted.
/r/seduction17/11/10 06:43 PM
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Yeah, I'll probably do that at some point. I mostly point people to the "Talk to Everyone" advice since I think that would help pretty much everyone, and a lot of the things I did to transform were pretty situational to me. But my story could probably help some people out there.
/r/seduction17/11/10 06:41 PM
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You need to transform it into a real-life relationship. There are somewhat varying opinions, but I'm very much of the mind that it's near impossible to build strong attraction over phone/IM/text. You can build interest but it's nothing close to what you can get from even one hour of talking to a girl face-to-face while you escalate kino. If I were you, I'd shut down the online/text small talk. Seeing her face-to-face is much more powerful. Start asking her out over text, and keep the smalltalk t…
/r/seduction17/11/10 06:36 PM
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