Heyo,

Followup to my last FR, where i f-closed a friend zone (...and then got performance anxiety halfway through the sex.) I've been busy and havent really seen nor made an attempt to get with her aside from some friendly plans in a group, and I'm afraid that the poor hookup means we're not on the way to an FWB thing. Seriously though i havent tried so this could be just insecurity and lack of effort speaking. However, she and another mutual friend (who is close to her, and who I nearly dated once/made out with a couple times) suddenly are inviting me on this vacation and didnt invite anyone else.

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Any fool would think OH SWEET GOING ON VACATION WITH A COUPLE HB-7.5s. IMMINENT THREESOME. But i'm thinking more like wow, this is such an indicator of friend zone. I've been playing along a little, saying im not sure i can come, but i'll try etc etc. One of the girls planning it gchatted me about "oh i hope you can make it...and i hope you dont mind if we all share a bed" and "are you still dating _ your ex _? oh so you're single?" - i know from experience she speaks teasingly a lot, so i didnt chalk it up to much but hey, she was serious about the bed and asked seriously if i were single and I flirted back a little, not about to complain...

But all of a sudden another mutual female friend is joining the trip. Before she could come, i figured "hey, i'll go on this trip and see what happens...long shot threesome?" However with an additional girl on the trip i figure this is a CLEAR indicator of friend-zoning, she has a bf and it changes the dynamic entirely from a long shot threesome to a group of girls and their guy-friend-bitch. Even the bed situation will probably change - we're still sharing a room but itll probably end up as two double beds.

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The question isnt so much if i should go. I probably will, as it's going to be a fun time regardless. It's more "with this kind of gender balance/friend zoning, is it going to be worth my while to try working game on any of them?" and if so, "how can i set the tone/dynamic right from the beginning?" They party a lot/drink/trees/like going out and getting laid, and i've k and f-closed two of them so there's attraction history, but i think my chances were significantly higher when it was an FFM group sharing a bed rather than FFFM and who knows what dynamic kind of trip.

Ideas I have:
* Starting the trip on the right foot by just being in state, setting the tone and keeping it
* A lot of push/pull, including hitting on other girls, asking what the protocol is about bringing girls back to the room
* Using the FFFM setup to my advantage - it means i can isolate one girl while the other pair entertain themselves
* Staying on the good side of the girl that's taken
* Suggesting alternatives to going clubbing...it'll be a real challenge in a big city club trying to stay on top of a social group setup that way, there will be AMOGs aplenty...
* trying to f-close the girl from the original FR again before we go on the trip, to set an expectation for the nature of our relationship

so that it's clear - i'm going. and im gonna work some game, either on them or other girls we meet. the question is: what should I be aware of, try, or avoid gaming within the group with such a skewed gender balance?