How important is "social value"?

brocklanders3791 · 2015-01-22T21:44:12+00:00

Keep working on yourself brother. Negging girls only works out of a confident and abundant mindset which you don't have yet. Generally I wouldn't recommend it anyway. You should learn to attract women, literally, by GIVING them a reason to. Work on your game, relax, read, go to the gym, be social in EVERY situation not just at parties when you want to get laid. Seduction is a "lifestyle". Seriously practice with the girl at McDonald's, the cashier in the department store, flirt with older ladies, even learn to vibe with dudes just b.s.-ing and chill out. Social value comes from INSIDE YOU.

thecountrynamedwhat · 2015-01-23T06:01:17+00:00

How important is "social value"?

Let me put it this way: You're at a bar and 3 people walk in

Your crush from high school- She walks in looking hella fine, unbelievably, even better than she did in school, you instantly recognize her and you're about to build up the courage to go talk to her.... but then
Miranda Kerr - she walks in and you instantly forget all about your HSC and every other girl in a 10 mile radius. Out of nowhere you build up the courage and go and try to strike up a conversation with her, you try and introduce yourself to her and she rejects you (politely, but still a rejection).......... and then

BAMM!!

Justin Timberlake- everybody recognizes him, and all the girls are trying to build up the courage to talk to him. He scans the bar and makes eye contact with you, he comes to sit by you because you guys had some bro time in Guatemala while helping underprivileged kids. You guys shoot the shit but eventually he gets a little too turnt up and decides to go home. You guys hug it out (because you're bros like that) and you're left in the bar alone.

You are now have the highest social value in the bar and can make other people cooler just by talking to them

Social value is the most important part of seduction, it's fueled by all the other stuff people tend to focus on like body language and confidence.

P.S. Also, stop negging, I can guarantee you're doing it wrong and it will come off as you sounding pathetic. Negs should be friendly, the way you tease a close friend when there's no one else around, and it's difficult to pull off properly with someone you just met. All that's gonna happen is you're going to lower your own social value while hurting some poor girl's feelings.

JesusSavesIUpvote · 2015-01-23T03:35:46+00:00

stop with negging. its a toxic impulse to develop and i find myself hurting more than i like because of it. Be happy with yourself, smile, don't be creepy, and challenge yourself. find a good girl and be good and you'll be happy. i wish i knew this before

kikrex · 2015-01-22T23:55:31+00:00

Large friend circles are one source of value, and are weighed more heavily in a woman's calculation of your value than a man's. A person who has large groups of friends has been "vetted" by the group, it indicates that there is value even when she isn't sure what it is yet. It also indicates a bunch of other shit on a subconscious level blah blah cavemen blah blah blah.

In addition, for the most part girls like parties and social events and activities. The more friends you have, the higher your probability of being invited to a sandbar party. Girls love that shit, they like to have fun.

It is something you can work on. Learn how to take an interest in people from a genuine place inside of you. Start with people who are easy to get to now, chit chat with cashiers and service staff and anyone that gets close to you. It takes practice like any skill and in the end is enjoyable. It's hard though, and like a tough knot, it will require you to work on other, seemingly unrelated parts of yourself. In my case I first had to learn how to not be a self-centered prick, which was hard.

If you think you can't do it, read about this woman. the charm hacker

DukeCanada · 2015-01-23T01:50:21+00:00

Honestly, it sounds like you dont value yourself. Ignore everything else and figure out why you like you. All that other stuff comes later.

watchuseek · 2015-01-23T01:57:37+00:00

When you meet a girl, is she really capable of inferring your total value to society?

Absolutely not. At best she puts together a guess.

While social value is very important, I'm not sure that you're measuring it properly. Being a loner in itself doesn't mean that you have low social value. A loner could still be charismatic when he chooses to go out into the world. Or the loner could be a great talent at something socially valuable, like composing or brain surgery or software development.

I wouldn't cling to not having a set of "guys to go out to bars with" as proof of low social value and therefore low attractiveness.

4benny2lava0 · 2015-01-23T02:47:15+00:00

You want social value? Start making the plans and sending the invites. Now you are a leader and you have social value. Eben if this social value doesn't help you, you will meet more women and get invited more places.

MonstarsSuck · 2015-01-23T06:56:57+00:00

As woman age and mature they care less about your "social value". A 21 year old sorority girl is immature and embarassed to be dating some introverted guy, even if she thinks he's good looking. When women finally get past that "cliquey" stage they care a lot less.

suppermick · 2015-01-23T08:19:38+00:00

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rangamatchstick · 2015-01-23T10:27:50+00:00

VERY IMPORTANT, right now im trying to improve my social value at clubs and bars by doing things like talking to everyone (not for too long), being the center of attention, dancing first and showing everyone I am having the most fun before I even start actualy seducing a girl/girls.

2015-01-23T10:39:01+00:00

I think there are certain facets of your persona that attract girls, and different girls require more or less of each. I don't know what they all are, but some of them are,

looks, social value, job, lifestyle, ?? ?? ??

Most girls I've had in the past haven't been the type who absolutely require social value as, well, I've either had almost no friends at the time, or they never saw me with or met any of them even when I had plenty. They were attracted to how I made them feel, rather than how I attracted other people.

But, yes it's mostly pretty important. You can see people's reactions to you change immediately sometimes. You can get completely blown off by someone, then later when they see you making other people laugh or you talking to a girl hotter than them, suddenly they want to be your friend.

It's never to your disadvantage, that much is obvious.

I'm in your position too though. I'm working way too much at the moment (6-7 days per week) simply because the money is so good and I feel like I have to while it lasts, and I live in an area where it's half a day trip to go any further than the supermarket where I could meet anyone who isn't the same boring ethnic group that lives here. So usually I don't get around to it and stay a boring lonely husk.

thehappysoul · 2015-01-22T23:55:29+00:00

You read something in models and start to feel insecure? That is hilarious. Who wrote those models? A human. A Pick up guy who is an extrovert. If you are happy with being an introvert, don't change yourself just because a pickup guy says. And never change yourself just to get some girls. Be who you are and be proud of it. There are plenty of ways of meeting girls even being an introvert. Introvert girls are less likely to cheat and being an introvert yourself, you'd easily create a connection with introvert girls. Another fact, connection between two introvert people is way stronger than two extrovert people.

Title	How important is "social value"?
Author	hateusernames87
Upvotes	16
Comments	23
Date	January 22, 2015 9:08 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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